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Not sure i get the whole thing. I thought that Indy was a balls out run what you brung heads up race. The added money is nice but i would think most people want the Wally and the bragging rights of being the best in class that day in an open class with no additional rules. .This sounds like build back better.

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A 2019 Dodge 392 Scat Pak fits nicely in AA/S, especially if you can be at 20 lbs. under A weight. I need to get the parts ordered! Testing in April. Thanks for the opportunity.

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Bragging rights in A/S is reserved for combos without a carburetor
The LS and LT1 cars will dominate as they have for years
That’s the whole point of this a competitive field

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What I want to know is if I bring my 69 Camaro to Indy and enter in AA/S, make my first Q 1 pass weighing about 100lbs under the shootout weight then Q2 and Q3 are above this weight will I be disqualified??? Also, if there is a rainout will this shootout be canceled?

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I have a car that will fit in AA. It is for sale.

Oh! I forgot. It has the third pedal in it now, so that's a start. lol

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Competitive field. This years race was one that the fastest passes were all side by side and all carb cars could have won races with efi ls car with a .020 or better light. How competitive do you want it?

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That LS car had 3 mph on the field every round this year. A few years ago another LS stick car went 138 and 140mph. That same car also went .06 quicker and 6 mph faster than Steve Wann did in A/SA. I only point that out as some say Mr. 413 is the fastest A car in the country. I don't think a carb car has gone 135 at Indy.

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NHRA. If your to lite or to heavy the car does not fit the class and all runs outside of the class weight limits will be disqualified

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Never thought we would see hide and go seek at Indy. I fail to understand why people won’t support races that pay out serious money for stock eliminator. But they want to go to the most prestigious race and race for a $10,000 consolation prize..

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Kevin and Sean,

Thank you for posting big money to support Stock and Super Stock racing. I have run several races where you have guaranteed the purse and it is much appreciated.

Greg

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Please see attached banner for the shootout. Feel free to call or text me should you have any questions. I would like to thank Ken Miele for designing and creation of the banner. I will have a picture posted of the shootout trophy asap(still in the works).

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Don't take the ballast out, put a flyweight driver in...For rent or lease cheap 115 LB. (Wet) weight driver. Pros: Will hammer the tree, not afraid of red (too often by mere thousanths), but your front tires have much more rollout to adjust to than a 20" tall FWD slick, you can add more ballast to the box probably...Cons: Have not lifted a front tire off the track surface since the Mid 80's (would almost die to go high and shift in the air), have not left the line in elims' 2nd. since the early 90's, and has not driven a stick car on track since the early 80's, but I learn fast, drive straight, don't eat much, and will sleep anywhere to race.

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At this year’s Indy class was laddered after Q2. How will the mix of FI cars and 10 K shootout cars be paired if NHRA has them laddered? I don’t think NHRA will allow a C1 looser to race in C2. I’m not saying the carburetor car would loose but it might to a minimum weight FI car. I hope y’all get everything worked out it could be a good show.

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Larry, there is only but a few EFI/Paper car combos in the entire guide that could fit into AA/S. Also, to my knowledge, none of the few combinations have yet to be ran in stock eliminator with a stick. No car has ran AA/S at the US Nationals since its addition to the class category guide. Should an individual now, all of the sudden, wish to run AA/S with one of these rare combinations, it would obviously be to MF the shootout; however, should this arise, its ok...they should just make sure they bring lots of tools and gaskets ;) LOL

This event is for us old school guys by us old school guys...we just want to have fun and race each other. Hoping to have a great turnout and event.

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So, if I have a 69 Camaro, and I want to run AA/S in NHRA class, NOT the special shootout, I will run qualifying with every other stocker. Now its time for rd1 of class. Will NHRA run their AA/S separate from your shootout? Will you have your own ladder? What if I get paired with a car participating in the shootout?

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Like I said Jason, no-one has ever ran AA/S at Indy....ever. So if someone with an older combination wishes to do so, he would be in the NHRA class ladder which we are also using for the shootout; however he would not be a part of the shootout payout/prizes. I highly doubt this hypothetical would happen due to A/S being a better index for a car such as a '69 Camaro or Nova, especially if your goal is to qualify for the eliminator(25 hundredths for 1/2 # WB). I understand your not a fan of what I am doing; however given the positive feedback from actual competitors that will be participating in the shootout, I highly doubt we will have any competitors running AA/S that will not be in the shootout.

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Jason, with a 1969 Camaro AA/S car at NHRA weight, it would be a good
thing to line up against these arbitrated AA/S cars. I believe you would
have an approx. 170 lb. weight advantage.

J.R.

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In that hypothetic situatuon, what if I beat a shootout car? What if I win? To JR's point, I would have 170 or so lbs on a shootout car...

Its not about me agreeing or disagreeing with what your doing. Its trying to clarify each situation for those trying to decide to participate or not

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How many’. AA/a stick car are there in the world ,looks like it will a short field to me. I am sorry .

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As of now I have 10 competitors who have committed with another half dozen or so who are undecided do to various reasons. We have great sponsors on board and looking forward to a very competitive field. Everyone I have spoken to, who will be involved, has been very supportive and excited.

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Jason, if someone comes out of the woodwork, even though NO-ONE has ever ran AA/S at INDY, and wants to run at the minimum for AA...that only tells the rest of us competing three things... he's too slow to be in the shootout with the rest of us, he's gonna lose class regardless, and he's looking for his 15min of fame just so he can "prove a point" and say he screwed everything up for the shootout...which to all three I say, I hope we get him 1st F!#KING round!!! PS. Bring tools and gaskets...gonna be a long day in the barn...

