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Thank you Rory for pointing this out for the underprivileged, what this post has taught me? Is that more people than I ever thought have reading and comprehension problems,those of you that participated with real life situations like I SIMPLY requested thank you. For those of you that are so needy that you have to give me your option of that I didn?t need to know,no really I didn?t,I couldn?t afford a participation trophy for you cause I?m paying large amounts of taxes do to our last 3 yrs of this regime. Chad

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Since people want to get specific about Stock and Super Stock.

In the NHRA 2024 rule book there is only ONE reference to the word CHILLER and that is in the "General Regulations" Section 21 Page 5.

Stan

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Seeing some members are more special than others. There needs to be CR rules to segregate the different NHRA classes to prevent cross contamination of thoughts, opinions or any differing opinions in a section they supposedly don't belong in. *NOTE* I'm sure some of the specials will take this seriously! :rolleyes:

I primarily bracket race but have run the .90s/Index classes also. My favorite class to watch or learn from is Stock.

IMO, there's no grey area in regard to chillers outside the competitor's pit. I'm sure there's very good reason for the chiller rule & reminder.

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Well Mr. Weiss, ya got me there,Let me explain this a little.My first National event was in 1975 so I?ve been around a while.Nhra has always allowed us to chill at the back of the staging lanes for yrs and their only request is to not do this in the lanes which I believe we have all been respectful of that and here lies the problem in all fairness to the racers they have allowed it due to parking situations as some of us aren?t so fortunate to park up close or run out of a Pro pit and if you have raced in the last 15 yrs or so the sportsman are getting pushed further and further away from the lanes,so with their notice the other day of the chiller rule I was simply asking if anyone has had any negative encounters of this,so I and many of us know the rule,it ain?t that new,just look what my curiosity started in a simple little post,it got the rule book police all riled up,we have all pushed the rules to the limit it?s just in most people nature,have a good day sir !

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Statistics of some of Ed's posts by section;
11 .90 Heads Up Class Racing
105 Bracket Racing
769 Stock and Super Stock
837 Stock and Super Stock Tech

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you're short 135 posts! :p

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You clearly missed the point of my post.


You have a good day also.


Stan

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I know Einstein. Unsurprisingly you missed the point of my post.

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As my Boss at Oldsmobile use to tell when he wanted to change something that we had been doing for a long time. NOTING IS FOREVER!

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And maybe entice some new racers into the classes. Silly me, I thought stock actually meant stock. Lets see, aftermarket lightened block, aftermarket stroked crank, aftermarket rods, pistons with radial gas ported rings, oversize cam core, moved lifter bores, Jesel rockers, aluminum heads, replacement carburetor etc etc etc. Nothing really stock here

You need to go to opens to set records and worry more about lowering the class average to not get hp. And aside from the occasional heads up, its just a shoe polish bracket race. Seems the real winners here are the engine builders

A quick question though, when is breaking the rules not cheating. Integrity is a weird premise sometimes. If I hide my delay box and dont get caught, am I a hero or zero. When is cheating not cheating? asking so I know what to tell my wife

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When was the last time a Pro Ball player admitted they trapped/dropped a ball? Missed a tag? etc. Coach admitted the ref/ump missed a call that should have been in the opposing teams favor? Politicians? You have a monumental question there!

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Stock and Super Stock really is not just a bracket race Bracket cars only have safety rules,Stock and Super Stock have a huge amount of firm rules they have to ahere to,engine specs chassis rules etc

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That's right Don, and those "firm rules" are so strictly enforced right?
But you can trust me! ;-)

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They should be!

(It really sucks to get beat heads-up by .01 when the guy in the other lane has just been allowed to break a bunch of these rules and tech made you take your ice off before you entered staging...)

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After reading this thread I started to realize the differences with other categories and I thought of how we are all at the same track, running different machines, in different individual classes, that we all, on occasion, watch other categories. And are aware of the different scenarios each face, yet our opinions surface and our true colors are exposed. With this, I have a confession to make.

" I run in one of the slower classes in Stock Eliminator, and I have friends that run in T/S and T/D, also SC, SG, and SST. And even some bracket racers."

Ron Ortiz

ok, ok and Jr. Dragsters.

