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Kind of like Obamacare. It was mandatory to have health insurance, but it was way too expensive for me so I chose to pay the fine which really got ridiculous.

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I don’t know anything about Obamacare, I have always had healthcare insurance…. Retired military.

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Local Ford dealership in AZ had a commercial stating they had the most F150 electric trucks in town. Had to laugh as I think who ever ordered for stock inventory had to ba a liberal and maybe fired.

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It was in reference to mandatory things the government makes us do.
I never quite understood that one because we have always paid our medical bills. Why should we have to have coverage when we could actually pay the bill if needed????

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We need to get Bobby Rashid on here. He just purchased 2 of the Lightnings with the 700 HP motors. He purchased the first one and was so blown away he bought (I think its on order) another. Says he can't let Nancy drive them....Said their so powerful she will kill herself. Was real impressed he could plug the truck into the house during the Michigan winters during power outs and its capable of powering his house for a WEEK.

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BS LOL
Maybe able to keep the lights on and the fridge but not the whole house. He would also need an Inverter.
Randy Wells

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No your wrong Randy. Ford installs the equipment in your garage (yes, a inverter). Or has it done. And it will power the entire house for 3 days, all week without major draws like furnace.

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No I am right you said 7 days, and yes lights and fridge, no dryers or furnace, and yes batteries are DC, house is AC so an Inverter is needed. You can buy a 12 KW Generator probably cheaper then the optional equipment from ford to power your house and much more efficient and it will power everything.

Randy

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My house has a EU7000 Honda which was 6 grand. Then the manual transfer switch that I installed was around 1200.00. You can do the same thing with the Lightening for the 1200, and it will put out more power than my 7000 as it puts out 9000,and run your house for 3 days.Or just run extension cords from the Lightning to do the same thing without spending a dime other than the cords.. (I have everything except my hot water tank and dryer ran off the Honda.
https://youtu.be/P7gCIT5FoAw

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I like it, the problem is most Americans in there wildest dreams could not afford this, maybe some day it will be affordable for the average Americans, where I live and a lot of rural areas they have 100 A services, and to upgrade to a 200 A is thousands of dollars. Just another feel good toy for the woke liberal rich elites, I will keep driving my black smoke blowing Duramax, EGR delete, PVC bypass, EFI live and 19 MPG. I have been an electrician for 48 years, mostly industrial, but have wired a lot of houses and I have never wired a residential house with a 400 amp service, heck I don't think I would be allowed in that neighborhood, if everyone had a 400 amp service the grid would crash, unless we spend trillions of dollars to upgrade it and another few hundred coal burners, because green is not even close to supply this much power.

Randy

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With my setup I could just plug the truck into my existing 30A Inlet box plug on the side of the house that I use my EU7000 with. I would not have had to shelled out 6 grand for a Generator. I agree with you,that whole automatic transfer deal is for high dollar people. But this technology is amazing

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Your EU 7000 is AC power, your EV is DC, you still need an Inverter to power your house.vnew EVs use AC but they have a rectifier to convert it to DC, and most EVs are 400 to 800 volts, so if you used the AC side you would need a XFMR.

Randy

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How do they run with the extension cords then Randy? The truck already converts it. If you watch the video, he does exactly as I'm saying. The Lightning puts out 9KW of AC Power. Go to 25.39 -26:50 on the video. That plug only puts out 7000 watts (Like my Generator) but it's the same as having my Generator. My Honda uses 5 gallons of gas every 12 hours, or 10 gallon a day. 3 days would be 30 gallon. That's 100.00 worth of gas, at least. The Lighting can be recharged at about 20 dollars a 'tankful' of electric if charging at home. So it's a good bit cheaper.

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Jeff, the EV probably has a Inverter to convert DC to AC to power the AC motor and a rectifier to convert AC to DC to charge your batteries, so I can see how plugging in to you charging circuit could work for powering your house, if it 120v most newer EVs are 400v AC so you would still need a XFMR, just don't belive it is as efficient as they say. I really have not studied EVs just shooting from the cuff as a master electrician

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For the people trying to read Randy and my conversation I'll summarize to help out a bit.The plugs out the back of the Ford Lighting put out 7000 KW (watts) AC. Just like our Generators. You can plug them right into your house either using a manual transfer box or extension cords.. Ford says it will power up an average house for 3 days, at least. Randy disputes their that efficient. If you want the full 9000 KW (watts) you need to hook up to the same drivers side battery port as where you charge the Truck. This is Battery power DC and must be inverted to Household AC. Hence the need for all the expensive equipment. But also keep in mind, this is the first generation of these types of vehicles. They will get bigger, more powerful, and better as all this technology advances. The plan going forward is to someday allow your Trucks and EV's power to be purchased off of you, if you like, during brownouts etc.
I'm not a master Electrician like Randy, but was President of the United Electrical, Radio and Machine workers of America for the last 10 years of my employment and did quite a bit of this stuff myself.

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Then when the brown out is over everyone plugs their EV’s back in to charge them creating another brown out, only there’s no charge left in the EV’s to power your home. LOL.
By the way, how does your local electrical plant create electricity (fossil fuel?) In CA they don’t buy back your electricity at the same rate you pay for it so you lose money plugging in your EV.
More problems created by government meddling and then more laws and overreach to try to fix the problems they created.

