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I am not against some of the "trigger cars" getting looked at. Including mine.

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Welfare? I, along with Alex Simmons could run just as fast or faster than Ryan. We choose not to, to help save the average. I think you're missing the point of my post. We know the potential of our cars. We don't need to be shown, "what's possible.

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My comment was in no way directed at you...

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Oh, I thought it was. Sorry

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How did the 2015-2018 427 N/A Copo get hp in Stock?

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Dean, I only saw the 2016-2023 427/470/492 get HP. That one is eager
to figure. I didn't see any earlier 427's get HP in Stock.

J.R.

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Mr PJ305 the -860 under was just there average over all , and if it is over -850 it gets HP . The amount of HP was off there fastest run what was in the -1.00 column . That's how I read the new system rules . I still wonder how many combos had an average of -849 ?

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What about Ben Line? He won Stock at the Lucas Oil Nationals with his 69 Mustang with a 428!

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Tony,
With all due respect.
Why then did you pick a COPO FS/AA with an index of 9.40?
Maybe a AA/SA '69 Camaro would have been a better choice.
Just an observation and not a criticism.
Frank

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I was a few of those -.6 and -.7 under runs (car N189), I was trying to help our averages, but I didn't know just how many runs more than .85 under had been made. Shame was I was at 7 races this year, but 3 were national opens, 1 was Indy, and the 3 divisionals were at the beginning of the season and at the first one I was troubleshooting computer issues and only had qualifying, at my second one at Lebanon Valley my flex plate decided to lose a few teeth and not start when I was the next car up in the staging lanes in round 1, and at Numidia I was dialing low 8.70s which would be -.70 under, but wound up on the breaks at the finish line seeing I was catching the other cars leading to me running a little slower than 8.75 so those few rounds didn't count. That actually happened round 1 against you Billy, I was dialed 8.72 and ran 8.78 so that run and my other elimination runs at the Numidia divisional aren't counted in the averages because I was just slightly too slow.

Honestly I don't care about the weight increase, I've been running the car heavy since I've had it to try to keep it slower, so I wont be adding any weight even with their hp increase. I think we need our index lowered in our class, or for them to make a FS/AAA with a lower index and weight break. Our natural class now doesn't exist, our hp to shipping weight ratio is 5.31, FS/AA is 5.50-5.99

Again I don't care about the weight added I just want to stay legal in stock, if we get hit again we'll have to weigh so much we won't be legal with our chassis certification. And like Tony said we could run that fast if we wanted to, just look at Indy, so could all the cobra jets, I know one cobra jet racer who has ran 8.04 at a national open, every car in our class is underrated, just there are more of us in the COPO than most the other cars so it's easier for them to play the game when they're the only one or one of 2 running their combo.

I hope they give us a FS/AAA with a weight break of 5.00-5.49 with a lower index, or do something with our current index.

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Frank, two reasons. First, I REALLY love the car. They are pretty badass. And when Jim Boburka told me he could get me one, I jumped on it.

Second, I came out of Top Sportsman. I ran that class for almost 20 years. My T/S car would easily run 6.60 to 6.80. So, when I decided that I wanted to try my hand at stock, I wanted the baddest, quickest stocker that was out there. And that was the S/C COPO.

So, basically that's why I went with what I did.

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Hey man,

I have a cool idea, we need to match race. We are so close in performance, and there is only one place we can run each other without destroying our combos. Lets figure out a place we can race without AHFS next season. Like maybe an open or just a test and tune at a division race. I think it would be pretty cool to see who is the badest FS/AA :) I know for sure I can get Numida to let us match race, but I'm sure the other tracks will work with us.

If we can get tracks to go along with this on a test and tune day, I think this would be cool for any class to show who is the badass!

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That's an awesome idea. I'd love to do that.

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Very cool, I know we have a few more cars in FS/AA, maybe we can do a shootout. Its a shame we spend so much time and money and we have to hold back. I'll working on putting this together, maybe even try to get some cash for the winner.