What I really like about you Jason is you have ZERO skin in the game but have a million questions and comments. I am putting up over 20k of my $$$, my time, and doing it all for the friends Sean and I have made in the last two years running our new car. I am not profiting and/or gaining anything personally by doing this. I do it because I love Stock & Super Stock. I like your WOKE mentality that because you and/or some of your other WOKE friends can't participate, it has to be dismantled and criticized. Sounds like you have got it all figured out....yeeesh!

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If you look back on all of my comments on this thread, I dont believe I have criticized anything. I even mentioned that this would be an awesome event. Yes, I have asked questions, but only to clarify things.

Skin in the game? My car, no, I run super stock. But it affects several people very close to me. If I can help them decide if they want to participate or not, thats all I'm after.

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Nothing about the race but i think the definition of woke is special rule to benefit a certain group prizes for all and threats for none compliance. Just saying

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Jason, I have posted my cell # on here several times should anyone have any questions...funny part is the majority of the posters on this thread cannot/will not participate, but comment negatively and the only people who have called me are people who can or will be participating...hmmm makes sense!

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Woke is pushing your entitled agenda and ideals onto the masses while having society or someone else pay for it...I am not doing either. If you wanna play, run the shootout, if not, do whatever suits you. I am not asking anyone to pay for it, I am....gonna go out on a limb and say you DO NOT have a car that could participate or is being "left out"??? Perhaps you may not even own a stock eliminator car at all, and you just cannot help yourself to comment, regardless of someone's best intentions. Keep typing...you are free to speak your mind...

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So by your own definition of "pushing your own entitled agenda and ideals onto the masses while having society or someone else pay for it," it sounds like the Gaffney brothers must have been at the forefront of WOKE when they pushed to re-write the entire shipping weight section of the rule book. Got it.

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If you ever bothered to read my post on the subject, I was looking to have one shipping weight changed....NHRA took it upon themselves to change them all...but I am sure you already knew that and felt like MF'n me with disinformation, that's ok. My concern was the forging of MVMA documents between manufacturers and NHRA to subtract 300+ pounds from vehicle shipping weights to create an competitive advantage over their competitors....sometimes even against cars produced by the same manufacturer(ie. Firebird vs Camaro). Funny thing is there was a lot of push back by NHRA for a manufacturer that no longer exists. Conversely, NHRA had no issue changing the 1969 Camaro(most ran vehicle in NHRA STK & SS) SW just months before I mentioned my concerns, which hurt all the classes it could run in STK & SS...didn't hear any '69 guys complain. Good luck against the COPO's at Indy...

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Well, I think additional money heads up for any Stock or Super Stock class is always a good idea and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

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Larry, there is only but a few EFI/Paper car combos in the entire guide that could fit into AA/S. Also, to my knowledge, none of the few combinations have yet to be ran in stock eliminator with a stick. No car has ran AA/S at the US Nationals since its addition to the class category guide. Should an individual now, all of the sudden, wish to run AA/S with one of these rare combinations, it would obviously be to MF the shootout; however, should this arise, its ok...they should just make sure they bring lots of tools and gaskets.

Well, it looks like I need to cancel my order for my new G-Force transmission. I have a car that is not a paper car but is EFI. Good luck to everyone involved.

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Question being that it’s an Nhra event
Who makes the call on teardown?
Seems like it’s implied that this is gonna happen

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This is sick! Hope it gets lots of support at indy!

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Whom are the 10 that have committed?

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Wouldn’t an easier solution be to pay a bounty to the highest placing car you want to win? If you want to seclude a model or combo put the money towards the highest player without that combo. This would still promote A/S event without putting a burden on NHRA. I have no skin in the game but from the attendance of the big $$. Stock events. Not everyone cares about the $$. This idea of big $$ at the most prestigious event in the country is a win win for our sport. Thank you for what you are doing to generate excitement in what we do. Everyone has an opinion and likes to complain. It’s good to see someone put the time in energy into improving it.

I am no expert on Indy by any means but it appears getting power to the ground is usually the deciding factor. I feel the AA/S will definitely create an opportunity for others to qualify for the field that would otherwise not have the opportunity. So that’s a win for us slower cars I guess..

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To all competitors, we are 6 weeks away from the shootout. I know that Indy filled up at 6 Grade points, but please keep an eye on the entry list to see if people drop out. We will also be asking NHRA to bump up the quota once it reaches zero grades if there are other classes with low entry numbers. Stay positive, we would like to get everyone who wants to participate to come. Tnx

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Three weeks away...time for Roll Call. Please contact me with vehicle information if you are participating. I would like to have everyone's weight and contestant stickers prepared and given to you on the Tuesday before we run. Please call or text 613.229.9582. Tnx

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Didn't one of the racers start a site to gamble on these type of races.

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Who is totally going all the way, and towing the heavy iron in?

Nitro Joe?

Hey... where is the ultra great video guy robz need for speed ?
Who is going to film this with HD ultra quality?

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1.1008 AA/S Sean Gaffney Nauan ON 1969 Camaro Chev 427
2.3082 AA/S Brett Saurbaugh West Olive MI 1967 Corvette Chev 427 WEST MICHIGAN AUTO BODY
3.5306 AA/S Johnny Diekema Blue Grass IA 1965 Corvette Chev 396
4.Only 3 entered in AA\S looks like 3 or 4 others entered in A or B\S that could which class in tech ar the event. I think a few couldn't get in due to grade points? Good luck to everyone hopefully they hook and book.

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We have had a few participants that had to withdraw due to various reasons, but we still have a 3 round race! Please call or text me next Tuesday to meet up and come get your contestant and weight stickers. :)

Anticipated Participants:

1. Gaffney
2. Williams
3. Saurbaugh
4. Diekema
5. Sheppard
6. McFarland

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Who won the $10.000 and how many car participated?