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Disappointed with some of my fellow racers . So if YOU do not use a 2 step , then NO ONE needs to use one ?? C?mon guys, you all are better than that ….

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And you just made the point I was trying to prove.

If you choose to not use an air/e-shifter, does not mean that NO ONE should be able to use one?

The new air shifter rule does not require anyone to use one.

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Could the same logic be applied to the air shifter? The air shifter may allow some combinations to be more consistent, like the older combos to be more consistent with the newer combinations.

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I get what you're saying. But we were able to predict the ET of the Camaro (69 427/425 AA/SA) within 0.01, or less, every pass, with a full manual valve body and a Quarter Stick 2 shifter. It was every bit as consistent with that as it was with an auto 1-2 shift valve body.

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I gar on tee...
If they pass that rule, every auto car in the lanes will have an air shifter...

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There is already a lack of new blood coming into the sport. The costs will continue to rise from astronomical, to unobtainium.

Austin where does it stop? I would like fuel injection, four-link rear, CNC ported heads, air shifter, turbo's, blowers, Comp styled pistons, and any other addition that another competitor may have. I'm sure there are the stick shift guys that would like to use an air shifted clutchless transmissions (contrary to another post ProMod's are using automated air shifters, I do not know about any of the other classes).

PS, I personally know of three racers that are using an E-shift in 60's and 70's cars that had non-electronic transmissions. easy to find in a non-invasive inspection.

The secondary question will be...When stock and superstock are combined will NHRA pay out for the second car a driver who routinely enters the two classes? or...will double entrees be allowed. Then in an effort to level the playing field, will other drivers be allowed to double enter a single car, or will there be buybacks.

Once again Austin...where will this DEI program to level the playing field stop?

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Bill , If "Joe Racer" sees a perceived advantage for HIM, He'll have an automated shifter in a minute... "It's only money"

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DEI?wow.

Flipping the question around you. If air shifters would result in an increase in participation, would you be in favor?

Speaking personally, I haven?t raced stock since 2021 due to racing other classes. However, there is still a stocker sitting in the shop. With an air shifter rule, I can put anyone in the stocker and have an ease of mind that they will handle the car the correct way. That?s speaking from a personal opinion.

NOTE: I am not on SRAC, or was in any way involved in the discussions with SRAC or NHRA.

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Mark, Where will it end? CNC heads, is that the end? "It's only money"; Four-link srear suspensions? "It's only money";... etc.

I do not agree with a lot that has been allowed over the years. However, I have begrudgingly adapted...and will continue to do so. At this point in my life I have the means. However, in the late 90's I ate tuna fish and lunchmeat sandwiches for three weeks while TDY, just so I could buy a Hedworth Carb, and an autometer tachometer.

I figure I have another 10 years (15 on the outside) before I'm done. I would like to see a 10 year moratorium on performance enhancements and other DEI enhancements, or enhancements given out every ten years. with no enhancement given out during the interim period... but I am only dreaming.

Maybe NHRA could re-implement a rolling year's legalization of cars. Only cars that are 10, 15, 20, or 25 years old. That way the field would be level, as everyone would have a newer car with all the bells and whistles.








Last paragraph TIC, i do not want to give NHRA any ideas.

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It?s already a rule for 2026

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My Ranger won’t. Travis’ Mustang won’t.

We regularly run our bracket cars in pro, which allows air/electric, and they don’t. They also allow transbrakes and we typically footbrake (haven’t had Transbrake hooked up for 7 years now). Just because it’s available doesn’t mean we will all have it. I still footbrake the Mustang when I run it in stock and hope to do the same with the Ranger once we get it redone.

I’m not firm on whether I want them in the class or not. But I am firm that I want the class to actually speak up on the issue and do what is truly “wanted” and “in the best interest” of the class as a whole.

My .02 worth very little of course! I’m just a young pup in a slow car that’s totaled when I have to change the tires as someone once put it on here

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POLL Within a Poll

I figure we might as well all know exactly what we're talking about here..

Who is racing a car in Stock with an original electronically controlled transmission?

1, Billy Nees
next ....

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I don’t know what all the fuss is? With that damn bright shift light screaming at me to shift I’ll bet the difference with a rpm/timed air shifter is barely perceivable. Heck we leave the line on a bright light trying to get good reaction times, how much different is that than shifting on time from another bright light?

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This is the best comment I have heard yet.

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I read in the rule book last night the air and electric shifters will be permitted in stock eliminator in 2026. So it looks like it is happening. Auto shift is legal now if it is done internally as a function of the transmission Also legal if the transmission is shifted by the ECM. I guess they are doing it to even things up with the older cars that haven?t been allowed auto shift previously. Of course you do not have to make the switch if you don?t want to.

