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The whole problem with this combo is as Glenn stated it doesn’t exist.
So now Glen has a license to go out the number one qualifier anywhere
And when class happens go as fast he wants with no penalty.
Also now his car is legal FG H stock auto car moves into an 11 1/2 pound break.

The aluminum head is only on the Corvette.
When NHRA allowed aftermarket aluminum heads there was a 10 hp penalty
But he gets to run for one year with this combo.

NHRA is allowing a superstock GT combo to run stock eliminator for one year WTF

Frank let’s be real Glen didn’t do the aluminum head because it was worse. He just took 40 pounds off the nose of of his car and another 40 pounds of ballast so how is that fair. It’s a superstock GT combo running stock eliminator
This needs to be fixed.
10 HP. For aftermarket heads. And it still isn’t Fair.
Glen started a thread where are all the class races …..I wonder why lol

Tell me I’m wrong

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Mineshaft race at Gainesville. Also mineshaft race at New England dragway for nationals June 2021.

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[QUOTE=James Perrone;655662.

The aluminum head is only on the Corvette.
When NHRA allowed aftermarket aluminum heads there was a 10 hp penalty
But he gets to run for one year with this combo.

Frank let’s be real Glen didn’t do the aluminum head because it was worse. He just took 40 pounds off the nose of of his car and another 40 pounds of ballast so how is that fair. It’s a superstock GT combo running stock eliminator
This needs to be fixed.
10 HP. For aftermarket heads. And it still isn’t Fair.
Glen started a thread where are all the class races …..I wonder why lol

Tell me I’m wrong[/QUOTE]


Jim
This combo has been legal for for over 20 years. Glenn had it reviewed now it's gone next season. You think he's not taking it in the tookis?

What I stated about my research and advice from very good people is truth, he decided to spend the time & money.
You got a problem protest him and meet in the barn take your stuff apart too.
This head is no where near as good as the 113, it and the 128 are factory heads not aftermarket don't know where bringing up aftermarket heads comes into this. The iron 083 head originated as a corvette head got a problem with it too? Is the 1LE option package no good? Come on man!

Let's talk reality the car was probably the fastest in the country before he bought it. It had the same combination I run and had very good hands in it. When I was the fasted flat top in the country on paper it was probably faster just didn't show it.
The truth of the matter is if a couple of guys understood the AHFS and bothered to pay attention the flat top would still be very good the iron dish motor would be better than the aluminum head.

If the car was built right the weight off the front due to the aluminum heads is really not that big a deal. This talk of weight off the front is really not an issue if you know how to build a car.

Stand by by statement about second under and ladder choices. I was there when you were track champion several years the best I ever did was top 10.

Just beat the guy in the final like you know how to do. This stuff is just BS when winning is the goal.

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Frank the combo doesn’t exist from the factory
It’s a corvette motor it the only way to get that motor in 1989
So it’s not legal.. if you couldn’t buy it from the dealer it’s truly BOGUS
By the way it’s SOFT as F.
Where did Nhra get aHP rating from. ?
So Nhra is gonna have to explain why it’s ok for this year.
It shouldn’t be a secret...
Let’s see him win class at Indy
By the way I Always carry Plenty of $$$ money.

It’s a super stock combo if it’s in a camaro. FACTS

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More info on the 73 GTO raced by Mick Leiferman. His brother Dennis, who was a tech at the Pontiac dealership in Madision SD, along with his cousin, Tom Geppert, bought a new 73 455SD Formula Firebird 4 speed and raced it in D/S for several years at Thunder Valley Dragways in SD. They pulled the engine and bought a 73 GTO, installed the engine and an automatic trans and continued to race it in the midwest. Dennis told me that Pontiac never built a SD GTO but NHRA had it in the book so they were going to do it. After two or three years, they sent the car to Mick who raced it for several years before pulling the engine, changing the cam and installing the engine into a light weight Firebird and running S/G. Dennis sold the original Firebird Formula SD in1978 and found it again around 2005 and proceded to restore it. Dennis passed away a few years back but his wife has kept the car at the family farm in Kimball SD.

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Hey Ponko, Why don't you start a thread outing all of the combos that don't exist and we'll start getting rid of them all! At least NHRA admitted that this one is "bogus" and it's gone at the end of this season.
Maybe a side bet? We'll see who starts getting death threats first!

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Jim way back when I met Jerry Stein we became friends after a couple years Jim Morgan was buying the Husky Car so he offered me the ride in the Tomata Can. One of the first things he told me "STOCK IS NOT STOCK" and this is gentleman's racing.

