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GTS340 09-03-2021 06:36 PM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
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Originally Posted by larrylomascolo (Post 647089)
I cant seem to grasp this ,checked by same tech person ,o.k twice ,now 1/2" out,and no changes ,whats the fix,a visit to frame pull or a alignment ???? .

Adjust 4 link or ladder bars obviously

Wyatt Wagner 09-03-2021 06:38 PM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
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Originally Posted by GTS340 (Post 647090)
Adjust 4 link or ladder bars obviously

4 link has not been touched since the purchase of the car in 2016. The car has always worked flawlessly. No reason to ever touch it. It was a freak deal I cannot explain. The car will be corrected and fixed and will be at Earlville next week.

GTS340 09-03-2021 07:06 PM

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Wyatt I was just answering the persons fix. Can't answer why it changed. Maybe a heim joint or a front end bushing. Beautiful car and sorry for the small technical let down.

Paul Haszlauer

Bryan Worner 09-03-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shift (Post 646977)
A Super Stock DQ and a racer reinstated.

No longer the class winner but raced the first round of eliminations.

He was torn down after first round. His first round opponent was reinstated.

Brett C 09-03-2021 08:27 PM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyatt Wagner (Post 647092)
4 link has not been touched since the purchase of the car in 2016. The car has always worked flawlessly. No reason to ever touch it. It was a freak deal I cannot explain. The car will be corrected and fixed and will be at Earlville next week.

Go get em next week buddy!

bubski 09-03-2021 09:33 PM

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No need to "eat crow" SDS !! Teardown is a complete dog n pony show to preserve the "I care" image !! Bubski remembers the SSnDI mags of the day at the ford dealership with the dry erase board of who's "in n out" n there was a lot of people out unlike today !! Teardown is only a numbers game today !! CC's , bore , stroke , casting #s . Bubski could go on but id rather not !! What Bubski is saying !! is that in stock you don't get counted for grinder strokes across your heads n intake !! Only CC's n valve sizes !! N never cam journals !! That poor fella who got bounced for wheelbase !! What a joke !! Did they measure his wheelbase like a thrust angle alignment ??

MoJo Risen 09-03-2021 09:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 647106)
No need to "eat crow" SDS !! Teardown is a complete dog n pony show to preserve the "I care" image !! Bubski remembers the SSnDI mags of the day at the ford dealership with the dry erase board of who's "in n out" n there was a lot of people out unlike today !! Teardown is only a numbers game today !! CC's , bore , stroke , casting #s . Bubski could go on but id rather not !! What Bubski is saying !! is that in stock you don't get counted for grinder strokes across your heads n intake !! Only CC's n valve sizes !! N never cam journals !! That poor fella who got bounced for wheelbase !! What a joke !! Did they measure his wheelbase like a thrust angle alignment ??

Thank you for "Reality Check".

Wyatt Wagner 09-03-2021 09:51 PM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 647106)
No need to "eat crow" SDS !! Teardown is a complete dog n pony show to preserve the "I care" image !! Bubski remembers the SSnDI mags of the day at the ford dealership with the dry erase board of who's "in n out" n there was a lot of people out unlike today !! Teardown is only a numbers game today !! CC's , bore , stroke , casting #s . Bubski could go on but id rather not !! What Bubski is saying !! is that in stock you don't get counted for grinder strokes across your heads n intake !! Only CC's n valve sizes !! N never cam journals !! That poor fella who got bounced for wheelbase !! What a joke !! Did they measure his wheelbase like a thrust angle alignment ??

They checked it with some homemade tool and a 10 cent tape measure. They measured 3 times and got a different measurement each time. Ask to take all four wheels off and measure that was to get and exact measurement. The response I got was “your still gonna get the same result. See you later”

Tom Meyer 09-03-2021 11:10 PM

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Were you able to roll the car back and forth and then recheck it? I know the car does some great wheel stands has it ever came down hard that could of bent the lower control arms. You have done a great job driving the car, keep it up and put this behind you. Tom

Adger Smith 09-04-2021 12:03 AM

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I got tossed by Wesley at a Div 4 Meet in 2008. probably saved me a crash. The Rt. Front strut and lower control arm had issues. Could roll it back and get about 1" more than when you pushed the car forward.

