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SSGT Mustang 09-19-2022 01:33 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 667710)
I disagree with just about everything in this one, right from the top.

As I said, I don't know the man. I'm sure he's a great guy to have a beer with after hours..But what does that have to do with the subject matter?
In case some missed it, this car and driver has been involved in several heads up runs in the last few years..Some with great drivers with good engines, that were in contention for National and Divisional championships. He was able to run away from most of them.
Now the driver can say he didn't put those gaskets on the engine, and the engine can say he didn't do it. The fact remains. Someone did it and it's no accident.

I'm really surprised at the nonchalant attitude of some here. This kind of thing would have been looked at quite differently under Farmer, Greg X, and Marty Barrett.

This saga is not going away yet, nor should it.

BTW, S... I think you ought to recheck your math.
I was referring to 0.050 off the deck of the head. According to my math, .018 from the gasket is about 0.8 of point of compression. Splitting hairs maybe, but if the clearance infraction is less than than that, then you get in the neighborhood of 1/2 point of compression.

I'm not being nonchalant about it. Seems like a strange place to cheat since it's so easily checked. I don't see it.

He had the wrong gasket, and in my view it's not worth all the brouhaha. Would seem to me that the block and heads got machined when the motor got freshened and nobody checked the cc's. I could be wrong, and that's fine, but again it seems a strange way to cheat if that was objective.

Jack Matyas 09-19-2022 01:39 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 667710)

As I said, I don't know the man.
In case some missed it, this car and driver has been involved in several heads up runs in the last few years..Some with great drivers.
Yes his head gaskets were too thick by .014 this weekend but you are making it sound like it's been in his car for many years .And you don't know that so why accuse him? I'm sure the NHRA is not going to let him slide but you want to take him to the woodshed .

dartman 09-19-2022 01:46 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron Collins (Post 667712)
Could the head gaskets been packaged wrong from the dealer?
that does not matter

HR9121 09-19-2022 02:27 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 667719)
Yes his head gaskets were too thick by .014 this weekend but you are making it sound like it's been in his car for many years .And you don't know that so why accuse him? I'm sure the NHRA is not going to let him slide but you want to take him to the woodshed .
That's correct Jack as a matter of fact the motor was picked up fresh in the spring. Y'all carry on.....

HR9121 09-19-2022 02:33 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
People up here throwing rocks meanwhile running around with ten thousand dollar cylinder heads with their chest blowed up because their at the top of the sheet lmao

Larry Hill 09-19-2022 04:22 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Jack are you sure they were to thick. If they were too thick no problem.

Jack Matyas 09-19-2022 04:31 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 667727)
Jack are you sure they were to thick. If they were too thick no problem.

Opps - my bad ---too thin

4406mopar 09-19-2022 04:33 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Does this man also enter races as Bubba Linke? Same number 1150 in stock.

HR9121 09-19-2022 05:16 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4406mopar (Post 667730)
Does this man also enter races as Bubba Linke? Same number 1150 in stock.
Same person

Mark Yacavone 09-19-2022 06:48 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 667719)
Yes his head gaskets were too thick by .014 this weekend but you are making it sound like it's been in his car for many years .And you don't know that so why accuse him? I'm sure the NHRA is not going to let him slide but you want to take him to the woodshed .
Quote:
Originally Posted by SBillinson (Post 667705)
This thread needs to die.

Besides, how many heads up runs does anyone see in eliminations? .
Jacko, I was responding to SB here when he said heads up races weren't common.
I didn't accuse anyone of breaking the rules. NHRA did.. All I said was there was and is a vested interest in how fast that car goes, in a really popular class lately.
I know what I see, and that car was fast last year and it was fast the other day too.
You guys can think whatever you want.
BTW , I've heard reports of .014 and up to .023 on the gasket. Nobody said anything about head cc's to me.

davidhuff 09-19-2022 07:15 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 667723)
People up here throwing rocks meanwhile running around with ten thousand dollar cylinder heads with their chest blowed up because their at the top of the sheet lmao
WOW,how much does a competitive stocker motor cost?

GATOR 09-19-2022 07:23 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
First of all this is not a personal attack on Russ. The fact is everyone seems to be happy NHRA pulled a couple cars into the barn, then they find some critical dimensions out of spec. And now most are saying Russ and Georgie are good old boys etc, honest mistake, have a nice day. I show up with an 850 cfm carb in place of a spec 750, will I get a vacation or will I be praised? I am not bashing Russ or Georgie, I am stating the cars weren’t legal. I know in the past what NHRA did when that happened. All I want to see is what will they do here. More or less set the precedent for the future.

And for those saying no big deal, what is a big deal? Titanium valves, dominator carburetor, nitrous system? Tell me how far I can go before I need to plan a 6 month trip to Hawaii?