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Mr. Nees,
Many of us remember the successful blitz that you leveled against Jeff Lee's bogus combination. I applaud your efforts in that situation but there is another more egregious combination right in your neighborhood. That being the Carp/Hoven Hemi. This car is also worthy of your corrective attention.

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Many thanks for this info !

I had no way of knowing that. Love to be able to present facts, rather than wondering or assuming.

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Correction: Not a bogus combination and educate yourself before making statements without any research.

The AMC's were allowed to run a replacement, over the counter, intake and carburetor and had been approved by IHRA and later NHRA. The AMC intake and Holley carburetor were part of the AMC factory parts catalog with its own section. At the time, the basis for the allowance was the same premise as the 1971 Boss 351 using a Holley carburetor in lieu of the Motorcraft carburetor. With the Boss 351, due to the overlap of the solid lifter camshaft, the dealer's service departments were having issues addressing driveability and idle issues with the Motorcraft carburetor. Therefore, the factory released a service bulletin with instructions to replace them with a new Holley carburetor that Ford released to address the issue.

The AMC deal is similar to what took place as to the use of the Mopar Edelbrock LD intake manifold on SBM's that also had a factory part number that was also rescinded.

Instead of being a keyboard warrior and throwing Billy into the fray, since you appear to have a lot of knowledge, why don't you take the initiative yourself and address the Carp/Hoven Hemi with NHRA? By the way, Todd Hoven is one of the many, hard working racers out there, easy to talk too, and you may even be interested in addressing the issue directly with him face to face.

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Care to elaborate?

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Firstly, Mr. Nees invited us to discuss other cars that may be bogus. I threw him into nothing.
Secondly, Mr. Nees freely showed documents that proved the Lee car to be bogus and, indeed, some of the documents that had been submitted by Mr. Lee to NHRA were supposedly less than Kosher.
Thirdly, Todd is a nice guy but that doesn't stop him from driving a car that was never manufactured by Chrysler. Mr. Nees has also expressed his reservations, on this forum, about the Carp/Hoven car.

So in the end I'm only discussing information that has already been presented here.

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The combination as raced was never built by Chrysler.

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I didn't "invite" us,you or anyone other than James Perrone who I invited to start a thread. As far as I know, he hasn't started said thread so you haven't been "invited" to discuss anything!

Would you please provide me with a link to my "expressed reservations"?

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You don’t even know what combination I run lol.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man conversation over.

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In your post about Todd going rounds in a "mans" car. Twist away. I will gladly start a thread on my own since it was not an open invitation.

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No. this conversation is not over. I know more than you would like me to know. You are racing a car and beating other racers with a car that was never built by Chrysler and you owe it to all of us out here to provide verifiable information on your combination. There is no reason the rest of us should lay down for you or anybody else. Prove your car here or we can petition NHRA.

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Like I said earlier, educate yourself before making statements.
The documents Billy provided were the same ones other Chrysler provided IHRA and then provided by Chrysler to NHRA. They were part of AMC's OEM parts catalog Group 19. They were dealer, over the counter, dealer installed parts and AMC has not been the only brand that has done so. However, you can continue with your fetish with the word "Bogus".

http://www.planethoustonamx.com/main/group-19.htm

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I don't believe Todd owes you anything. If you have a beef with Todd's car, take it up with the powers at NHRA.

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I guess I will clarify. Classracer‘s version of CNN is reporting false information.
I run the crossram combination which is the A990 superstock version of the car. Which accepted by NHRA and was absolutely built. He thinks I am running the single four barrel.

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This is much better than the football game.
Philadelphia Eagles 0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 24
Please proceed with this joust. It's far more entertaining for sure. Also due to be a route like the game.

31-0
All Philadelphia teams suck.

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How is this Frank??
Hey, who ever you are Or what ever a "gumple' is...
The Prove Your Car here or We" can petition NHRA really gets under my skin. I didn't approve of appointing you the master speaker for me or for my representation in this forum.
You do not speak for me so your "We" in that statement should be changed to "I". So who ever you are and this Gumple BS your hiding behind, Please leave me out of "We"...
If you have a problem with a combination GTFO here and talk to the powers that be at NHRA.

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Adger, "Let it Be" and let him "Ramble On" as of two of everyone's favorite bands sang.

Without a offensive line you have nothing.

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Buda bing just like that.

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Dallas Cowboys are out. There goes the NFC East.

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Oh yea, There goes Gumple down the drain.

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Mr. Grumple, I do not know what you do for a living, however, I feel you will fit right in with CNN, MSNBC and others, providing fake news.