GATOR 09-04-2021 07:00 AM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyatt Wagner (Post 647108)
They checked it with some homemade tool and a 10 cent tape measure. They measured 3 times and got a different measurement each time. Ask to take all four wheels off and measure that was to get and exact measurement. The response I got was “your still gonna get the same result. See you later”

First thing I thought of. Dummy wheel inserts with a cheap tape measure!! I had an issue years ago but I set my wheelbase with plumb bobs and a level concrete floor. I ended up lengthening my 4 link bars a 1/4" more afterward so wheelbase would comply with NHRA apparatus. I would've pulled a wheel. And last time in the barn I looked at NHRA's burette. Medical grade??!! LMAO, don't ask. Hopefully changed by now but sounds like if they're still using that antiquated wheelbase apparatus!!??!!!

Frank Castros 09-04-2021 07:48 AM

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Wyatt,
I'm sorry for your experience. Could you not have issued a appeal to Lonnie and insisted on removing all four wheels? After all its Indy.
Frank

Paradigm Shift 09-04-2021 09:12 AM

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Out of curiosity, what was the wheelbase measurement when you measured it yourself prior to the event?


What was the actual dimension when you measured it post event?

jmcarter 09-04-2021 09:37 AM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyatt Wagner (Post 647108)
They checked it with some homemade tool and a 10 cent tape measure. They measured 3 times and got a different measurement each time. Ask to take all four wheels off and measure that was to get and exact measurement. The response I got was “your still gonna get the same result. See you later”

There was some encouragement for racers based on Lonnie walking through the process on NHRA Live as well as the free NHRA.TV coverage for Wednesday/Thursday and to hear their response to your request is disappointing to say the least. Sorry to hear you were treated like that but to your credit you’ve been transparent about the infraction and handled it professionally.

4543 09-04-2021 09:50 AM

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NHRA announced last night that next year we would return to racing on Monday so I would guess we will see a more normal schedule. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

TOSTO RACING 09-04-2021 10:57 AM

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Thats great news!!

Kevin Panzino 09-04-2021 10:58 AM

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Very glad to see the teardowns in effect. And in particular, the checking of the wiring, electronics, and ecu files/datalogs.
And really liked the barn video with Lonnie.
I also really love how he consistently said 'the customer' in that video. Very cool.

340Cuda 09-04-2021 11:26 AM

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Lonnie is a class act and I hope NHRA does everything possible to keep him for a long time.

Bill Lamb

John Kissel 09-04-2021 11:39 AM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GATOR (Post 647120)
First thing I thought of. Dummy wheel inserts with a cheap tape measure!! I had an issue years ago but I set my wheelbase with plumb bobs and a level concrete floor. I ended up lengthening my 4 link bars a 1/4" more afterward so wheelbase would comply with NHRA apparatus. I would've pulled a wheel. And last time in the barn I looked at NHRA's burette. Medical grade??!! LMAO, don't ask. Hopefully changed by now but sounds like if they're still using that antiquated wheelbase apparatus!!??!!!

Are you referring to that burette stand thing that looks like a piece of old t.v.antenna. Good luck for the future, John Kissel

Kevin Panzino 09-04-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by John Kissel (Post 647140)
Are you referring to that burette stand thing that looks like a piece of old t.v.antenna. Good luck for the future, John Kissel

Im not sure what the hell you are talking about. It was a genuine Fisher Scientific burette. What exactly would you like them to use?

What do you use to CC your heads ?

Jason 09-06-2021 01:22 PM

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Asking a question. Why did only one car fail while all the others in teardown passed the wheelbase check? A measurement of 106 3/4 on a 108 W.B. is 1 1/4 short. The rulebook allows +/- 3/4 inch. Look closely at the Video. It looks like the rear wheel is moved forward in the wheel well opening.

Larry Hill 09-06-2021 08:21 PM

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Just questing but if WB is 108” it can be 107 1/4” to 108 3/4”. Everything else is wrong.

bubski 09-06-2021 08:54 PM

Re: Eating Crow - Tear Down at Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyatt Wagner (Post 647108)
They checked it with some homemade tool and a 10 cent tape measure. They measured 3 times and got a different measurement each time. Ask to take all four wheels off and measure that was to get and exact measurement. The response I got was “your still gonna get the same result. See you later”

Bubski's like OMG!! They checked your wheelbase with a stick rule with the end chopped off n a spokeshave !! then they checked it in cubits !! than finally they used a Harbor Freight tape measure with the wheels exactly where they wanted them and your hosed !!?? Bubski like thinking "what a joke " These "tech guys" should be inspecting Sizzli's at WaWa so you don't get beat for some artificial meat !!


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