Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

I ain't had a national record for 20 years or so, so I got me one, I also got about 15 hp and torn down same as I did last year when I got hit. Anyone there who went 1.20 came down.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Congrats on the record Mr. Jeff, it is truly great to see you out there still getting it done!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Congrats Jeff!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Congrats,sure would love to see a few pictures!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Dish piston sales may be on the rise!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Nice to see some still going for records!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

If you run 1.20 in Div 4, you comin down. And it was good to see many people I had not seen for a while. Thanks guys responding, nice to be back. No Problem really nice, good hook, new scoreboards, and lots of improvements and updated maintenance. National Open in November.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

LaPorte was .07 ahead at 1/8th and .07 ahead at 1000ft.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

People make mistakes, don't fully understand the rules, sometimes just don't care.

This combination has gotten HP by making dumb mistakes in the past. ;)



Am not defending this fellow but know for fact he worked on his car and combination for years to make it fast. Am sure he is not so happy with what he did but he did win class and got the runner up!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Pm sent Frank Ferrucci

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

As a fact.... My combo can go 87 FGH or 89 HIJ by just putting in dish pistons, could go 88 as well but its been hit hard too. Since it isn't finished, I may just yank it back out and change the pistons

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

That shows he was letting off before the 1000ft.
The big caprice played him good, the next time they race the caprice will have the advantage. Stock racing at it's finest.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

How's is that?

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

If I have someone by 7 at the eight, I'll have him by 9 at the 1000th

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

The HP for 3 cars was hit at the No Problem race.

1 of the 3 is not mentioned in the 6 pages of comments, 1 is congratulated, and the other 5 1/2 pages focus on the 3rd car.

When the HP on that particular combination was increased from 268 to 272 in 2015, no comments were made on this forum regarding the person(s) responsible for affecting that HP increase.

Kent's car has always been quick and he works on it to make it quicker (as we all should do). He is by no means a "rich" guy who spends 10s of thousands of dollars to improve his combination. He had no idea the car was on that quick of a run and was just as unhappy as every other person with that combination that he "hit" the HP.

It's obvious (because his car was torn down and found legal) that anyone with that combination can run that quick. Spend more time working on your combination and less time complaining that other's did and reaped the benefits of hard work.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

He may have lost the battle. But he’s gonna win the war.
This was a brilliant move ..now the impala can run with the camaro in the long run. It pays off. It’s called playing ahfs to His advantage..... the impala.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Greenlight, we/us with that combo are entitled to be upset about it. I'm sure he didn't intend to do it, why would he? The other car that is never mentioned is an odd combo that he claims will go 1.90 under easy. Nobody else that I know of runs that combo. Mr. Tueton gets Congrat for setting the record in his class. It is kinda like a bee sting... hurts like hell when it happens but then you have to work on it to make it feel better and eventually the sting goes away.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Your assuming that the other car can”t have a better back half

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Greenlight just about every time anyone has gone 1.20 under that I can remember there have been threads about it. 2015 we got hp due to a review and I was one the many that flagged the combo by hitting the 1 under mark that year and even though we all worked to get the average back down we were a little short. So kind of apples to oranges in this case and like was said I'm sure Mr LaPorte feels bad about it I've never met him but always heard nothing but good things. I've worked very hard on this combo too and can tell you it's not really fast anymore, only way it could go that fast is under these conditions from this past weekend. So another 9 hp pretty much puts it in the same league as the LT-1 now, in obscurity. I did congratulate him on his RU and will move on like everyone else but you'll have to excuse me for being a little bitter also at the moment and not really at him either but more at the system. Like I said those conditions were the only way this combos goes 1.20 under and there's nothing in place in the the current system to say hey this ain't right this combos not really that good but rather here's your 9 hp. The system is good enough to know two thirds of the field went 90 something under or better so their runs don't count but this one does. Just don't seem right to me.....

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

I've always felt the trigger should be bumped to 1.3 under in "mineshaft" conditions. A lot of us have got caught by the 1.20 in air that is not the norm. I'm sure that it would make class eliminations more fun if everyone wasn't discouraged by the cost of lead......

