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So James and Cooter Lets say you get your cars flying and all the stars line up right for you at Indy. On blow up mode you can go 1:21 under for class win. And if the AHFS is in place are you really going to do it just for a class trophy. Really, not me and not very many others. Lets take a look at the 2015 COPO"s that run A/SA and B/SA. These cars in decent air can go 1:40 plus under. If the system works why haven't they got hit at the other 21 National Events. You think anyone would want to ruin their combo for a class trophy and a trip to the barn. BP

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I've spent a ton of money this year Mr Parker and I'm pretty sure I can't get to 1.20 under at Indy in August but if someone is running that fast in those conditions, some with ease I say they need HP. Just like the new cars running in the regular classes this is probably the only race that would help get those cars the hp they need if they want the trophy bad enough.
To answer your question though, with apologies to everyone running my combo, yes I would if that's what it took to win class at Indy I would.

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Technically not COPOs ,but we know the story on most of them.
NHRA wants new cars..Simple as that. They were supposed to go in as natural B cars, but the fine folks at No Hot Rods Allowed graciously put them in C.

Fortunately, there are several of them now, and they'll get theirs at other venues.

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Barry they don’t run class enough and with 55 car fields there not enough competition.
Now if you ran CLASS at divisionals..you would see AHFS work..
The Baby Gator was great. And I don’t want to here about I ain’t going for class cause there’s no money $$$.
Now Barry when I met you all you wanted to do was be the fastest in your class Now with you decided to stay in control of your combo. Sissy boy.
Indy is a lot of fun but with no hamburger for me ..that’s it I ain’t going

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Barry
If i go, do i get a burger ?

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I have yet to be invited for a hamburger!

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To both James and Pete I will gladly give you a hamburger today if you would pay for it tomorrow. How many are old enough to remember that one. I'm going to try to make Atco are either one of you going? BP

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Pete is old enough to have taught him that phrase! :D

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Thank you I waa starting to feel left out! Doesn't look like I will make Atco since my motor is still sitting on the dyno trying to figure how to make the stars line up to make it fast enough for Indy! Hopefully I will make it to Cecil County, would be ashame not to make it back there to defend my win there last year.

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So true Casey enjoy it while you can.

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Wimpy from Popeye said that quote.
You can give my burger to my brother, but i might come up in Sept.
for s/ss race at Atco.

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Topped only by Belushi’s “cheeseburger-cheeseburger-cheeseburger”

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Basically racer X can get in Indy with one grade point, so he or she takes the bogus combo out of the trailer to hit one national open a year then go to indy and qualify at the top. Something about that just seems "unfair?" Sorry I hate to use that word.

That is why I believe Indy is where it is needed the most.

I thought that's what National Opens were for.

Yes, if you think you can actually pull that off. Again proving that is why this system was basically created for this event, one where everyone has to run as fast as they can or are capable of, just to make the field and/or win class.

I have to disagree because I think it is turning this prestigious event into somewhat of a joke.

Yes, I do believe some racers would not care about their combo getting hit to win class at Indy. Especially a bucket list racer like me who may hit that event once or twice in my life. And at national events with only 50 cars it's not likely you will ever have to "turn it up." They are all-run situations so there is no need to go fast to make the field and if there is a heads-up you try to go .99 under for the win. So basically proving my point a third time that this system needs to be in place at Indy, where 30+ cars aren't making the show.

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Ya know kid, yer makin' a lot of sense here. Maybe enough (but I doubt it) to convince these 3 old sages of Stock to change their minds.

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If I'm included here, (don't see why not) I'm not convinced yet. I don't see what it's going to accomplish, besides take all the fun out of Indy too.
It's going to be mineshaft anyway. Maybe 1 or 2 cars could hit the 1.20 under instant hit, in a heavily populated class. That would be fun to watch.
Other than that, what??

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Two problems here.

By bogus combo, I assume you mean it's not a belly button 302 , 305, 350 car.
For the record here, it's hp/weight. You either pick the best one, or follow the leader, and bubble pack your way through Stock Eliminator..Actually the phrase "bogus combo" is kind of insulting.

Next, it takes about 3600 travel miles to get 6 gp's from PHX. You can figure out the entry fees..Or, you can run the local LODRS., get your g.p. , race our local 6 race series for same day cash, save your vacation time, and round trip it to Indy, which is about the same distance as mentioned earlier.
Once at Indy, you get to run against the best, at the most prestigious race on the circuit, for a few bucks of class money. Pick your poison.
Again , I don't see the problem.

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Well for one thing, it would let the AHFS work the way that it should. Otherwise, why don't we just get rid of it. We could go back to the old way of someone behind a desk just throwing 5-10 HP shots at Racers that he don't like! I'd like to see Pat C in charge of that!

