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If that is true didn't they have 10.5 tires from Chrysler. How would that play out?

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I have run heads up many times in the EF/S car at the Jegs Sportsnationals and at the US Nationals and other tracks.Lost some and won some . Just ran heads up twice in the last 4 years at Indy US Nationals. There were 7 EF/S cars that ran this year and will be 3 more racing next year. I don't think any of us are hiding .

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Great answer Billy. Do you, by chance, remember what year that was?? I am thinking early 2000's. Maybe late 1990's.

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As I recall, they came with just skinny rolling stock from the factory. I am not sure they had a certain rear tire at that time. I could be wrong, but who knows for sure.

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Hey, tuff guy! Just where do you think the next generation is coming from! IF there is going to BE a next generation! Do you think that they're going to just hit up their Daddys up for a $100K car?
Yes they're "entry level" but not for the reasons that you think. You can go to any shop in the country and buy all of the pieces to put together a big-block Camaro and if you've got a little bit of tuning talent you can get it to run pretty well OR you can buy the tuning talent just like you bought all of the pieces for the car! They're "entry level" because you can't BUY ANYTHING for them, you've got to make the stuff and improvise.

You apparently DO "mind" FWD having said what you just said.

The "idea" of a "Dime Rocket" is (for me) to keep people in this game. Some time, you should get off of your "safe" combos (solid-lifter big-blocks and 327/275s) and try something difficult like a 307 Chevy or a 301 Pontiac (or an easy FWD combo) and see how that works for you.
I could be racing some of the combos that I have out in my big garage but I choose to spend my time trying to show potential Racers how they can compete and be competitive on a budget. But I guess that if I had done some of this stuff and told the readers how expensive it was going to be then you'd be OK with it?

Where did you see anything about FWD Racers not wanting heads-up runs? I wrote in one of my "build" threads that I hope that there would be 20 of those cars built. And I still do! And where exactly did I say that I want Stick combos running heads-up against Auto combos? I said that combining sticks and autos would make more common sense than combining RWDs and FWDs. Don't put words in my mouth!
What business is it of yours where I buy my car or what I paid for it and whether I buy "high end" parts (that don't exist anyway) or not! If the combo is in the guide and is built within the rules (probably more so than most BB and 327/275 Camaros) then we have a "level playing field". You can "make the investment" however you would like.

I'm not going to tell you how to spend your money but seeing as we're talking about "NHRA Stock Eliminator" here, please show me how and why "Stock Eliminator" heads and intakes are worth so much today? Why do the indexes need to be moved to keep these higher HP combos from having to slow down to keep from getting HP hits? Why do these higher HP combos suddenly "need" aftermarket heads and carbs and blocks that aren't available to the lower HP combos and FWDs?

It seems from where I'm sitting that you are one of the Racers wanting "diversity, equity and inclusion" here. The underclassmen aren't the ones shouting for all of the change! We just want a FAIR place to race!

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Thanks for the laughs.

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Time for more popcorn!

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I'm glad you liked it but you haven't responded to any of the questions or statements so I'll just guess that you're talking out your *****.

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No, Billy, you're wrong. I've made my argument. I've actually spoken to all of your points, it's quite obvious that you choose not to see it. I haven't resorted to insults, or smart remarks. At this point, the discussion has devolved into what it always does, and there's no need to continue, it's obviously pointless. You can take it for whatever you think it is worth. You can even think that you "won". At this point, I couldn't care less. I have work to do.

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Say what you like about Billy's style of racing but when i saw him take possibly the weakest small block chevy engine ever made and run under the index in a 4 door Nova with it I had to take my hat off to him. Nova 4 door with a 307 two barrell and 8 into one header, who would have thunk it other than Billy.

Billy, your 4 door Cavalier is sorta of ugly.

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Wow, I had hoped that transitioning from top dragster and comp to a different class would lead to some more friendly competition. I'm one of those individuals who has moved up into stock racing. My primary reason is that I am much more comfortable with the bottom bulb and prefer racing without any electronic aids. Additionally, I have grandchildren who are eager to race, and I don't feel comfortable putting them in dragsters at this time.

