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And what is powering that generator?

Victor in Kingman

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The majority isn't silent, we vote they cheat. This has been going on for some time.

What happened the days/weeks after the November election has happened on a smaller scale in previous elections. 2018 7 or 9 California Republican Congressmen lost their seats in the same way Trump did, untraceable ballots...prelude to 2020. 2016 election the urban areas were the first to report results. They sat and watched as the rural area results erased hillary's lead. It was the exact opposite in 2020. The urban areas sat back and waited to see how much they needed to erase Trump's lead. I believe every state in 2020 that "delayed" their results had a republican controlled house/senate and some had a republican governor. It doesn't add up.

This will continue till the liberal trash election officials are removed from their positions.

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Incorrect.
Lawnmower's and generators are available for either the 49-States or 50-States. The 50-States units are CARB approved and can be sold in California. The difference is that the CARB approved units have a different fuel cap for venting and are tuned leaner.

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What if you have a gasoline powered backup generator for your house? Don’t they make propane powered generators? Portable and whole house models?

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Practical solution to what. How to control mother nature. Earth is evolving and you ain't changing that no matter what you do pollution wise. Can these small engines be made to run cleaner.......of course. But don't think battery powered whatevers are the solution.

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I've read articles in trade magazines that the electric vehicle isn't the all win situation. There really isn't a good plan for disposing of all the Lithium batteries. And maybe you haven't looked at pictures of the Lithium mines? Talk about an environmental impact.
Last but not least, we have had people in my surrounding area lose homes from electrical fires due to a plugged in electric car, and it isn't always the wrong cord plugging the car in.

This isn't cut and dry, and to tell you the truth, I really haven't seen the thrill in building a A/S electric car to keep up with the times.

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The bottom line move from California sound good if possible

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/pix.iemoji.c...ointing-up.png

This!

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I saw the writing on the wall quite a few years back = I love Nevada
at least by comparison. However, It will be a Mini California in the next
ten years or less!!

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Problem around here is the Californians sell out of their inflated value property and then come over to the Prescott area and drive up the cost of real estate. The locals then can't afford to buy or rent around here.

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Whole lot of frothing going on here.

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The locals that already live there will benefit when they sell.

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The US had better re-build the electrical power grid in this country before this 'Go Green' initiative gets going full-tilt!

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I'm shopping Prescott / Payson area right now but I'm trying to downsize some. Sorry if we inflate the housing market but the price "looks too good" to us right now especially the property tax rate. I was also looking at Nevada but GTX John is scaring me a little.

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The average residential service in the country is 100 Amps, a Tesla charger requires 70 Amp, so while you are charging that car, load shedd, your electric stove, dryer, and heating & cooling system while your charging your car, your refrigerator will probably be alright. Ouch.
Say an average neighborhood is fed say 15 MVA of power, now every one is charging a Tesla at 9000 VA you just added say 3 MVA, now your XFMRs are to small, bigger XFMRs and bigger wires. Now find somebody to do the work, and these XFMRs are not on the shelf, it will take trillions of dollars and years to implement. Hey I am just an Electrician but a lot smarter then most those ivy league idiots in Washington.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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cheating dumpacrap voteing !

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There is absolutely zero chance that a multi-state fraud could be conducted on that scale without anyone blowing the whistle.

And a state like Georgia that was being pressured to find or manufacture evidence of fraud (and would have loved to do so) couldn’t come up with anything?

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Do you really think 85 million people voted for this idiot? That would be more votes then any president in history.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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On its own, it might be difficult to believe. But I can certainly believe that 85 million people would vote against the previous idiot.

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It will require decades to come up with a reusable energy program to replace our fossil fuel program, if at all possible. These folks are farting in the wind.

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And your a drag racer. Twin City idiot. Enjoy the mess you created.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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I hear you Don, my problem is I have a business with 150 people that I can’t just up and leave, if it was just me and a small group I would be gone 100%. Long term I will be gone but I am still stuck for several years, it’s a sad situation out here right now, I can’t believe it has come to this in a once great state. John

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100 amps is an old house with no electric heat. Our 60's construction home is all electric and does fine on 150 amps. The dryer is a pair of 120s and I can weld off it OK. Those 70-80 amp Tesla chargers are dedicated 240v deals. Overnight chargers are something like 20 amp and serve most users. Those are nice cars. There were several on the highway through the mountains over the weekend including one entered in competition at Renegade Raceway.Didn't see any massive charging setup. Did see a motor home with a large solar array...

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Let's go Brandon!!

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Changes in the population skews this, so look at the percent of the popular vote instead.Biden won 51.3% in 2020 and Trump won 46% in 2016.. As for the all time thing George Washington won 100%. LBJ-61%, Reagan managed 58.8% Popular vote began in 1824.Half the Presidents on record have a better win percentage than Biden, so his win over Trump is nothing out of the ordinary. My parents survived the Great Depression. I survived Nixon and 45. We will get through this.

