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Great point Robin , in my opinion , it might be a good idea to ban sensors on wheels & drive shafts & hand out ecu's on race day like they hand out restrictor plate at nascar tracks or some type of spot check at the scales at least .
. Also all throttle bodies should be fully manual linkage [ equall to a carb } no drive by wire .

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The title of the thread is CLASS RACER wall of SHAME, yet there is actually on ONE name mentioned (and he got booted for a "judgment" infraction). THIS is why drag racing is in the shape it is, to no small degree. Nobody will actually pin the tail on the donkey. There have been hundreds of examples of absolutely blatant cheating throughout the past decades, but the offender is either not punished at all, or is given a DQ for that race. If we all think back to the good old days, we remember that a good competitive Super Stock car could be built (in its entirety) for the price of a really good set of heads and an intake manifold today. Ported heads? Used to be illegal. Million-dollar aftermarket rotating assemblies with Honda rod journals? Same thing. Racing continues to grow more and more expensive (and therefore illogical), because nobody (and not just NHRA) takes truly decisive action against cheating. Laws don't stop behavior... enforcement does.

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For years NHRA has not allowed wheel and driveshaft sensors directly connected to ECU internal data loggers. Bo Kenney warned me about that in 2009 when the season before he was checked at several national events. As part of your agreement to race this access is granted same as checking your carb. If NHRA lost the equipment or has no one trained is on them it's simple as accessing the ECU and looking at settings. The list of approved ECUs is known accessing each and what to look for can be provided by manufacturer with basic computer skills, minimal training and a guidebook for each it's easy.

If you are logging DS speed it must be a separate device the sensor cannot be directly wired to the ECU disabling traction control.
It's all about traction control and wheel counting.

What brought attention recently was a pro mod team not allowing NHRA to look (so they have the ability) the argument being exposing fuel and timing maps which are proprietary to the team may be copied and shared. If the team had doubts about NHRA personnel morality or had something to hide is between them and NHRA.

What you do with your car is your business and NHRA if there are any doubts. Years ago I was questioned about having a transbrake. Funny thing I didn't have a 2 step never have!

By the way MSD Grid can do with a carb combo most of what EFI ECU can do.

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80million Biden votes? Really Greg? You trust that?
https://youtu.be/1Y3FzVQi-R8

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Ya know, you are ABSOLUTELY correct......Because of PC , nobody has any BALLS .... Why don’t you PIN THE TAIL ON THE DONKEY and reveal your REAL name. Until then ......

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Pray tell what are they doing?

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Mike Lyons... your turn.

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I would question whether anybody that doesn’t know who Mr Derby City is should even be on the list thread.

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That’s what I was thinking, BUT ...I appreciate Mr.Lyons revealing himself. He was quite the racer back in the IHRA days ...MJ QUINN ....

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You implied that I'm a hypocrite, hiding behind a screen name. Now you know I'm not. "Your turn" actually meant "back to you". I couldn't care less that Mr. Derby City is Michael Quinn. Now that I think of it, how did knowing my real name make your life better?

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as long as you are not running dual overhead cams it is easy to pump

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I didn’t IMPLY jack **** ,...not a very good ASSUMPTION on your end .....I simply don’t talk to NO NAMES ....Feel free to LOOK ME UP at any D3 race...It made my life better knowing there is ONE less chicken **** , racer wannabe , spreading their UNINFORMED DIATRIBE on CLASS RACER ..You actually have a real name.

Your turn big boy .....

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so being just a fan of class racing, i see a lot of comments about boosters and carb stuff. what are horsepower gains that can be found in carb details..

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Bubski's head is spinning faster than his 85b broach !! How in the HHHH do you want a class racer "hall of shame" ?? When absolutely zero penalties have been levied against Mr Summers or the fast Mopar !! Mr Summers appears to be a carb supplier to the "tech" department and a entry fee !! only to be tossed out for something unknown and not worthy of penalties as per NHRA !! Yet everyones talking of cheating all over from electronics to pistons and its all good !! But when Bubski speaks of cheating !! OMG how dare he !! Bet if Mr Summers and all the other "suspects" sponsored a "big race" You guys would get right up their ARSES and defend them in hopes of being in the "loop" and giving the rest of the eliminator the "business" Bubski still having a hard time with all the double standards and *** kissing going on !! Bubski tired !! updating his 85b to CBN cutters !! Lots of flanges to mill off !!