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

I think the system works. If guys want to go fast that's their decision. The weather blame is silly. We all have weather stations and data, if the weather looks crazy and the run feels real good then decide fast if you are lifting or run it out especially on a qualifying or class run. If it's heads up final at a National event and you hit the combo you'd be happy.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

I agree Daren with 1.30. If the weather blame is silly then why have the mineshaft rule at all. I mean the mineshaft rule is in place for unusual weather conditions to start with, so do away with that and let all runs count all the time and include Indy as well. If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes.
You got a combo that goes 1.20 under at -800 DA and one that does it at Indy at 3500 DA, which one really needs the hp? To say the weather blame is silly is silly.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Now I can agree with you on that! A few posts back, you brought up the LT-1. Everyone was quick to "jump" on it when it was at 275 HP. Now at 358, it's not-so-good. Maybe the "problem" isn't the way that the AHFS is working but that everyone "jumped" on a good combo, beat it up for their own reasons, and waited too long to "jump" off. Your combo is/was the same, a soft combo that a bunch of smart Racers "jumped" on and now, not-so-good.
IMHO, the AHFS should be in effect for every run at every race no matter what the weather or the phase of the moon. Eighth mile numbers should be looked at too.
And just to make a good point, the Impala SS that kinda/sorta was responsible for getting your combo hit is an LT-1 that's arguably better than an F-body combo but at only 299 HP. So maybe this whole AHFS/ body factoring thing should be tightened up a bit too.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

In the words of Kenny Rogers

"You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em"

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

So now you want 130 in a mineshaft condition.? I’ve said this before if you go 120 anywhere anytime You Need HP. Where does it stop.? NHRA took 3 tenths of everyone and moved the hp hit from. 1.15. To 1.20. How about not tuning the car up to go too fast
100 lbs of lead will save ya. Like cooter said I mean what Kenny Rodgers said
Please. For Indy put the same 1.20 hit back on and the ahfs will work. Like it should

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

That is very true. I can tell you from personal experience that this 1.20 hit deal has caused me more grief than any other part of racing Stock Eliminator. It definitely creates hard feelings and kills friendships. You don't even have to be driving the car at the time.........

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

94/96 Impala SS/Caprice 350/260/299 HP LT1 uses a Vortec Iron Head.
1.94/1.50 Valves, Roller Lifters, 72cc Chamber and a F- Body cam at .447/.459 Lift.

94/96 Caprice run in J/SA at 3708 lbs, natural K car
Impala SS run K/SA at 4057 lbs
Natural L car at 4207 lbs
Weighted for M at 4356 lbs.

LT1 Aluminum Head engines are same with 58cc rated with more HP.

LT4 Aluminum Heads have 1.60/1.55 Valves with 1.6 Roller Rockers.
Seeing two cams one at .476/.479 lift and .525/.525 Lift (Hotcam)

Suspect the Hotcam LT4 is the one rated at 358 hp.
This would be the 1996 Corvette.
Aluminum LT4 Heads, matching LT4 Intake, Roller Lifters, 1.6 RR's.
All the important components of a Super Stock Engine.

FWIW Dart made a handful of LT1 Aluminum Blocks.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

No the LT-4 is not the one rated at 358...
Your standard LT-1 is

I don't even think the LT-4 is an accepted combo. Not real sure about that though.....

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

The LT4 is a legal stick combination for the 1996 Corvette (only).

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Back in the days you were a hero if you did go fast with your car, now you're an idiot if you do the same,Dragracing is still the most entertaining sport, but these days it has moved behind the keyboard it seems:)

I say use the 1/8 mile numbers and let the Cars finally enter their CORRECT class and then we can go back to real racing again!

(There were a car that went the "the number of the beast" in H/SA on the 1/8 more than once last weekend...not much talk about that one though :rolleyes:)

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

It went from 1.40 (old indexes) to 1.20 (new indexes 2010). It should be 1.20 and yes probably 1.30 in mine-shaft conditions. Look what NHRA has allowed pertaining to rules, new products, technology. If you cannot run 1.00 second under today, you are not working hard/smart enough.
Do not penalize the ones working hardest or smartest at the top. Give them credit.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Here is a solution, sell your Camaro and buy a ford 302

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

You mean well healed enough!
Enough money, massaging, working with BDGIT anyone could do it !

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

I agree, there should be no mineshaft at all and no factored tracks.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

If it was so easy to go 1 second under everyone would be doing it.
It ain’t easy. Unless you combo is soft like peanut butter.
Bob what combo did you go 1.40 under with?
Had to be pretty soft.

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Oh come on Perrone, -800 DA even a caveman can do it!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Or A Masshole 🐢🍿

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

Lol

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

The less a guy knows, the more he credits the fast guy’s money!

Re: 1.20 under at Belle Rose
 

What if mineshaft was determined by actual weather conditions rather than how many sandbaggers show up. I'm sure NHRA could afford their own weather station, make the determination in the morning what the DA is and if it's less than the nominal elevation of the track, it's mineshaft for the day. Just looking for ideas.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632