You know as well or better than I do how this whole thing is getting manipulated and other than counting all runs, at all events, why have it?

I'd be OK with not counting all races IF we had a different standard for different races. No AHFS for Q at Indy BUT AHFS in affect for ALL of class eliminations at Indy? Class at all Points Races and AHFS in affect? Any heads-up race at any event you go -1.00 you get an instant hit? How about we change the -1.20 to -1.00 for all races but Indy? That would straighten things out in a hurry!

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Mark, don't get into the "bogus combo" B.S.. You of all people should know better than that! Very good "combos" and well thought-out "combos" and undiscovered "combos" aren't the same as "bogus combos" so what are you getting insulted about?

Hey, if you want to NHRA race and don't want to spend the time/money traveling then move to Indiana. "Pick your poison".

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I'm insulted because people use all the aforementioned terms synonymously.

Didn't complain about travel distances. Just trying to put a few things in perspective.

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Exactly Mark, it's going to be mineshaft so it's not going to really effect anyone except the guy who goes 1.20 under trying to win that trophy and if someone can go that fast at Indy that biotch needs hp! Lol
It's the only way I see the current system ever doing anything except the occasional screw up. Now if someone could come up with a better system that actually works that would be nice also.

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INDY stopped being INDY when the heads up winner of class wasn't automaticly qualified for Stock Eliminator.

CLASS WINNERS and the fastest losers made up the 128 car field.

It's a brave new world out there..

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I will never forget the first time at Indy me and the boys are pushing my junk to the line and my lovely Wife totally up biased opinion showed up
Karen asks me what is a Ford escort doing racing in stock
I said honey that’s a fast car on the qualifying sheet
Her response was” That’s not a race car I had one of them new Biggest POS ever!”
Can’t argue that. Not a race car.
If you can go 120 or more under at Indy..YOU NEED THE HP HIT..
Common sense required

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....The way we were...
Can it be that it was all so simple then, or has time rewritten every line...If we had the chance to do it all again, Tell me, would we ? Could we ? MEMORIES.......Bob, many thanks for the trip down memory lane....

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So Billy and Bobby I have that combo that's a joke of a car or truck. I can go 1.80 under. I go to Indy with the AHFS still in place and not many of the real cars that can go say 1.30 under there are going to go that fast to get number 1 because of the even more added hp at the 1.30 under. I go 1.50 get my #1 spot at Indy and have my own ego rubbed. Not by me. Now you get your HP. Yes and next year you do it again but this time because of the HP added you can go only 1.50 under for the # 1 spot. Now you get more HP added and this time it hurts and you can only go 1.20 under. Now you take that combo to a real good stock engine builder and you are back right at 1.50 under again. Systems are built and racers will play the system the best we can. So I'll be at Indy God willing and hope I have more than I did last year. I haven't been out much this year but I have tested and been working on my car. B/SA is loaded with some pretty heavy hitters. So load up your cars come to Indy and find out if you can run with the big dogs or if you should have stayed on the porch and wined about it. James Perrone Please come to Indy. We will help you. My brother is no longer a G car.

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I hear you if your talking about the really old days, where no one had anything other than a real machine. But what about the ‘sort of old’ days, but not that old...where some joke of a 14 second fwd minivan, cavalier, or escort “ wins “ class and gets in, while the bumper dragging real race car that ‘only’ manages .850 under sits on the outside looking in?

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You mean like the entire filled with factory stock cars.

So tell me again about that .85 under real
racecar that couldn't make the field.

I agree with you except substitute Cobra jet or COPO for escort.

Why do you think winning class heads up at INDY shouldn't get you a spot in the eliminate.

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Two points.
If it's in the NHRA guide, it can be raced , therefore, Race Car.

Bumper dragging might get you a woodie , but it doesn't get you a Wally.

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So..........Barry, let me get this straight, you run a B/SA car and you're OK with what you said here. The "combo that's a joke of a car or truck" can get away with this at Indy for years with no repercussions and that's OK with you. Have you been checked for a concussion lately? I've got news for you, if you're running B/SA, even with a new Camaro, you're not playing the system very well. But you've apparently got plenty of time and money to throw around so you keep throwing!

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Are you talking about the "really old days" when the fields were full of 14 second 55-57 Chevys? I'm guessing that they were "jokes" too. But at least they were real cars.
Maybe you should try and get something other than a belly-button SS/GT Camaro to go fast sometime. You might find it very humbling.
Oh, by-the-way, if you're "dragging the bumper" in your "real race car", you're 4 link needs some attention.