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What else are we going to question?
Guys with no names, guys with weird names or guys that identify as , well you get it..
Are we going after the guys that change the dates on safety equipment?
Guess they are tired of spending for the sake of SEMA and NHRA.

Wait, Let me get my popcorn and DP....

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Stosh, so simple , a third grader could figure this out...
No name= No credibility!

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Yak !! Puke !! whatever !! when you graduate 1st grade "maybe" it'll come to you !!

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Now its a party...

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I got it..Bubski is Mr Raymond...
Where ya been ? You gonna tell us which tracks have the bugs in the wall now? Still hangin' with Top Fool?

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You win, buddy. Jesus Christ! First, you insult me, when all I did was make observations about the topic being discussed. Then, when I respond by suggesting your comments might have been uncalled-for, you go completely ape-****. I didn't post my comments looking for a fight; I was just stating an opinion, as a 30-year, Super Stock racer (what you so respectfully refer to as a wannbe). And finally, maybe you can tell me what part of what I originally said was uninformed diatribe. Thanks, big boy; you sound like a real class act.

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[QUOTE=nhramnl;636512]You win, buddy. Jesus Christ! First, you insult me, when all I did was make observations about the topic being discussed. Then, when I respond by suggesting your comments might have been uncalled-for, you go completely ape-****. I didn't post my comments looking for a fight; I was just stating an opinion, as a 30-year, Super Stock racer (what you so respectfully refer to as a wannbe). And finally, maybe you can tell me what part of what I originally said was uninformed diatribe. Thanks, big boy; you sound like a real class act.

I think I misunderstood your last post. I hope you were identifying me as NOT a chicken **** racer wannabe. If that's true, I'm sorry for being defensive.

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Mike , Let me break this down for you,...I realize that you are a racer. You actually have a real name , it made my life better knowing I WAS NOT conversing with a chicken ****,racer wannabe, spreading their uninformed diatribe on CR....but a real racer with a real name. Obviously, with your reaction ...you thought I was attacking you....

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I am a no name so let’s get that out of the way. Just my option but this thread was a bad idea. NHRA does need to do a better job at tech and should penalize cheaters. Penalty should fit the crime.
I think racers attacking racers is not good for anyone. This is really a small group in the scheme of things. We don’t need a divide.

I don’t know of too many racers whose cars are perfect. Most if not all push to the limit the rules.

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Yeah, I understood, once I let go of being on the defensive. I totally get the point about no-names. Sorry for turning something small into something big. Peace...

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There is Plenty!!!!

Especially on Lower Class cars that are Carb CFM limited.

I know more BUT: Better not say any more!

I have made back to back testing.

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I think, for once, I'll just keep my mouth shut.

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I bracket race so I've been keeping out of this, but I will tell you that a 1/4 turn of a screw on a carb is an eat or be eaten decision on the track. I can't believe how people learn to fine tune these darn things like they do let alone "cheat" on the dozen or so variables that are in there to "vari" with. Fuel supply to the motor is so critical that not enough at high rpm will kill the engine.

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Ok, no name asshole wannabe here, I wish somebody would police 66-7 B body stockers with 10” wheels with 4” of backspace and narrowed rearends.

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I wonder how a narrowed rear could help when it's the springs and wheel wells that are in the way.

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The wider wheel allows a "larger" contact patch of the slick, so they make it so it has say 4" back spacing instead of needing 3 6/32nds back spacing mainly because off the shelf wheels are easier to find then custom offset.

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You would need a wider rear not a narrowed rear to use more back space.

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Yeah, that explanation was as clear as mud..lol. Well, think of it like this. Axles are like the extension on your impact, the longer and/or smaller diameter the extension is, the more torque you lose at the socket. Short as possible and as large/thick as possible transfers more power to the wheel. So you ALWAYS shorten to shortest possible to make the wheel/tire fit.....even though technically you are not supposed too

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Narrowing a rear end in a stock bodied car is a matter of a few inches, so I don't think it affects torque application that much. Race axles are super hard and I don't think they twist much behind 300 to 600 HP. Factory Showdown and FSS cars are different animals. I've heard CJ Mustangs have running gear more equivalent to ProMod than anything else. From the factory...

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another thing to remember is that whenever you maximize back spacing ( make it greater) you are actually adding weight to the rim/wheel because they have to add additional material to make the wheel stronger/thicker to handle the tree on the wheel/rim--don't believe me take two of the same brand 15" x 12" wheels one with a 2 inch backspace and the other say a 5-6 inch backspace and notice the weight difference--FED 387