As I stated earlier, do your research before making accusations and trying to appear as a saviour and hero to all racers. You have failed miserably.

Also, I strongly believe you owe Mr. Jeff Lee and apology due to the fact he never submitted bogus documents to NHRA. To put a car in the classification, it requires verification directly from the OEM. Below is a picture of the letter Mr. Dale Aldo submitted to NHRA requesting the approval of the AMC parts, the same way as many other components have been introduced by letter requests through the OEM.

By the way, you have gone silent. Are you back in your closet or still in your basement being a keyboard warrior?

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Sorry for not getting back sooner. I attended an all day NFL Playoff event yesterday and apparently enjoyed myself a little too much. This will be my last post on this thread. It is addressed to the fair-minded men and women who may happen upon it and read it.

Todd offered a clarification above and I will take this opportunity to do the same. The A990 car was certainly built and classified by NHRA as a Super Stock only car. It was NEVER built as a Stock Eliminator car. It is a car with a great heritage but it has no business running in Stock. The fact that this car was accepted in Stock by some inept NHRA employees does not make it right. It is a Super Stock car masqurading as a Stocker.

Finally, my old Gumple heritage is very conservative but we are not greedy nor do we espouse fake news. We may not be dead on the mark every time but we attempt to be honest. Anybody who cries fake news when challenged is a suspect for gaslighting. As mentioned above (and,after having made my thoughts known) I will not be returning to this thread but there other issues that I will post about in the future. Now, to find a couple Tylenols and go to work, yeah it's a holiday. Go 49ers!!!!

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Well Mr. gumple, I will agree with you that the A990 cars were built for SS. So were the FFFord Thunderbolts just to name one. Someone working at a higher pay grade than me decided that these "old" SS cars should be legal in Stock now. IMHO, very few of the newer FS cars should be in Stock. BUT, my opinion doesn't count for much and neither does yours.
Welcome to the 21ST Century!

And OBTW, "the fact that this car was accepted in Stock by some inept NHRA employees" might not make it right but it does make it legal.

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The NHRA put a few combos in stock that were SS only. The Hemi race cars, Ford Thunderbolts, ZL1 Camaros. Might be a few more that I don’t know of as well.
Next time you accuse someone of running a combo that is bogus,then tell him he is stealing round wins from other competitors, and threaten to file petitions about it, at least do some research on the driver car combo. You had pretty strong words about my car owner/good friend and myself that proved to be Inaccurate and slanderous. Maybe a retraction is in order? But the fact that you don’t use a real name and remain anonymous so I doubt that will be the case. In fact after that little tirade about us I would say that your credibility is completely shot Not that you ever had any anyway.
As the famous Ed O’Brien used to say have a nice day.

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Pretty sure that the reason for the Ford Thunderbolt, and the A990 MoPars, as possibly some others, came to be legal in NHRA Stock Eliminator, was due to NHRA opening up new classes, (AA/S- AA/SA, and for a bit, AAAS-AAASA) to make room for the new no VIN purpose built drag cars, like the late model COPO,Drag Pack, and Cobra Jet cars. Previously, the Thunderbolt and A990 were classified at less than 8.00, which was the highest pound per C. I. rating in Stock. When NHRA implemented the new, higher weight breaks, that opened the door for the older cars that also came it at less than 8.0 pounds per cube.

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What a dumb *** argument he started just because he doesn't like NHRA allowing that car in Stock. I got zero problems with the cars or combos allowed. I bought a car based on price not knowing much about the classes and combos. My mistake sort of but money was tight at the time and you do what you can afford to do.

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Yep!

https://youtu.be/xsis4EQeDCE

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Thanks NHRA. That was a drag race! Two stick beasts…wow

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Well Ken? Think it is time to ask for a signature? That would curb this nonsense.
Todd, you must have spanked up on him pretty bad for this abuse! LMAOI!!

Like my buddy Eric says; Shut up and stage!

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I think if Ken required a signature with a screen name, there are certain people on here that would go away. I would much rather have a discussion or even an argument with someone that is identifiable. Some people have some real beer muscles running their mouth hiding behind a pen name.

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I'd like to leave it as it is. It keeps life interesting. If it gets out of control, Ken can suspend or ban the poster.

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Mr. Gumple?,
You seem like an intelligent man and modestly knowledgeable about Class Racing. This is a tough group to share your controversial opinions with especially since you're new to the forum, hardly an expert and most importantly the active racers here have no idea who you are.
Tell us about yourself and be welcomed to post your ideas.