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not to take anything away from the obscure combos n the effort put in those !! BUT !! Take a vote in the stands !! No one wants to drive a puss case escort or a omni cause its a top qualifier !! or a car that is considered totaled cause u need to spend a C note on gaskets for teardown !! stock ,super stock is about wheels up american muscle !! not puss cases that r in the guide for god knows what reason !! if its such a great accomplishment to get one of these to run !! y wouldn't u put in the same effort to drive a real race car ??

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y dont u ?

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Calm down and have another DRINK ! Why do SOME of you BLOWhards need to disrespect my guy...STEVE POHILL....a real racer ,not a keyboard jockey....As I recall MANY spectators were cheering him on at INDY the year he was kicking Azz and taking names...Love the escorts, omni s, and el camino’s....I believe we have plenty of red,fricken camaro’s.....

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Ok,I've read several times about " real race cars". This is off topic, so forgive me, but this story is too funny to not share. Back in the late 80's and before I bought a "real race car", I had one of John Lingenfelters 383 package Corvettes. I drove it to work and around town, but on Sundays I headed for our nearby track, National Trail in Columbus. The first time I showed up in that car, I ask to be in Super Pro. That in itself raised eyebrows. That's the class with delay boxes and all the crap. I had hidden a small delay box in the center console and wired in four wheel line locks to operate it. The car looked completely stock, right down to the stock Corvette wheels. No decals, no nothing.The only giveaway was the original size M&H Racemaster cheater slicks on the back. It ran mid 11's, so everybody assumed I would be a typical street guy, go make a pretty fast pass ( for a street car back then) and head home after being smashed 1st round. The car was pretty hot after the 30 mile drive to the track, so my wife and I opened the clamshell hood as to cool the engine down a little, and walked over to the snack bar to buy a couple cups of coffee. Upon returning, the entire engine compartment had been surrounded by onlookers. They were standing there checking out this street car that was sitting in their Super Pro lanes. I thought maybe someone would say something positive to myself and Sue about our new ride ! But instead, two guys that were standing there said "you know, for the money he's got in this thing, he could have bought a real race car" . These guys had no idea that the car belonged to Sue and myself, or I'm guessing they would not have made such an announcement. Sue never said a word, she just gave me a blank stare. The two racers walked over and started getting their car ready. As fate would have it, they were running a Super Pro car. We lost total track of them. And somehow we made it to the semi's. We were in the lanes, up against the fence waiting for the other classes to finish up running so we could run. Any of you old timers that remember the old National Trail layout remember that the exit to the track went right beside the fence separating the entrance/exit road from the staging lanes. These two guys had loaded up, and were driving their rig and racecar within feet of us, as they exited the facility. Out of the clear blue, and as these guys were eyeball to eyeball to us, my Suzie sticks out her hand, politely waves goodbye, and says... "GOODBYE REAL RACECAR" .!! I bout fell over, as she usually wont' say crap, but I sure did enjoy the look on their faces ! So anytime I hear about real race cars, my mind goes back to time when I was just a pup, and learned about making statements that come back to bite

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Billy I wasn't trying to pick on any one combo. The point I was trying to make is even if the AHFS was in place for Indy there are several combo's that can take a hit and still be the real fast for a long time. I have a decent combo. I wish I had more time and more money that I was willing to spend on the car. But I'll make it run quite well the old stocker way. Some hard work and testing along with more testing and the tricks learned from the last 40 years of being involved with stockers. Getting back to Indy. We should have 2 polls to see who wants the AHFS in place for Indy. One for those racers that plan on going Indy and hope to get one of the 128 spots. ( It's Indy not one spot is given you have to work for it) And one for those that have no intention on going but want to complain about what it takes to get in and how unfair it is. I'm wrong we need 3 polls. We should also poll those that don't have a race car. Maybe never had one or it's been so long they were still checking duration and over lap. What's that old expression Lead Follow or get left behind!!! Mark Yak this doesn't include guys like you that have forgotten more than a lot of people that are running cars know. BP

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And Barry, I wasn't picking on your work ethic. BUT, the only place left that a Racer is going to have to show his stuff to qualify is Indy! Think about that for just one minute, the only race that S/SS Racers run ALL YEAR where they have to put all of their stuff out there to get into the field, the ONLY race left where the AHFS can possibly work as intended and NHRA turns a blind eye.
As far as your poll goes, the only poll that needs to be taken for the sake of accuracy should be a poll of ALL ACTIVE S/SS Racers not just Indy entrants and definitely not for fence hangers as using or selectively using the AHFS has an affect on each and every currently active S/SS Racer.
Capt. Jack has referred to the AHFS as "Automatic Help For Slugs" for years. Maybe it should be "Automatic Help For Systemgamers"!

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