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BallastBox 01-10-2021 12:38 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
I was told their will be cameras on the starting line looking for movement in the cars. In other words, looking for someone using a delay box.Their will also be spot checks.

Larry Hill 01-10-2021 03:42 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
So were we supposed to pre-enter?

jmcarter 01-10-2021 04:54 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Believe you can just text Bo your intention to run with them. According to their FB posting and FAQ’s they’ll add you to the list and once it reaches 64 they start an alternate list. Will be accepting pre-entry/deposits soon.

Todd Hoven 01-11-2021 07:46 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
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Chip THELEGEND Johnson 01-11-2021 08:37 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Larry the 64 car shootout was pre entry the 20's are an open field

BallastBox 01-11-2021 02:43 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
In talking to one of the promoters, the field is already full. He said he already has 90 entries. He will make another field, if he get's enough entries. You can pay at the gate. You do not need to pre enter for the 20k races.

Scott Loge 01-11-2021 09:05 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Is this a all run field for the 3 20K Races? Or will it be qualified 128 as like Indy?
Sorry if this has been answered but looking for clarity as we plan 2021.

Not thinking there's gonna be a whole lotta races on our coast for awhile.

Mike Pearson 01-12-2021 09:02 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
From what I understand the 20k races are all run

SDT1DYI 01-12-2021 10:04 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Loge (Post 631780)
Is this a all run field for the 3 20K Races? Or will it be qualified 128 as like Indy?
Sorry if this has been answered but looking for clarity as we plan 2021.

Not thinking there's gonna be a whole lotta races on our coast for awhile.

Scott: if you do decide to go back for the race, if you have an open spot on the trailer I would be interested in talking. I could bring the Camaro down to Antioch.

Steve Teeter. STK/SS 620.
360 979 3126

cal 01-12-2021 11:02 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Good afternoon all.
I cannot attend this race, so my opinion really has no weight.
However talking to a few friends that are on the fence about going.
Their concern seems to be about heads up runs, as they have cars that are on the slower end of their classes.
And I'm sure there will be a ton of I & J cars there.
For a non sanction race, with no points on the line, and no tear down.
Why have heads up? With this kind of money on the line!
I know, I know, it is how it is done.
But just food for thought, for the higher ups promoting this race.
Calvin Starcher
SS/SST/SG 1177

Jeff Niceswanger 01-12-2021 11:06 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cal (Post 631805)
Good afternoon all.
I cannot attend this race, so my opinion really has no weight.
However talking to a few friends that are on the fence about going.
Their concern seems to be about heads up runs, as they have cars that are on the slower end of their classes.
And I'm sure there will be a ton of I & J cars there.
For a non sanction race, with no points on the line, and no tear down.
Why have heads up? With this kind of money on the line!
I know, I know, it is how it is done.
But just food for thought, for the higher ups promoting this race.
Calvin Starcher
SS/SST/SG 1177

This is a Class race. Not a bracket race with class cars. There's plenty of high dollar races to run if you want bracket racing.

Brian Oakes 01-12-2021 11:29 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Where does it say no tear down!!!!!!

Bill Grubbs 01-12-2021 11:37 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
1. Calvin feel free to promote your own race. Your race...your rules.
2. Who said there would be no teardown?
3. This is JBD's race...they can set up the rules as they see fit. Support it or not...your choice.

Most racers race Stock and Super Stock for the challenge inserted by the rules (which include car, engine, and race conduct...as in indexes and possible heads up runs).

The conduct of the Stock and Super Stock race is becoming more like Comp, where the thought goes into the race prior to and during qualifying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cal (Post 631805)
Good afternoon all.
I cannot attend this race, so my opinion really has no weight.
However talking to a few friends that are on the fence about going.
Their concern seems to be about heads up runs, as they have cars that are on the slower end of their classes.
And I'm sure there will be a ton of I & J cars there.
For a non sanction race, with no points on the line, and no tear down.
Why have heads up? With this kind of money on the line!
I know, I know, it is how it is done.
But just food for thought, for the higher ups promoting this race.
Calvin Starcher
SS/SST/SG 1177


BallastBox 01-12-2021 12:17 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Let's put this to rest, all the 20k races will be an all run. It does not matter how many entries their are. He is going to run Stock and Super Stock separately until it is down to one car. Then that car will join the other class.