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During the 2020 election, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg spent hundreds of millions of dollars to turn out likely Democratic voters. But this wasn’t traditional political spending. He funded a targeted, private takeover of government election operations by nominally nonpartisan — but demonstrably ideological — nonprofit organizations.

Analysis conducted by our team demonstrates this money significantly increased Joe Biden’s vote margin in key swing states. In places like Georgia, when Biden won by 12,000 votes, and Arizona, where he won by 10,000, the spending likely put him over the top.

Election reform anyone?

Credit; William Doyle, Ph.D., is principal researcher at Caesar Rodney Election Research Institute in Irving, Texas. He specializes in economic history and the private funding of American elections. Previously, he was associate professor and chair in the Department of Economics at the University of Dallas. Reprinted with permission from The Federalist.

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not without a civil war !

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Democrats are way ahead of you. The cheating was so successful in the 2020 election that Democrats wanted "election reform" to permanently enhance their chances of winning elections. The first piece of legislation they introduced after the election was HR1 "For the People Act'. It is one of the most unamerican pieces of legislation I have ever seen. It's no coincidence that bill was deemed to be the highest priority and needed to be acted upon first.

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Kenny is going to move this thread to the Lounge and my guess is today.

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Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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Yes, I would need a separate 240v circuit to run a tier 2 charger. Same to use my welder correctly. My neighbor has similar electrical service and has had several EVs over the years. An early Prius and now a Nissan Leaf. They don't match a Tesla but they do charge off a wall plug for daily driving.
I'm not an EV fan. I like the thump of my SBF sucking through a 4bbl 750, but I understand that there is no "new" gasoline on this planet. It might take 100-200 years but there will come a day when there will be no gas and this discussion will be moot. We won't live to see it, but our descendants will. Better to accept it than make fun of it.

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Not making fun of it and do agree we will get there in the long term, but there is no such thing as perpetual motion, it takes power to make power, HP is rated as Kilo Watts in Europe that makes it easy to see what we are up against, and I can tell you are grid is not ready for everyone owning EV's. If you ordered a 2MVA XFMR today it would take a year or more to get it.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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What are you burning to make the electrical power????? What amount of earth are you destroying to get the elements to make those batteries ????? What are you doing with those batteries after they are dead ????

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There will always be oil. It may be made out of seaweed or plankton but it will always be here......... unless we finally decide to get serious about nuclear.

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Unless you are like me retired on a fixed income and have on intention of selling. I live just outside of Ft. Worth and my property taxes have gone up almost 50% over the last 4 years after being pretty steady for 20 years.
A lot of Cali people moving in here.

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I recently retired, the last project I worked on was the largest wood pelletizer in North America as an Electrical Inspector, and was part of the Commissioning and Start Up, it will produce 580 tons of pellets a year. These pellets are not the kind you use in a Bar B Q smoker, or home pellet stove, these are made for power plants. Europe and the UK signed on to the climate accord years ago when Trump smartly got us out, part of that deal was to retrofit their coal power plant boilers over to wood. Wood is considered a renewable energy. These pellets from the facility I worked on are made from 70% pine and 30% hardwood, and 100 % of these pellets are shipped to Europe and the UK, via the Arkansas River, to the Mississippi, loaded on cargo ships and sent across the pond. The substation feeding this plant was updated to supply 28 MVA of power, that is 28 million watts at a cost of 15 million to upgrade. This facility uses wood to fire the furnaces for the dryers, there is 4 lines and 4 furnaces It takes 17 years to grow a pine tree to maturity, and 3 times that long for hard wood. The facility is all rotating equipment and requires a lot of workers just to keep it running unlike a Hydrocarbon facility. Maybe this is part of the reason 2X4s are so expensive.
There were 70 Electricians on this project, and half of them couldn’t speak English, and the quality of there work was very substandard. There is an article in the NEC 110.10, that states all work shall be done in a workman like manner, these boys missed that part in there training, never seen such a piss poor install in my 45 years as an Industrial Electrician, one of the reasons I retired

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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Wow renewable energy. 17 to 51 years we would have no trees.for oxygen.

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You are correct!
Still remember when I lived in Seattle, there was company converting the waste cooking oil from local restaurants into bio-diesel fuel and there were many local pumps selling the bio-fuel at a lower price than the gas stations with the regular diesel fuel.

The only issue I saw was that everytime I would be stopped a traffic light next to a car that used the cooking oil based bio-diesel, I would get hungry for French Fries or Calamari!

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ase-into-fuel/

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Renewable sources, while having orders of magnitude greater energy content than human society may use up, are not particularly easy to harness, allowing only a small part to be finally harvestable. There are tough technical, environmental and societal problems, all quite significant, that have to be solved and restrictions on its transmission and location of usage have to be followed. It will also require development of “wastetless technology” and recovery and recycle of materials, particularly those which are difficult to win from natural sources and may be in short supply. Thus, in the long run, “renewable energy” will become inevitable, but even this will require a great deal of effort and planning and will not come easy.

Or inexpensively.