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Gump? I?m sure he knows.

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I'm not talking about your nor your mom's daily driver, they ain't showing up to compete at BIG $ bracket races like the flings and if one does show up they ain't winning.

I'm talking about dedicated, purpose built bracket cars, top bulb race cars and they are not street legal. So yes about $40k on the low end and $175 on the high end. Yea you can do it cheaper, just like you can race a "dime rocket" in stock but who really wants to and those cars aren't winning races much less championships in either venue today.

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How important is qualifying? Is a good question, with lots of answers, many have no right or wrong answers. If you like to be fast, then #1 is your spot and always give you the highest possibility of a bye run first round..
full field qualifying definitely is important or you don't race, so that probably be when it is most important..
Playing the ladder for possible bye or avoiding someone can help, but is a crapshoot that you can get one of the spots you need, no harm in trying.
I understand all these strategies, for the most part.
Alot of my strategy is really simple..... keep it simple, don't overthink it.....drive the best I can....none of it matters if you don't have some luck...then some days or years I just can't drive...

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There might be a lot of bracket racing going on, but stock and especially super stock are not bracket cars. If my stocker was a bracket car only, there would be a lot of things I would be changing on it.

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But it IS bracket racing

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But it IS bracket racing
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Unless you have a heads-up. These are not big motor, big tired cars on alcohol with a power glide trans. They are heavy with loose converters with too small of a tire,not enough carb,nasty little camshafts. I race both and have won in both. Both of them are challenging, but they are different.

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a heads up that the vast majority of stock racers look to avoid, playing the ladder, hoping to avoid a heads up race in the 1st round, early rounds, counting on another class racer ending the fast guy?s day in a handicapped start with shoe polish on his window. Again it IS bracket racing and while I’m stating the TRUTH again, I’ll continue by also stating many of the fast guys are just fast guys that don’t have the skills at either end of the track so they are an easy win for drivers that do have the skills.

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As Stock/SuperStock Racers, we have some confessing to do. We are not
Semi- Professional Sportsman Racers. Regardless of investment, Engine,
Transmission, or Differential R & D research we do, no, we don't cut it.
Thinking we have made life long friends through our racing, Sorry, not
allowed, we are supposed to have enough friends, no new friends allowed,
NO FRIENDS FOR YOU, TWO YEARS, As a famous Food **** once
said. We are not having fun, we should be ashamed we are in these
Classes. DO NOT pretend we having qualifying, Heads UP Races, that some peoples goals are having a fast car, some like consistent cars, others
like their cars to be show quality. These preferences will know longer be
allowed, as outlined in the new 2025 Rule Book- Racing **** Rulebook,
to be published soon. Anybody appearing to be doing R&D, going far under their index, Winning Class, or generally having fun, will be suspended for up to 2 Years, and fines depending on level of enjoyment you appear to be having. No Appeals allowed, as you are not as smart as publisher of new rules, so why waste time in a battle of brains, when we are just not worthy.

J.R.

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So what part of the TRUTH and the FACTS didn’t you like that fueled your unhinged rant about your fellow stock/super stock racers?

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This is a great point that gets overlooked a lot on here. Although STK/SS is, for the most part, a shoe-polish race once eliminations begin, these cars are not easy to drive or predict. Tuning a q-jet, footbraking with no two-step, and hand shifting a three speed is not the most efficient way to bracket race at all. But those are the rules for the class (at least my combo, anyway) and make it challenging in its own unique way.

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Ok well you did not specify that you were only talking about the pinnacle of bracket racing in the post I was responding to. We all know a minivan is not winning at the fling, but it can win sportsman at your local track. That's all I'm saying. I wish more people, young people, would get out and do that so our sport can continue to flourish.

When you threw out the 40k number, you said nothing about competing for big money. You said "Meanwhile bracket cars today cost around $40k on the low end to $175k on the high end....Nothing cheap about bracket racing today either." Nothing about that sentence indicates the caveat.

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Dawson, just an fyi, I bracket raced with a QJet carb atop the 396 and later the 454 in my Chevelle for 8 years and manually shifted the 3 speed trans in my Chevellle for the entire time I raced it, over 3000 passes, with the stock “staple” shifter, no gates, nothing to prevent the shifter from going from 1st gear to neutral, winning a lot of rounds and races, as well I manually shifted the 3 speed trans in my Firebird from the 1st pass in it back in 2008 and through 2018, again thousands of passes. Both cars were easy to drive, it was not challenging nor was it difficult to tune my Q Jet and predict its ET’s and neither had a 2 step. Maybe I’m a better tuner and more coordinated than some running stock eliminator. ;)

Well now I’ve clarified my statement about bracket cars for you but surely you knew I wasn’t taking about taking mom’s daily driver to a Friday night trophy race.

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Did they also have stock heads, intake, valve lift, flat tappet lifters, bore, stroke?

Also you don't run those combos now, why change if it was so easy? The tried and true formula for bracket racing is a 4bbl carb, transbrake, glide, aftermarket engine, big tires and methanol. 0 of that is common or legal in stock lol (unless it came with the right carb from the factory, all combos vary).

You may have found consistency and success with it in the past, but you can't argue it is the most effective way to bracket race. Otherwise 99% of accomplished bracket racers are doing it wrong lol.