MR DERBY CITY 01-12-2021 01:28 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 631806)
This is a Class race. Not a bracket race with class cars. There's plenty of high dollar races to run if you want bracket racing.

Can I get an AMEN !!!!! .....Why have Heads Up ? ....Because the THREE promoters of this race have decided to. Without Heads Up runs, this is a (. ) race featuring class cars....

Robin Lawrence 01-12-2021 02:03 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
I was informed that there will be 2 Tech People at the event. Teardowns are possible.

Robin

jamie2370 01-12-2021 02:18 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
I am all for the heads up runs. If I go I will be a sitting duck in H and I or J is a def NO lol. My concern was a car coming that nobody knows around here or no record of it running an NHRA race and that car winning a heads up run. For the most part everyone around here knows fairly close to what someone can run. So if a car that goes to a Div race before this race and runs 3 tenths under but comes to this race and wins a heads up run going 1 sec+ under....I would be VERY suspicious, just saying. Saying that, I do think At minimum Jason knows what he is doing. None of my joke comments were aimed at the Race or the Promoters, mostly just making it public knowledge to prevent someone from doing said offense. If things like this are widely talked about it will help alot of what is hurting Stock Eliminator future participation.

Steve Foley 01-12-2021 02:40 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
From my understanding , they will be heads up, tear downs and fuel check.
Be cool if a qualifying sheet wasn't posted so racers can't play the ladder game. Just one qualifying hit and race, place ladder up.

BallastBox 01-12-2021 06:45 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Just found out IHRA cars will be allowed to enter. A sportsman ladder will be used. Two qualifying runs Friday, the next two days will be one qualifying run.

Herbie Null 01-12-2021 07:05 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BallastBox (Post 631857)
Just found out IHRA cars will be allowed to enter. A sportsman ladder will be used. Two qualifying runs Friday, the next two days will be one qualifying run.

Nice! Do you know what index’s are going to be used, since there is a big difference between the two.

BallastBox 01-12-2021 07:23 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Great question, I do not know. Maybe someone else has the answer.

Mike Pearson 01-12-2021 08:08 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbie Null (Post 631860)
Nice! Do you know what index’s are going to be used, since there is a big difference between the two.

I think I saw on Facebook that if you run NHRA you have to use the class and index for the NHRA class. You can’t change your class if you are an NHRA racer.

Herbie Null 01-12-2021 08:24 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
[QUOTE=Mike Pearson;631866]I think I saw on Facebook that if you run NHRA you have to use the class and index for the NHRA class. You can’t change your class if you are an NHRA racer ". Mike what index will be used in a heads up race with two different index’s, SS/JA IHRA 11.30 NHRA 11.00?

Mike Pearson 01-12-2021 08:56 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
[QUOTE=Herbie Null;631868]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 631866)
I think I saw on Facebook that if you run NHRA you have to use the class and index for the NHRA class. You can’t change your class if you are an NHRA racer ". Mike what index will be used in a heads up race with two different index’s, SS/JA IHRA 11.30 NHRA 11.00?

My take on it was if you claim a NHRA class then you run off of the current NHRA index. If you claim one of the IHRA only classes like one of the SS Production classes you would use the current IHRA index. All regular SS classes would run the NHRA index. I guess we will hear more as the event gets closer.

Brian Oakes 01-12-2021 11:45 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
I heard NHRA index's, unless crate motor or Production in SS, a friend told me that

Jason 01-13-2021 12:09 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Simple solution...a car in NHRA SS/JA would not be a heads up run against a car in IHRA SS/JA. Treat them as two different classes with two different indexes. Run them with a handicap start.

RULER 01-13-2021 05:38 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
That’s not a solution, that’s a Bracket Race

novassdude 01-13-2021 09:11 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
How long are they going to keep letting IHRA cars in? The only cars in IHRA are bracket cars they dropped class racing a few years ago so technically there are no IHRA class cars. To my knowledge non of the IHRA classes get updated for HP hits or any rule changes.
Asking for friend.

cal 01-13-2021 10:17 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Grubbs (Post 631810)
1. Calvin feel free to promote your own race. Your race...your rules.
2. Who said there would be no teardown?
3. This is JBD's race...they can set up the rules as they see fit. Support it or not...your choice.