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Does that mean with or without a clutch ? Asking g for a friend ?

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I am right there in front of you down track, really not that hard to find (the guy you are chasing and screaming down upon at twice plus the mile an hr...maybe now not as far out there, for the next 2 races still in D, but slowly getting a bit quicker...add me to the list that actually ?ants to shift the car manually a lot higher than is right now shifting, which is a bit more than it wad a few weeks ago when that 84' factory ecm/pm (with that rotten low gear safety at 4,800 rpm that shut off the only injector I have), finally came out and was boxed up for good I hope! I cannot wait to finally manually shift again, and see exactly how far under I can run under index. And if I can drop down a class and finally race it in it's natural DF/S at Pomona in 2026! Then will need to adjust the weight a bit up from bottom of DF/S (was .797 under last pass in Nov. 2023 there in D with that safety so maybe tickling the 1.30 danger Will Robinson point ,if I kept in EF/S?)

List me as a no vote on the air shifter as I could have an internal elect. Valve body w/ rpm or time activated box built (was quoted about 5 times the cost of an air shifter to do a 1 off for an A413 Transaxle by Tur;o Action 3 yrs ago). Let the older computer controlled EFI w/ non-Comp Trans cars use the air shifter option (but noooo, they will make us do the more expensive route). Change the phrase computer controlled car to comp.controlled transmission in the except portion of the rule and I can just add the air shifter to my B& M gate shifter cheaply. And then spend more time looking in my mirrors likeI do now on at much higher rpm shift points. As you all rocket and missle down on my rear end as usual. A 1 off electronic shifter pkg for an adapted A413 (that fits the existing rule), is in the 2K$ plus range.

At least at T.A. that already makes them for other cars (just not my combo yet). And I am a unicorn 🦄 of 1 not listed in their existing offerings. If you need an Air Shifter to hunt me down you have more issues than shifting.

I'll shift it thanks. And have fun doing it!

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Not me only elect. Item on it (my transaxle), is the reverse lockout switch.

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Add me as a no.

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I cannot vote as I race in Sweden, but we race by NHRA rules, so I will just offer my opinion if I may.

I love Super Stock, and it makes sense that their rules are not the same as ours in Stock. But why thin the difference between the two classes? Why should we wish to not even shift gear in our cars? Many use the governor already to shift 1st to 2nd, if you are so concerned, why not use the governor to shift 2nd to 3rd? Why robotise your car? :rolleyes:

Isn't it boring if it's too easy?

Next it will be transbrake, then delay box, then we may well all move to Super Gas or do away with the driving altogether and just operate our cars out of a console on our laptops. Then we can sit in our motorhomes while we race. :eek: I am 66 and will race as long as I am able to get in the car. :D If you can get in the car, you can shift gears. If you cannot, you shouldn't get in the car at all. :mad:

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It's a NO for me. Stop changing Stock. We run the class because of the rules and specs we have to follow, that's the challenge.

There is an absolute advantage to the car shifting itself. In a faster car, if you miss the shift in first gear, your ET is affected. Some cars go faster, and some cars, like mine, slow down if you miss the shift.

If you want to have an RMP-activated shifter, go race one of the Super classes.

Mike
3020 A/SA

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Idea...pay incentives for using less nannies on your car!

- Footbrake vs 2 step on auto cars = $250 bonus
- No auto shift = $250 bonus
- Clutch vs auto = $500 bonus! :)

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I like the ideal of everyone, I'm racing shifting themselves, but I'll be letting a clutch out with my left foot and grabbing gears with my right hand and either way, win or lose I just had fun!!
I'm right handed and left footed.

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Say no to air shifters in Stock Eliminator! If you want air shifters, roller lifters, etc., etc., go race Super Stock. Simple as that.

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I like others also wish at was as Simple as many say ,a number of years ago it would have been simple to just say no keep it stock , today things have changed remember that in the early 70's when Prue Stock started ,no headers etc., etc., but as we all know everyone was asking for many changes , heads, blocks, pistons, rods, Valves, valve springs ,crankshafts, carburetor's, electric water pumps , other transmissions, that never came in the cars ,clutches, and stick transmissions also , to say go race Super Stock witch I did ,and still do along with stock is not what all the changes in the past are about ,the new car's of today in stock, the one's that we Seniors those like me racing the fifty plus old cars would like to have many of the etc. , etc., that the new cars have to level out the playing field ,at this point in time I for one see no harm in change seems to me by the looks of all the changes in Stock over the years others feel the same .

