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MR DERBY CITY 02-08-2023 01:08 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 675644)
I'm hearing some rumors that this had more to do with certain racers burning NHRA's ear about banning them and not a safety issue at all.

Not rumors Jim, facts….Charley Downing is getting to the bottom of it ..LOL.!!

Jim Caughlin 02-08-2023 01:35 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 675647)
Not rumors Jim, facts….Charley Downing is getting to the bottom of it ..LOL.!!

Actually, I heard one specific name...

4543 02-08-2023 02:32 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 675644)
Doesn't that mixed signal response from NHRA indicate that there is more to this than the 'safety issue' that initially was used as a basis for the change? Why would you start talking about the function of blinders as it relates to racing if the reason for the change was purely for pit safety? I'm hearing some rumors that this had more to do with certain racers burning NHRA's ear about banning them and not a safety issue at all. I still go back to my previous question, if there was a pit incident, someone on this site must have knowledge of it?

Kind of like the AHFS BS. I think the whiners won that round! Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

MR DERBY CITY 02-08-2023 06:49 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 675649)
Actually, I heard one specific name...

So did everyone else Jim, …..

Ed Carpenter 02-08-2023 07:44 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 675524)
Both of my G-Force helmets have those stripes across the top of the shield. I also use those helmets to ride my Harleys. I can simply tilt my head forward if the sun happens to be too bright. Now that's illegal? Seriously? Just for fun, someone should threaten to sue NHRA for forcing them to remove a factory installed safety device from a required piece of safety equipment.





Stupidity such as that is EXACTLY what I knew would come from this rule. It's pretty funny, actually, that this rule is a "safety" issue, but "ONLY" in 1-2 classes. ROFLMFAO.





And then, when people start trying to get others a DQ, starting arguments and fights, it'll be worse than Saturday night at the podunk race track.




How sad that a supposedly relatively adult sport among friends is degenerating to such a childish level.

This rule doesn’t apply to my class but I have a brand new Simpson Super Bandit helmet. No way I’m peeling anything off. They can go pound sand. Ridiculous. Guys used to put 6 piece of wood all the way across the windshield and crazy plastic pieces attached to their helmets . I can see that but c’mon get real.

Tracy Robbins 02-08-2023 08:47 PM

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Bottom line, if the blinder was that big of an advantage EVERYONE would be using them...it was your choice! If they changed a rule for every pit accident, we wouldn't even be racing because the insurance companies (that we as participants foot the bill for) would set all of our rules.

jmantle 02-08-2023 08:54 PM

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Maybe all 7 of the current SRAC reps can chime in and give us the details of the conversations that they’ve had with NHRA authorities over the past year or 2 on the subject.[/QUOTE]

In the time I've been a SRAC rep I can't recall any previous conversation about blinders.

Barry Polley 02-08-2023 09:17 PM

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After taking with great racer/ friend today. If there are racers crying about a few winning with a blinder , guess what? They will still win because they are better racers. All you did was pizz them off. Careful what you wish for….

e vassar 02-08-2023 09:31 PM

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I have been considering removing my blinder for awhile now because it is apparently blocking my view of the win light in my lane.

Alan Roehrich 02-08-2023 10:49 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Barry Polley (Post 675685)
After taking with great racer/ friend today. If there are racers crying about a few winning with a blinder , guess what? They will still win because they are better racers. All you did was pizz them off. Careful what you wish for….


Reminds me of a particular era when a few people were accusing Bertozzi, Biondo, and Fletcher of having a trans brake in Stock, and various other ways of cheating. What a joke.

Brett C 02-08-2023 11:39 PM

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Why are people beating around the bush on this deal?
If you know, spit it out!
Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of complaining.

Jim Caughlin 02-09-2023 02:02 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Brett C (Post 675692)
Why are people beating around the bush on this deal?
If you know, spit it out!
Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of complaining.