Now, regarding front-wheel drives, I'm not sure why some people believe it's an inexpensive option. It took me six months to source legal pistons, for a BF/S class. Furthermore, I've had to add 400 lbs to my car because it's a natural “A “car. The car is 20 lbs from B. Despite these efforts, it's nearly impossible to get anywhere close to A weight .

The front-wheel drive setup is far from cheap. I'll have invested a lot in my transmission about the same high-quality three-speed transmission. Hence, front-wheel drive racing is neither inexpensive nor easy. Nevertheless, there is a reward, as for now, it's fast.

In conclusion, I believe that everyone should focus on their own cars and be grateful that we have a place to race. Let's appreciate the opportunity to compete and continue to work on perfecting our own vehicles.

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I wonder if someone will build a 68 Hemi dart, or possibly 69 AMX. Maybe a few new combinations will open up from this AAA class

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A perfectly good reason why there needs to be at least a couple more FWD classes!

And NHRA, would you please try to get the manufacturers to put more FWD combos in the guide?

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There is/was a 69 AMX in Div 1 a couple of yearsago - believe car was sold - don't know where it is

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What young person is going to build a 301 pontiac or a 307 chevy? What young person is going to want to run a 17 second fwd 4 door car? I'm closer to 21 than you by a large margin and none of my friends have intrest in that.

You want to really do something to toot your class racer horn go out by a newer 17+ camaro challenger mustang of your choice DRIVE it to 5 divisionals and 3 nationals AND BE COMPETITIVE. I know your going to say BuT ThAtS nOt a DiMe RoCkEt, well it's relatable and most people in America can get a car loan.

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Well James, I suggested that only one person try a 307 or a 301. I certainly wouldn't suggest that a young person try it.
I'm gonna guess that a young person who wants to be involved in any kind of racing would jump at the chance to race anything that someone would put that young person in or that they could afford. If that young person wants to be "fussy" then they must not want to race that badly.
I don't need to "toot my class racer horn". I'm OK with the things that I've accomplished. At this point in my life, I'm good with trying to get others involved. If I wanted a new car, I'd have one. The "Dime Rocket" thing is just something I do to try and get people and young people involved who don't want or can't afford a car loan.

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How many young racers want to pay for an over priced membership, class number and entry fees. If they get passed that. They can afford a newer car too.there are no new less expensive combos in the books though..

Paul Haszlauer

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Paul, these are some of the reasons why we'll soon be extinct. I think I'll keep trying to get new people involved though.

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This is a good point, that I have tried to make in the past.

If a new racer can afford all this, plus $15 -$20 fuel, plus traveling 300-500 miles to Divisionals out here, then they can probably afford something that gives them a boot in the ***** and does a big wheelie.

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Someone suggested Junior Stock be re-designated and it seems like a good idea to me.

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I never questioned Billy's style of racing, his credentials, or his accomplishments.

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You are over 40 years LATE. I raced a 72 Ventura 307 2 barrel in 1982. I got down to 9.22 (1/8 mile), through the mufflers, on street tires, before the car was wrecked on the way home from Music City Raceway. Wasn't fast enough to play in the Combo races at The Hill.




If I want to race a slow vehicle, I'll put the Silverado in tow mode.

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How about a New Style Jr. Stock ? EXAMPLE: Let's say a Cobalt with a full cage, 9x30 (maximum) tire, Ladder bars, Engine Compartment and Front Suspension Rules same as Super Stock. Drivetrain Example: Stock Legal 1969 300hp. 350 engine, a Turbo 350 and a 12 Bolt. Obviously a Minimum Weight and Maximum Displacement would have to be determined. 4 Barrel Combinations only.

First of all you have a "Low Priced" Later Model Affordable Body, Front Half Rules already established, Rear Suspension available in Kit form. Steel Tubs. The remainder of the Construction would be as "General" in the Rule Book. The Build could be done at home in the Garage, just like "Old Times".