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I Think Bill Grubbs said it well
Not a Fan of air shifters in stock
and I am a old guy LOL !!!

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It is very hard to slow down constant refining of many things, just about
impossible with the minds that racers have. Example- I used to race Stock
and then I moved "Up" to Super Stock, and then completely lost my mind
and went into Comp Eliminator. As this was happening, my two young
sons were starting to grow up, and their sports activities, school activities,
friends, etc etc. Their Mother didn't see racing fitting into this program, so
I retired, sold everything, and missed racing dearly. Boys graduate College,
move out, chase girls, forget Dad's phone number unless money required.
What a wonderful time to get back in to racing. I'm just going to get a little
Stocker, if it runs 40-50 under, I'll be happy. I lied. Next thing I'm getting
heads done, which you have to stand in line for, special rings with gas ports,
apparently a stock crank isn't good enough any more, and on it goes. It turns out all this stuff costs more than when I ran Comp. So much for my little budget Stocker. Racing has gotten ridiculously expensive, and will continue to do so. J.R.

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So, let?s say I have a 69 Camaro running in A/SA with a Turbo 200 transmission and my opponent is running a 99 Camaro in A/SA with a Turbo 200. Heads up race, but he/she has the TA auto shift in their car. Why should they have a precise shifting advantage over me? Just because they have the newer car? About time NHRA is making things equal for everyone. Dyno

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If they outlaw the automatic trans shifting itself does this mean the transmissions shifted by a governor will be outlawed also? Many racers already have a valve body that is adjustable to shift anytime you want it to.

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That's a good point but IMO a 69 Camaro in A/SA should have a Turbo 400.

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As we all know, neither car came with a Turbo 200, but they both use them.

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Paul Precht, while I fully understand your comment about the '69 Camaro
having a Turbo 400 in it, the reality is that the horse is so far out of the barn,
that the horse out of the barns offspring have gone to the big glue factory
in the sky, a long time ago!!

J.R.

PS- the guy that built the valve bodies for the 400's name was Adam. His
wife Eve ran the front office.

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So I can start my A/SA 69 Camaro build now and install that port fuel injection like the 99 has?

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Maybe many on here would be better off keeping their absurd ,unreasonable statements to them self's , many on here are only trying to covey change is needed with in reason , taking a BBC 69 Camaro ,and installing fuel injection, has nothing with running a Metric 200 ,rather it's a C4 ,Torque Flight, or any other transmission in cars that did not come in them ,that was decided years ago , the topic here is with all the auto internal shifted automatics with a governor already running in stock, and is there a need to use a external auto shifting device rather than a internal one.

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Your 69 Camaro combo with a complete aftermarket engine is not going to benefit from fuel injection as much as the aftermarket parts your allocated. The HP ratings compared to comparable Dyno numbers point that out weekly that the gen 4 Camaros are way over factored with the components allowed.

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So far on here I have yet to read the real reason that the external shifting devices were
going to be allowed in 2026, from my experience in Super Stock the agility to change the shift points between rounds to change the et was a benefit for me ,and others, it has evolved to not only change the shift points between round to control the shift points along with other electronic functions ,I am not going to go into all that electronics have helped in et predictions , again it all has to do with a level playing field with the new cars with electronics ,and the old cars with some electronics but not all the new cars have .

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I mentioned earlier I don?t care one way or the other but if It?s yes or no, I?ll vote no.
I have the ?agility ? to change shift points between rounds also, it?s called shift light. Just move the little dial on the tach and boom, my shift point has changed 😁
For me it?s ?keep it simple? too much wiring, air bottles and timers is just more ways to have a problem crop up at the wrong time. From my old days of running super gas I know the more buttons, linkage, air bottles and timers I can adjust the more ways I find to lose.

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Or a stick!
AKA; A/S

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It's called "Mission Creep"...
Or boiling the frog...
Or Santa's Magic Dust...
A little for me...
A little for the reindeer...
A little more for me...
A little MORE for me...

That's how yu get to '69 Camaro with roller lifters and fuel injection in Stock Eliminator...

Just sayin'

Oh yeah...
Forgot 9" with a four link...
And coil overs!...

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Mark, please define "original electronically controlled transmission". To my knowledge this has always been a gray area within NHRA.

Is it legal to run an internal electronic solenoid shifted valve body in a car like mine that only had a computer controlled TCC from the factory?

Or is it only legal to run an internal electronic solenoid shifted valve body in a car that came with an internal electronic solenoid shifted valve body?