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I'm guessing no towing your stocker to the lanes with a golf cart then? :p

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They let us tow to the lanes last year because a few did not pit with the rest of us! I hope the same people to the same thing this year because towing is alright by me!!!!!

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so is a baggie of ice considered a "chiller" ?? asking for a SS guy :)


captain

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Ice bags should be legal, when you pick them up wipe any water up with a towel. Can you still pack the intake with ice or no as long as it is in a zip lock bag?

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I think this is ok. You just have to remove them before you leave the staging lanes to race. No water drips on the track or you are out.

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Will you guys please post some photos of your Chiller set ups?

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I think we should all agree that after leaving your pit spot no one raises their hood until fuel check.

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Wouldn`t it be great if NHRA allowed all the class car that are not allowed to tow to the staging lanes, pit close to those staging lanes, so they don`t get their engines too warm, and let the classes that are allowed to tow to the staging lanes, pit further away, since engine heat is not a concern? Common sense, I know, and unlikely to ever happen, but when you have to drive, thru the crowded pits from 1/2 mile away, and not allowed to cool the engine, certainly can put such vehicles at a performance disadvantage, especially in the case of a heads up race. Of course, I really doubt that NHRA officials would ever want the spectators to have to walk past a bunch of lowly Sportsman cars to get to the "PRO" pits, so they can get some autographs of the Nitro stars.

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The Pro pits bring in the spectators. No Pro show, NO INDY, NO NHRA.....

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EXACTLY! You ain't special and the spectators ain't there to see you.:D

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Kind of like all the illegal blinders

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Again, no victims, only willing participants!

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I heard from a rep that the use of chillers is going to be the same as always. Behind the lanes is ok, in the lanes, not ok.

I remember in Topeka one year the tech guys were checking fuel cell temps because several were dropping dry ice in their fuel cells.

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Was the co2 gas oozing out the vent like a decoration at Halloween Jim?

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Exactly, check out the bleachers at most Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series events.. Known also a "points meet"

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ok I "think" that the sportsman brings more money to NHRA. The membership fees, the entry fees, the advertising by manufacturers that cater to the sportsmen who buy the parts, etc., and I suspect just maybe now NHRA gets paid for TV rights, as well as if there were no sportsmen in the pits. They would look like nothing is happening for the"event" or 'Show." The fans would walk around and say where are all the race cars? Could you get my point now? I just bet if we ask the NHRA accountants about the sportsman impact that they bring approximately 3 million per year, they would be happy to receive the income:rolleyes:

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2022 NHRA Tax Return



https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...349311453/full

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Is there a specific rule against that?
Asking because I really don't know...

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$828,329 $615,832 $501,319 $425,042 $343,421 $344,819 $257,245 $248,798 $165,477 $138,134
NON PROFIT Is all you need you know!

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General Regulations section 21 page 5
1:5 Fuel Systems:

"Fuel/Air: Any method of artificially cooling or heating fuel prohibited (i.e., cool cans, Freon, wet rags, etc.), except as noted in Class Requirements. Cool cans, wet towels, etc. are permitted in Super Stock, Stock, Super Comp, Super Gas, Super Street, and E.T. classes. Wet towels, rags, ice, etc. must be removed before vehicle leaves staging area. Coolers, chillers, etc., where permitted by class requirements, are prohibited outside of the competitor?s pit. Ambient-temperature air only; cooling or otherwise changing the conditions of the intake air is prohibited. Spraying of intake with any artificial spray or coolant prohibited."

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Are many cars equipped with cool cans?

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In one sentence it says (i.e., cool cans, Freon, wet rags, etc.) prohibited...
Then it appears to say permitted in the next...
Nothing like clarity...

So I guess you can't insulate your fuel cell either...

Idle mind is the workshop of the devil...

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Never suggested there should be no "Pro" cars, but do they have to be right next to the staging lanes, considering that they are all towed up to the staging lanes, and towed back to the pits? Does it really matter where the Pros park? The hero card and autograph collecting spectators will go to wherever the pros park.

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yes

yes

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So let me get this straight,if your wife?s battery goes dead in the staging lanes at Sonoma you wouldn?t be able to charge her battery for her. Paula ! Mike?s gonna need a hall pass on this one 😂🤣