This is an example for Chevrolet. Ford and Chrysler would have their own picks. A Class like this would be called JR. Super Stock or Sr. Stock. Would something like this be encouraging? Just a thought. MB

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What are the indexes for the new AAA classes???

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Weight breaks. Haven't seen the indexes yet.
FS/AAA: 5.00 to 5.49
AAA: 7.00 to 7.49

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10.40

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I have been trying to get new (2005 and newer) six cylinder combinations in the books for nearly a year. Fun combinations that will run well. They need to be afforded the same discount on HP that was given to the challenger, mustang and camaro street version V-8s were given to be remotely competitive. I believe young people may bite on a 12 second reasonably cost effective stocker with the potential to go 11s.

It is not 1985 and you can’t build something with much curb appeal for cheaper.

I’m sorry if younger people want their junkyard 5.3 turbo LS with 40 lbs of boost before it scatters in 10 passes, they were never getting into stock eliminator in the first place.

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When I got started in stock in 2007, I had the car already, but still could build another one today very inexpensive. I had a 99 Camaro. I literally bought a long block LS1 from my work ( GM dealership) for $1700.00 bucks. Brought it home and called Bullet for a $375.00 camshaft and a set of springs (can't remember how much the springs were) put in in and ran it. Went 10.70's at 123 In C/S. It doesn't get much cheaper than that. The next year I pulled the heads gave them to Dave Layer, and said do your thing. He said what valves do you want to run? I said the ones that are in there, lol he looked at me and said Okay lol. That was $1700.00 bucks for his valve job. Took the car back to the track and went 10.48 at 127.90. .87 under in bracket mode. My point is it didn't cost me much to run and get started in stock at all ! I had less than $4500 bucks in the complete engine t/b to pan. So kids could go buy a junk yard 5.7 etc and camshaft and run 50- 60 under for way cheap ! Then work on it year after year gaining a little here and there and learning along the way. The class just needs to be advertised more I think. These big money class races are really cool and I hope they start getting bigger and bigger. Once you explain stock/super stock to people which can be difficult lol. They are like wait, you ran what with THAT how, LOL!

I work with a lot of guys that run the 5.3 turbo deal and when I tell them my stocker can run high 5's at what we have to use and weigh in the 1/8th there eyes get real big lol!


And once you get hooked into stock its over lol There is nothing like it IMO!!

And as far as the enhancements, new classes , and cars going faster and faster I think Stock eliminator is the best its ever been right now , just walk through the staging lanes sometime ,but I'm also only 49 years old :)

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Is it for newer or older cars ?

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I'm lost trying to figure out the path NHRA is taking. At one time if the car had at least 50 productions of a combination it was in the books. Like Paul wrote he has been trying to get a simple V6 2010 Challenger in the books. There is a newer Chrysler V6 in every third driveway. The other ones have Fords and G.Ms. The combos in the books for younger folks to build. Those combos are the cars rusting in the weeds.It is simple math. The street version 5.7 Hemi was put in the books at 25% less Hp than factory had it rated. They won't do it for the V6....Why?

Paul Haszlauer

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Also at this time. Correct me if I'm wrong. There is only one street version 5.7 and one 6.1 challenger running stock eliminator. I guess Chargers were never made. Maybe NHRA should wided the field in different areas first.

Paul

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I know some people from Dodge were going to put the newer Chargers in with NHRA, but the process was never completed. The cars are easy to obtain and plenty were made.

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You hit the nail on the head. For a while you could buy flood damaged cars from the big 3 with hazmat title so it would never be legal on the street. The V6 Camaro was about $3500. You had to use it in racing.

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Nhra is now allowing 572 engines in 2022 copo camaro. Nhra rates this motor at 500hp. First the 572 was never installed in any chevy,it is a crate motor only. Also chevy rated it at 621hp not 500. We used to sell these thru the parts department.

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GM won’t put it in unless it’s instantly competitive.

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Since I have been campaigning the first 572 COPO built, I call BS on that comment....

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My attempt at being funny Gump!

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Wow only 500??
And my little Hemi is 505! Lol

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In all fairness, what manufacturers would enter an engine combo that doesn't have HP as low as they can get it?

I get that!