Most racers race Stock and Super Stock for the challenge inserted by the rules (which include car, engine, and race conduct...as in indexes and possible heads up runs).

The conduct of the Stock and Super Stock race is becoming more like Comp, where the thought goes into the race prior to and during qualifying.

Good morning.
First off I have no intention of promoting my own race.
Had my fun Promoting Slot Car racing a few years ago. Way easier to deal with.

I may have misunderstood about tear down, from reading all the post. My Bad!

Second, I think this is a GREAT thing that JBD is doing for Stock & Super Stock.
I understand that this is Class Racing, Not a Bracket Race. But it is not a NHRA sanction race either. So rules can and will be made to please the racer and the promotor.
It was just a thought, with this much money on the line.
I really feel that there will be hundreds of race cars there, a lot of D1 guys planning to attend.

Calvin Starcher
SS/SST/SG 1177

Mike Pearson 01-13-2021 11:53 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 631887)
How long are they going to keep letting IHRA cars in? The only cars in IHRA are bracket cars they dropped class racing a few years ago so technically there are no IHRA class cars. To my knowledge non of the IHRA classes get updated for HP hits or any rule changes.
Asking for friend.

Probably the reason for including the few IHRA cars that are still around is the past few years D2 has been running a 1/8th mile national open series and they have been including the now defuncted IHRA classes. Crate motor stock and SS production cars. I doubt there will be many there. I suspect the top player in that class will be Myron Piatek. He is always a tough competitor.

BallastBox 01-16-2021 07:29 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Ok guys, who do think will be the number 1 qualifier in stock and superstock? Since everyone can run as fast as they want to and not be penalized.

bubski 01-16-2021 10:25 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
whoever thats got the biggest set !! run what u brung !! n classify as u will !!

bubski 01-19-2021 08:32 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Another thread closed by Bubski the True !! Someone please respond as a stupid sheep to get a little 411 !!

Robin Lawrence 01-21-2021 09:58 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason (Post 631882)
Simple solution...a car in NHRA SS/JA would not be a heads up run against a car in IHRA SS/JA. Treat them as two different classes with two different indexes. Run them with a handicap start.

I was told that it doesn't matter what Sanction you claim. If you show up in the lanes with the same Classification it's a heads up race.

Robin

Jim Bailey 01-22-2021 11:04 AM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Forgive my ignorance, I've never been good with the ladders. I need a little more information to understand how the qualifying works at this race. Lets say there's 105 stockers and 85 Super Stockers. How is/are the ladders set up, and at which point are the Super Stocks "blended" into the final ladder?

MR DERBY CITY 01-22-2021 01:46 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 632554)
Forgive my ignorance, I've never been good with the ladders. I need a little more information to understand how the qualifying works at this race. Lets say there's 105 stockers and 85 Super Stockers. How is/are the ladders set up, and at which point are the Super Stocks "blended" into the final ladder?

The stock WINNER will run the Superstock WINNER ....

BallastBox 01-22-2021 03:55 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Did you hear that from one of the promoters?

Whalen3186 01-22-2021 04:24 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BallastBox (Post 632582)
Did you hear that from one of the promoters?

Yes, the promoters posted that the classes would be separate until either class reached 1 car. In Mr. Bailey's example (105 and 85 entries) both individual classes are 7 round races and the Stock winner and SS winner would race each other in the 8th round.

If one class is a 6 round race and the other a 7 round race then both classes will be combined and re-laddered based on reaction time following the 6th round.

MR DERBY CITY 01-22-2021 05:51 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BallastBox (Post 632582)
Did you hear that from one of the promoters?

No, I simply read the rules. .....Stk and SS will run separately in the 20 grand to win races until there is one car left in each class. At that point the 2 will be merged......Today the promoters announced that the Nitro Fish Nacho Night racer appreciation party will be held Saturday after the racing is completed.....YUMMY !!!!

Jim Bailey 01-22-2021 08:06 PM

Re: Rules for SGMP race March 19
 
Michael, This is where I'm confused ... An email I received agrees with Drew. In the event that ether class is down to one car it will be merged into the opposite ladder based on reaction times, ( what ever that means ). I think a clarification is needed. I guess you could have two Super Stocks or two Stockers in the final.


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