If the person that was responsible for this is so proud of what he accomplished, maybe he should get on here and try to justify his actions. Seems like this was just a slimy way of trying to improve his odds against some of the other national caliber racers.

herbjr 02-09-2023 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 675724)
If the person that was responsible for this is so proud of what he accomplished, maybe he should get on here and try to justify his actions. Seems like this was just a slimy way of trying to improve his odds against some of the other national caliber racers.

If you know the person why not call his name out.

Spyphish 02-09-2023 07:03 PM

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I stay "under the bus". Getting me some TI valves next. LOL

442OLDS 02-09-2023 07:45 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 675724)
If the person that was responsible for this is so proud of what he accomplished, maybe he should get on here and try to justify his actions. Seems like this was just a slimy way of trying to improve his odds against some of the other national caliber racers.

I find it awfully hard to believe that ONE person has enough power to make policy changes for NHRA.
If he or she does, maybe they need to run for President in 2024.

Jim Caughlin 02-09-2023 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 675739)
I find it awfully hard to believe that ONE person has enough power to make policy changes for NHRA.
If he or she does, maybe they need to run for President in 2024.

You can believe it or not, it happened.

Race Wife 02-10-2023 06:35 AM

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More than once.

HR9121 02-10-2023 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 675739)
I find it awfully hard to believe that ONE person has enough power to make policy changes for NHRA.
If he or she does, maybe they need to run for President in 2024.

I bet it was Bubski! 🤣

bubski 02-10-2023 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 675764)
I bet it was Bubski! 🤣

HAHAHAHA !!!! Maybe agent 86 and agent 99 who know who's the double agent between CONTROL n KAOS would like to get rid of the "cone of silence" Believe you me !! If Bubski were to be involved in any rule process this would've been taking care of years ago !! Along with all the other 'bracket racing aids" and the ridiculous system that now is giving you "personal index" That's right !! Ridiculous HP spreads on the same engine in different years and or body styles and transmission type !! Begging for enhancements and HP reductions for the same engine in a different body I guess its anything goes to DUCK that heads up that so many tout as CLASS RACING ?? Cheers !!

Brett C 02-10-2023 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 675744)
You can believe it or not, it happened.

Put it out then!
Otherwise, it’s only conspiracy.

joe176 02-10-2023 08:29 PM

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It's like Joe Biden is running NHRA !!!!! Bahahahahahaha

Herbie Null 02-10-2023 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joe176 (Post 675807)
It's like Joe Biden is running NHRA !!!!! Bahahahahahaha

You got that right Joe! We have to remember the woke racers need help. Once you start trying to change the rules to suit a few, you end up with a first class **** show! He only beat me because he used a blinder haha, lmao! Well cup cake, you can to if you chose 2. But it’s a safety issue lol

Jeff Stout 02-10-2023 09:09 PM

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The 6 inch minimum numbers and letters on the front windshield are a blind spot when driving in the pits. NHRA, how are u addressing that dangerous problem?

442OLDS 02-10-2023 09:22 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 675810)
The 6 inch minimum numbers and letters on the front windshield are a blind spot when driving in the pits. NHRA, how are u addressing that dangerous problem?

You might want to check that rule.It has changed over the last few years.

joe176 02-10-2023 09:59 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Herbie Null (Post 675809)
You got that right Joe! We have to remember the woke racers need help. Once you start trying to change the rules to suit a few, you end up with a first class **** show! He only beat me because he used a blinder haha, lmao! Well cup cake, you can to if you chose 2. But it’s a safety issue lol

So the change was made because of a safety issue in the pits ... now a racer is asked to remove the factory decal across the top of his visor ???

How many of us actually drive to and from your trailer with your helmet on????

Something SHADY is going on !!!!!!!!!

Sean Cour 02-10-2023 10:44 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joe176 (Post 675819)
So the change was made because of a safety issue in the pits ... now a racer is asked to remove the factory decal across the top of his visor ???

How many of us actually drive to and from your trailer with your helmet on????

Something SHADY is going on !!!!!!!!!

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say a racer is pissed cuz the championship isn't falling in his lap, like it should?