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I'd be up to it Ken, I want a remach after Indy;)

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Although Ken, you did win class at Indy. So right now, you have the baddest FS/AA car in the country.

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Skinny old man calling you out Tony

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LOL. And, he know's he has me covered

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We were all pretty close... I think it was more luck than anything else.


I don't know about having you covered, you out ran me at Columbus.

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I'm likin' this idea! 2 outta 3? 3 outta5? It would be great to have one of these at each Divisional and Natl. Open. Kinda like the "call-outs" at Natl. Events!

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Sorry JR-
I meant 2016-2023? I did not think each of those engines are the exact same?
and, who went fast enough to get it hit in stock?

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Lenny Lottig and Larry Dyck that I saw. Could be more.

J.R.

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My match race with Robin was the most fun I had all year!

Maybe you can talk the NMCA into letting you match race at Rockingham?

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COPO 427 So with HP hit are the 2022 427 COPO a natural FS/A or FS/B car im confused on classification guide it shows 6.49 and thought we were a natural FS/B car

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FS/B was good
Cliff Hysen hit FS/C pretty hard. The average in C was high since only a few ran it. I tried to go slow in C in St Louis to help the average but it did no help. I ran B all year except in St Louis

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It is now a natural FS/A combination. The natural class is based on the shipping weight given by the manufacturer when the combination is placed in the guide. It does not change.

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Ok thank you was the blown 350 ever a FS/A or was it always a FS/AA Thank You for the info Randy Guest

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The 19s and newer were always AA. For them to fit in A, they would weigh more than 3600 pounds. The 18s and older will fit in A.

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Not a big fan of Rockingham, my car moves around down track way to much.

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Hold the wheel straight and everything will be just fine! LOL!:)

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Oh come on man it was only moving around a couple feet best I could tell!🤣

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South Mountain would be very welcoming to some Match Race FS/AA GREAT VENUE!!! Guaranteed to bring spectators and FANS!

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I have nothing against South Mountain, I've only heard good things and hope to bring my car there sometime soon, but I think Stock and Super Stock match races would be more exciting in a 1/4 mile format. Would love to see it sometime this year in D1.

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Good morning Doug and to all,
You know, Where is more of the action during a run ? Everyone that I know mostly gravitates towards the starting line rather then the finish line. As long as the starting line has teeth, and no one's HP factor will be in jeopardy - I say why not ! We're running out of race tracks to race at, and if a couple of guys want to hang it all out, then they should be able to do so without fear of being punished for there hard work. At least it looks like this might not be a one shot deal, wasn't it suggested to be done at a couple of races? Why shouldn't we " Showcase " the fastest Stockers for all to see. I would much rather run Heads Up / all out - then Shoe Polish race any time. I realize that's my opinion but given an opportunity to have some "Fun" , it could be good for all.
Have a Good Day.
Merry Christmas and Happy & Safe New Year to All !

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

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They should have left stock alone and kept the 500 mass produced rule in place. And put the factory limited number cars in SS or comp. they never should have been in stock to begin with.
Also any combination that has to purposely run slow to bring the numbers down is obviously under factored to start with. That does not just include the cars in this discussion there are plenty out there,
Lastly stock is supposed to be a performance based class. Where guys spent tons of time and money to get a combo to go as fast as possible under the restrictive rules of stock.

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I hope that Santa brings you plenty of Kleenex...

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New 2023/2024 rule amendments just added. FS/AAA, AAA/S, AAA/SA.





Bret Velde
2003 I/SA

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Well, my new min weight is 3590 in FS/AA. My chassis cert is only good to 3600 pounds. It's going to be almost impossible for me to stay within 10 pounds. So, it looks like I'm moving to AAA. Good times.

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At least they are giving you a place to race in stock instead of making the combo a permanent SS combo.

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Any ideas on indexes for the new AAA classes?