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I was talking to Keven Panzeno a SS racer on this site. He was the Superintendent at Pittsburg power, a coal powered power plant. He says after about 5 o'clock, the usage goes down to about 30%, even on wide open peak days.The power companies are licking their chops to sell this power. EV owners charge their EV's at night while their sleeping. At least 90% of them.

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I live a few miles from Lake Elsinore in Murrieta CA. there is a power company working with the city to convince the public to allow construction of a new power plant and transmission lines. Their plan is to pump water from the lake up the mountain to a holding basin at night then release it back down to the lake through a generating station during the day. If they weren’t gouging us so much for electricity during the day this wouldn’t be profitable. (My summer payments for electricity run $800 - $900 a month)

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I just paid our electricity bill on our total electric home.280.00 Average taxes for a 200,000 ranch house in this area is 2000.00 a year. Insurance on my 23 Platinum Ford F-150 Truck, Sues 21 Titanium Edge and our ranch house is 1700.00 a year. I freaking hate the weather here, but it's easier on your wallet than you "land of the palm trees guys".

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Mike, You on Edison, I lucked out getting IID out here. The highest paid I was $480 and that is with two A/C units in August.

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SCE, I use to be in Anaheim Hills and my utilities were 1/3 of what I pay now. No relief in the winter because my propane cost goes up when my electricity goes down lol.

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Seems like the wonderful electric junk doesn't like cold weather. Some people spend 3 to
4 hours in the freezing cold trying to get enough charge to go home. Sure shows you how smart the idiots in Washington are.

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Yes , AND they were all warned !!!!

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Stay out of their road!

https://fordauthority.us13.list-mana...0&e=ef1e93f78e

https://youtu.be/IyagXYK6x2M

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They found something good to do with electric cars. lol

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The F-150 Lightning drew oohs and aahs from the press when it was unveiled in May 2021. Yet the electric pickup has been plagued with defects that have required recalls. It sold a mere 24,165 Lightnings last year and lost roughly $36,000 on each EV in the third quarter.
Jan 20, 2024

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Was just about ready to pull the trigger on a Volvo XC40 EV twin. 404 hp. The range was short and the interior only came in black. So we will wait see next model year and lease it for three years so we don’t behind the tech curve as it will improve in three years.

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Around here it seems that wrecked EVs are causing lots of damage in the local insurance lots. Over the summer there was a Tesla that smashed into a local business' sign at about 80mph. The fire burned for hours, after a total of about 5,000 gallons of water was used in attempt to extinguish it. The local wrecking crew wouldn't even put it on the back of his flatbed, so they put it in a dumpster, and hauled it to a local IAA yard. 2 days later, it rained, and low and behold, the car burst into flames again, and burned for another 4-5 hours. Last weekend, there were quite a few fire companies dispatched to "Raceway Park" for a vehicle fire. I thought to myself "hmm, a vehicle fire in the rain, I wonder what that could be...." Sure enough, a wrecked EV caught fire due to the rain, and burned up at least half a dozen cars around it. I was not surprised to hear that Ford shut down the EV plant last week due to lack of sales and high inventory. I may be wrong, but I'm thinking we're reaching a point where the people that want to buy EVs already have, or will soon. The lovely state I live in was discussing the eventual "ban" of selling new gasoline powered cars. Unfortunately I see that plan doing nothing but hurting the dealerships and manufacturers that are already having trouble moving inventory.

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Exactly!
When they plug in one too many EV’s ( poof) then maybe they will see the error… Maybe…but I doubt it…
This grid will never handle it!

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It’s ok for CA to mine lithium but not oil? I’m sure anything Ca is involved in will be in shambles quickly!
Watch them take over that land and hose owners there!

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Guess I'll "come out of the closet" and say I bought an EV(VW ID.4) 2 1/2 years ago and while there isn't a good business case for most in our instance it's worked well. In our area most electricity is nuclear sourced and until recently has been around .11/KWH (on average we use 3.5 KW per mile). 99% of our travel in that vehicle has been less than 50 miles from home so it easily charges overnight so I don't have to contend with a woefully inadequate charging infrastructure. Because of the weight it rides very well and with dual motors and AWD it handles amazingly well. As Eddie plans, I leased because of the tech curve deal even though leasing is typically a bad financial way to get into a vehicle.

There are a lot of valid counterpoints to buying an EV and the government's push of EV's has been way overdone but it's worked for us. One of my other drivers is a Maverick Hybrid which I really like and plan on replacing the EV with a plug-in hybrid. I have a six speed German car for 'grins' and I'm considering the EV my race car "carbon offset". Flame away...

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Here in SoCal the average is $.31kwh with complicated formulas of peak hours, off hours, daily allowances etc. You can even get a separate meter just for EV charging with its own rates. Now California wants to surcharge your electric bill based on how much income you make not on how much electricity you use!
They claim it goes after the wealthy to pay more but the first surcharge level starts at $28k per year and the top level only goes up to about $180k. It’s just a disguised tax hike on the lower and middle class. Typical from liberal democrats.
I’m sure Eddies66 has a nice pension so that should only cost him about $50-$70 a month more for the same electricity he uses now if it goes into effect this July.