HR9121 02-10-2023 10:52 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by bubski (Post 675803)
HAHAHAHA !!!! Maybe agent 86 and agent 99 who know who's the double agent between CONTROL n KAOS would like to get rid of the "cone of silence" Believe you me !! If Bubski were to be involved in any rule process this would've been taking care of years ago !! Along with all the other 'bracket racing aids" and the ridiculous system that now is giving you "personal index" That's right !! Ridiculous HP spreads on the same engine in different years and or body styles and transmission type !! Begging for enhancements and HP reductions for the same engine in a different body I guess its anything goes to DUCK that heads up that so many tout as CLASS RACING ?? Cheers !!

Cheers on that one!

Larry Hill 02-11-2023 10:08 AM

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Just speaking for myself. How will removing the blinder affect the racer that has be using it. Will they be late from the hypnotic effect of watching the lights come down or will they red light more for whatever reason?

Of the two Class racers in our county neither one of us requested a rule change.

Jeff Niceswanger 02-11-2023 10:21 AM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 675830)
Just speaking for myself. How will removing the blinder affect the racer that has be using it. Will they be late from the hypnotic effect of watching the lights come down or will they red light more for whatever reason?

Of the two Class racers in our county neither one of us requested a rule change.

Both Larry. They will start off being primary late because they wait till the yellow is full on and by the time they figure it out they've let it roll past. When that repeatedly fails they will become frustrated and try to 'meet" it, and then their red. It's a vicious cycle.LOL
Missing the blocker from seeing opponents car moving will bring in all sorts of scenarios.

SSDiv6 02-11-2023 10:54 AM

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It appears that someone got their panties wadded up! It doesn't matter!

The reality is that a good driver will adapt and still win, with or without blinders.

jmcarter 02-11-2023 10:55 AM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
If the racer who reportedly requested the change has enough influence to have rules changed I’d love to know who it is so I can possibly get a few more tweaks to the rule book. Anyone “in the know” can PM me the name and I’ll provide a six pack of your favorite beverage.

Surely the aforementioned incident at Orlando was an overreach/overreaction by a tech official and by the No Problem Division race (or certainly the Baby Gators) this will be ironed out.

Any associations adopting the binder verboten rule?

GTS340 02-11-2023 11:31 AM

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The blinder deal surely was never in anyone I know's radar. Out of the 6 folks I associate with. One uses a sun visor. I happened to pull up last year's Jegs race where there were over 128 cars in stock. There weren't that many at all using a blinder. I'm guessing less than 10. I did hear there was some rumbling in the stagging lanes at the end of the year over champions. Measuring their skills and how they achieved them. Maybe look there.

Paul Haszlauer
79 C/SA

Jeff Stout 02-11-2023 01:26 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 675813)
You might want to check that rule.It has changed over the last few years.

Just making a point on obstruction being a hazard in the pits. I'll reduce the size to make the visibility greater.

Charley Downing 02-11-2023 03:40 PM

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I will go out on a Lamb like Sean said and agree with his post. My bad I mean limb. Sorry for the bad spelling

Jim Caughlin 02-11-2023 04:00 PM

Re: Blinder/Blocker clarification needed
 
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Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 675853)
I will go out on a Lamb like Sean said and agree with his post. My bad I mean limb. Sorry for the bad spelling

BINGO!!!! We have a winner!!!!

bubski 02-11-2023 05:50 PM

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BAHAHAHA !! Bubski believes the "Silence of the Lambs " is over !!! Cheers !!

jmcarter 02-11-2023 07:24 PM

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Was my #1 suspect but actually wished it was some no-name racer who just happened to have NHRA’s ear. Apparently what happened at the 2013 SLC Divisional still rings true.

Charley Downing 02-11-2023 07:53 PM

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Im glad to see everyone voicing there opinions on this topic Justin time for the season to kick off

MR DERBY CITY 02-11-2023 07:59 PM

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Charley, I believe your spell check is malfunctioning.

Larry Hill 02-11-2023 09:22 PM

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Y’all ain’t speaking of the world champ that Lambeck took a dive for in the finals of a points race are you? I bet the trophy still rings hollow.


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