HR9121 09-19-2022 08:13 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GATOR (Post 667749)
First of all this is not a personal attack on Russ. The fact is everyone seems to be happy NHRA pulled a couple cars into the barn, then they find some critical dimensions out of spec. And now most are saying Russ and Georgie are good old boys etc, honest mistake, have a nice day. I show up with an 850 cfm carb in place of a spec 750, will I get a vacation or will I be praised? I am not bashing Russ or Georgie, I am stating the cars weren’t legal. I know in the past what NHRA did when that happened. All I want to see is what will they do here. More or less set the precedent for the future.

And for those saying no big deal, what is a big deal? Titanium valves, dominator carburetor, nitrous system? Tell me how far I can go before I need to plan a 6 month trip to Hawaii?
That's a good question and I'll be the first one to say you as a racer are responsible for what you're running in your car. Bubba's motor was out of spec and he'll answer for it whatever the punishment is. I'm standing up for Bubba as a friend who seems to be getting rocks thrown his way from some people in glass houses or people with no name.
Who knows what the punishment is these days but I believe a precedent was set last year on another incident when it was corrected and the racer was allowed to continue racing who I consider another friend. This sport is expensive enough without people sitting around wishing another competitor to be fined or suspended and that's what appears to be happening here.

Larry Hill 09-20-2022 06:43 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Tuesday is usually the day the penalty’s are listed on the NHRA site.

johnk1872 09-20-2022 11:21 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
I went to the barn years ago at that race ,was found to be .001 big on bore. next race had to come with motor apart for inspection, every checks good you are good to go. penalty will depend on if they feel it was a simple mistake or flagrant one . john kuzenberger 1872 s/s 1873 stk. p.s i know the linkes for 30 years and do not believe this was intentional

russellauto1 09-20-2022 01:46 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
I would Bet also if you Pull any random car from Competition, They will find something illegal .

HR9121 09-20-2022 06:12 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
I've had a few messages over the last couple days basically asking "so you think this ok and we shouldn't be suspending or fining people?" Well yes and no lol
I don't think it's ok but do we want to do financial harm to someone when there is so little for us in return?
I mean let's face it we're not running for squat and class means nothing financially. But it is a class Wally and this time the right person/car ended up with it in the end.
My personal opinion says he already lost $330 entry fee so how much more would you want to see?

Jack Matyas 09-20-2022 06:38 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 667795)
I've had a few messages over the last couple days basically asking "so you think this ok and we shouldn't be suspending or fining people?" Well yes and no lol
I don't think it's ok but do we want to do financial harm to someone when there is so little for us in return?
I mean let's face it we're not running for squat and class means nothing financially. But it is a class Wally and this time the right person/car ended up with it in the end.
My personal opinion says he already lost $330 entry fee so how much more would you want to see?
The $330 is only the tip of the iceberg - start with towing costs / tolls along with several days at a motel plus food everyday ( would you want to buy groceries for Bubba ??? ) throw in some gaskets and race gas plus that awful stuff he chews and I'll bet the cost is up over a grand . That already is a stiff punishment . And like you said the right racer got the wally.

On the other hand I spent that much ( or more ) and didn't get a wally .

One last thing - there were three other racers in tear down and not much said about them.Hmmmmm..............

Larry Hill 09-20-2022 06:58 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Jack it’s a Chevrolet world

HR9121 09-20-2022 09:16 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 667798)
The $330 is only the tip of the iceberg - start with towing costs / tolls along with several days at a motel plus food everyday ( would you want to buy groceries for Bubba ??? ) throw in some gaskets and race gas plus that awful stuff he chews and I'll bet the cost is up over a grand . That already is a stiff punishment . And like you said the right racer got the wally.

On the other hand I spent that much ( or more ) and didn't get a wally .

One last thing - there were three other racers in tear down and not much said about them.Hmmmmm..............
Jack you forgot the most important ingredient to a satisfying weekend for Bubba......BEER! That's we'll over $330 for a weekend.

Mark Yacavone 09-20-2022 10:48 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 667798)

One last thing - there were three other racers in tear down and not much said about them.Hmmmmm..............
Jack, None of them made the 6 o'clock news...

Kdw1403 09-21-2022 10:59 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Who is Russ linke”s engine builder?

gsa612 09-22-2022 10:40 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kdw1403 (Post 667841)
Who is Russ linke”s engine builder?
Tbis thread has been beat to death.No use going down this road with more speculation imo...gsa612

HR9121 09-22-2022 10:47 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kdw1403 (Post 667841)
Who is Russ linke”s engine builder?
Don't see much relevance in that as anyone could change head gaskets after the fact. If there was say an overbore on the block then I would say there might be an issue as far as the engine builder. Like I said before you race the car you are the one responsible for what's in the car.

doglover44 09-22-2022 12:43 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
This thread has totally gone off topic

Tim H 09-22-2022 01:02 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...651&zoneid=132

Lenny5160 09-22-2022 01:18 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doglover44 (Post 667875)
This thread has totally gone off topic
The racer named in the post title, his DQ, and his equipment is precisely the topic.