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My Chevelle was always more stock than maybe any stocker in the country!, right up to the day I sold it in 2008. Yes stock heads, manifold, carb etc. back in the day when I made my 1st pass in it running 15.34 at almost 4100 lbs. through full factory exhaust with exhaust manifolds and through 1999 IIRC and running in the 12’s

I sold it because I had run quicker and faster than I ever had plan to with it and didn’t want to cut up a real stocker that also weighed nearly 3900 lbs. to be legal as well as safe to run consistency deep in the 9s as it was capable of.

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I know I’m your hero, imitation is the best form of flattery.:p

You’re WRONG again! Dawson and nich cares and liked my replies. p

Now run along son and get back to representing the scumbags you do!

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Qualifying towards the top is very important. It's not easy to figure out how it all works. I'm still trying to figure it out myself. I have a ton of respect for the guys and gals that have it figured out.

Class racing is a totally different sport vs bracket racing where you can run your grandma's Buick Century. Bracket racing was created so even the fat kid stood a chance at winning a race.....lol

Mike
A/SA

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Since you like to talk, will I see you at Indy, Groundstrap?

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Several of your competitors that replied here including the one that started this thread disagree with you and I personally know numerous stock eliminator racers that are/were bracket racers that too disagree with you.

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This message is hidden because 1320racer is on your ignore list.

"how important is qualifying"

Just a reminder what the thread was about before being hijacked because you people keep responding and quoting him. How has this improved class racers lives? How has his extraordinary wisdom benefitted the thread???

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Yea you can do it cheaper, just like you can race a "dime rocket" in stock but who really wants to and those cars aren't winning races much less championships in either venue today.[/QUOTE]

I put my "dime rocket" together for less than 8K 2008 dollars and I've done ok. If I was 40 years younger and a better driver, I'd probably done a lot better. And yes for me it's been a shoe polish show, never had a heads up.

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1320 You have to be the biggest ***** H0L3 on this earth did you some how think you took the GRUMP'S place in the automobile world with all of your I know everything and you all are a bunch of dumb a$$es, Keep looking in the mirror and stroking your Carrot face it you have done shi$ in racing S or SS and your son has done everything in the 90 classes Nuff Said.

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Jim, I like when I'm quoted because it unhinges some here. :D

If you're happy being a 1st and 2nd round player more often than not, then I would a agree, you've done ok.;) BTW, that $8k would be over $12k today

Mario, clearly you don't leave the rock you live under. :p but at least you acknowledged that my former super stocker is badass :p

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The only reason I saw what he posted is because JJ quoted him! Otherwise he’s blocked!
Knowing the guy who built his Chevelle motor, not even close to stock! Big cam, big compression, big carb , big manifold and head work. ��*♂️
Who are you fooling? Get off your pigmy pony horse and leave the real class racers alone.
Just making yourself look foolish. It?s not funny and it?s not helpful.
You aren?t qualified to comment on any class car on this site.
The only thing you?ve worn out besides us is the keyboard!
I stand by your new name! D. E.

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another that no longer races and when he did was an also ran!

Talk about what you know, not what you think you know.

Not fooling anyone, I never stated the 468 was stock, I stated the 396 was.

That said, you do not KNOW the guy that built the 468, I know him, you maybe conversed with him on a forum and it did NOT have a Big cam, did NOT have big compression, did NOT have a big manifold and the heads were port matched with a bowl blend that over many years morphed into fully ported and it was worth ZERO on the time slip from the port match and bowl blend.

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No more quoting the little guy from me. I finally blocked him too. His “truth and facts” come from parts unknown to anyone but him. Kinda like all his self proclaimed success.

Funny. He’s been a member here for about 18 years according to his profile. Not sure if he fell off the wagon, the old lady left, or he hit his head, but groundstrap has been on one for about the last 6 months. Don’t know why a self professed bracket racer with no interest in class racing has any interest in posting here, but I guess when he’s out of options, we get to deal with it.

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Unless someone posts his banter I can?t see it but I?d like to thank ClassRacer for letting this guy take the Class out of CR .
Great Job!

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I blocked him today also. Best thing I did for myself all day!

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Really? That is very Interesting.



Stan

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That seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me!

Until you have raced a competitive Class car, your comments hold little water. I am not really interested in hearing about what your "friends" told you about it. I want to read about your accomplishment in this field.

Bottom line, show me a qualifying sheet with you on it, a class trophy that you won, a top ten finish in your Division, etc.....

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Again, this thread was started by one of your own who stated what YOU do is bracket racing and that statement was supported by other stock eliminator racers that agreed. You didn’t “hear” anything from me and if your not interested in reading the opinions of others then you know what to do.

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I put my "dime rocket" together for less than 8K 2008 dollars and I've done ok. If I was 40 years younger and a better driver, I'd probably done a lot better. And yes for me it's been a shoe polish show, never had a heads up.[/QUOTE]


Sweet car, bye the way

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can we come to an agreement and say that class racing is a glorified bracket race with a twist of taking old parts and making them haul a22 for what you are working with.

ep

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Tell that to everyone at the Baby Gators in a few weeks when they are prepping to run Class!!

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yes, glorified or not depends on who you ask but bottomline it IS bracket racing.

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Tell that to the guy that drove 6 hours to the track and now has a heads up race 1st round against a competitor thats five tenths faster.

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I've already stated the FACTS and the TRUTH about heads up runs in this thread and thank you :D

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Jared, groundstrap is pretty tame, you need to come up with a better one.
Who is this guy, doesn't use his real name.

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Hi Jim!

Groundstrap, because he’s always negative. Picked that up from others on here.

His name is Ed Bigley. His son, Kyle, is a really good driver in brackets and the super classes. You’ll find some stuff if you Google him. Ed? Not so much.