Mark Yacavone 09-22-2022 02:39 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim H (Post 667878)
There ya' go ..
Those who were wanting to see more, so sorry.
The precedent is now set.
Happy heads up!

gsa612 09-22-2022 04:42 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Nowadays you can have the piston at any deck height, as long as you make the min.spec.listed in the NHRA blueprint spec.for that engine.Before you had to have the factory deck which was posted then run a gasket to get the posted min.My motor has a .008 neg.deck,total deck is .030 in the specs.the min.gasket thickness would be .022 to get to .030.Now I can put the piston at zero deck but have to have a min.030 gasket to get to the .030 min.spec.You have to use the gasket thickness to get to the listed min.spec. ...gsa612

Mark Yacavone 09-22-2022 06:04 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsa612 (Post 667891)
Nowadays you can have the piston at any deck height, as long as you make the min.spec.listed in the NHRA blueprint spec.for that engine.Before you had to have the factory deck which was posted then run a gasket to get the posted min.My motor has a .008 neg.deck,total deck is .030 in the specs.the min.gasket thickness would be .022 to get to .030.Now I can put the piston at zero deck but have to have a min.030 gasket to get to the .030 min.spec.You have to use the gasket thickness to get to the listed min.spec. ...gsa612
John, Good luck on that .030 deck :-)

Th e 78 400 Pontiac is +.004 with .043 gasket.
The PT Felpro was .048 out of the package.It would compress to around .043.
You had to run a + deck back then so we had to shoot for something on the + side, like .001 or .002 to be safe.
Wesley never did like that rule, and eventually it was changed to what we have today.

The LT1 is .015 down , with a .047 gasket.
That means, if you had at a - .013 piston , hypothetically speaking, of course, you'd need a .049 - .050 compressed gasket.
The Felpro gasket spec is .047 to .053, so a word to the wise there.

Cometics are pretty much as ordered, but not cheap.
As much as they cost though, you wouldn't want to toss them around, willy nilly.
You'd probably have a good handle on this.
There..I should be a politician with this one ;-)

tstickff 09-22-2022 06:56 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
I say we Tar and Feather him!! Isn’t that what we used to do “back in the day”…..asking for a friend.

Tim Stickles

Andrew Hill 09-22-2022 07:21 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 667798)
One last thing - there were three other racers in tear down and not much said about them.Hmmmmm..............
I’m personally more interested in the car that has recently set records and won class at Indy allegedly coming up a touch too high on cam lift and avoiding a 10hp hit.

Mark Yacavone 09-22-2022 10:19 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 667901)
I’m personally more interested in the car that has recently set records and won class at Indy allegedly coming up a touch too high on cam lift and avoiding a 10hp hit.
I'd be interested in that too, Andrew.
Go ahead and start another thread...

MR DERBY CITY 09-22-2022 11:53 PM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 667901)
I’m personally more interested in the car that has recently set records and won class at Indy allegedly coming up a touch too high on cam lift and avoiding a 10hp hit.
AMEN to that one ….

Larry Hill 09-23-2022 12:36 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Not going to waist my breath.

Charlie Yannetti 09-23-2022 10:58 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Bender (Post 667658)
What asshole talks in the third person. Crazy
WELLLLLLL, BRO!!.. it's quite apparent that Bubski is a fan of the WWE, where most of the *** Clowns speak in the third person.. IMAGINE THAT!!

Charlie Yannetti 09-23-2022 11:19 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBlockBill (Post 667717)
In the end it is the responsibility of the car owner/driver to know what is in or on ther engine since it's them that will be impacted by the violation.

While I can agree that the car owner, or maybe even the driver, should know what's in their motor, how many actually do.. many of the top competitors are using supposed professional engine builders these days.. most of these builders love to claim they put together the best engines, and make the most power.. it's unfortunate in this case, as I believe that the owner/driver probably had no clue, and absolutely no bad intent..

HOWEVER, I have to give a hat tip to NHRA Tech for finding an infraction that ranged in thickness not easily detected by the human eye.. and at that point, a rule is a rule..

Had it happen to me some years back in Comp, when the engine builder said the motor was 305 cubic inch, but then pumped at 307 cubic inch.. shame on me??.. or shame on the builder??.. we pay them good money, do we have to stand over them and double check their every move too??.. could be the question of the day..

Markeracer 09-28-2022 08:30 AM
Re: Russ linke
 
Who is the engine builder?


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