Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 711852)

Well ! ! ! 38 posts and not one ( 1 ) stinkin picture .........

Originally Posted by Jared Jordan (Post 711803)

Personally, I?m more concerned about mystery buttons in the interior and cars that stutter and break up in high gear while they miraculously run dead on the dial.

Originally Posted by Pete Lanciers (Post 711876)

And that brother is an absolute NO ****TER!!!

Originally Posted by Cglrcng (Post 711828)

Who got the win on the slip Frank?

Originally Posted by Bob Gullett (Post 711780)

Trust me. You couldn?t believe the comments at Vegas about this. He was allowed to run the national and Div race with it but before first round in S/SS cars were all checked for blinders.

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711966)

So, based on the ruling in Vegas, this is legal, right? I whipped this up in about a half hour here at the shop. I?ll run this by tech at Carolina Dragway at the double D2 National opens this weekend and we?ll all find out for sure.

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711966)

So, based on the ruling in Vegas, this is legal, right? I whipped this up in about a half hour here at the shop. I?ll run this by tech at Carolina Dragway at the double D2 National opens this weekend and we?ll all find out for sure.

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Originally Posted by 1matcoman (Post 711967)

Can we get an over / under on this passing tech?

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711973)

I?m betting no because I built it to be as egregious as possible. 3 1/4 inches off the ground and mounted directly to the underside of the bumper. My only goal here is to have them ask me to remove it and set precedent for every other class racer that this is not considered legal.

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711973)

I?m betting no because I built it to be as egregious as possible. 3 1/4 inches off the ground and mounted directly to the underside of the bumper. My only goal here is to have them ask me to remove it and set precedent for every other class racer that this is not considered legal.

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711966)

So, based on the ruling in Vegas, this is legal, right? I whipped this up in about a half hour here at the shop. I?ll run this by tech at Carolina Dragway at the double D2 National opens this weekend and we?ll all find out for sure.

https://i.postimg.cc/x1XTfrrN/IMG_7170.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/C1QcVfbq/IMG_7173.jpg

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 711999)

I realize you did this to make a sort of sarcastic point but why not go a step further and have it protrude another two feet in front of the car? If you're going for the stripe, might as well do it in a big way?

Originally Posted by 1700camaro (Post 712001)

NHRA General Rules 4:5

"the installation of a ?beam
breaker? in front of the body is restricted to extending no farther
forward than the body or bumper"

1700/STY/781L :)

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas (Post 711900)

The camaro,I couldn't believe it , I knew it was close but I also knew that I was out front.What stinks is I was told to tuck my wire in that was for a parking lamp in my bumper!?!?

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711973)

I?m betting no because I built it to be as egregious as possible. 3 1/4 inches off the ground and mounted directly to the underside of the bumper. My only goal here is to have them ask me to remove it and set precedent for every other class racer that this is not considered legal.

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 711992)

Could get interesting loading and unloading car from the trailer ?..

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 712002)

So the rule is it can look silly and ugly, just not really silly and really ugly?

Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 711973)

I?m betting no because I built it to be as egregious as possible. 3 1/4 inches off the ground and mounted directly to the underside of the bumper. My only goal here is to have them ask me to remove it and set precedent for every other class racer that this is not considered legal.

Originally Posted by Cglrcng (Post 711819)

Not an opinion...black writing on white pages...see 11A Ground Clearance, it says see General Regulations 4.5 see that and it is again black writing on white pages. (Currently legal), tomorrow who knows. It was once not legal to install a fuel cell in my car...it is these days, so I did. It does not take lawyering the rules...just reading them and keeping up with allowed changes. I was not pushing any boundaries just going with allowances published.

My head combustion chambers are avg. 50.5 cc's each instead of the 48.0 min cc's (first head milling), leaving legal room for future improvement. That is (2.5 cc x 4), total 10 cc's more room for
air, lower c.r....does that hurt or help me? All I know is when it comes off the test stand it will pass. (We cc'd that head twice back here after I paid add'l. for it to be cc'd. by the head work masters in Peachtree, GA that did the machine work),

Not pushing any envelopes intentionally, just so if ever torn down it will be found
nothing but legal.

All this controversy over nothing but a legal protrusion under the car (not attached in any way to the body, but the frame underhood). If I take the blade off, you will be studying the 3 other items between bumper tip and tire under there and really will not know which target to go for in the future.

The electronics is a definite (having just tested at the spring Fling I know it is is definitely not a footbraker's world by any stretch of the imagination these days), yes I won a round .002, lost a round that we both were .017, fired off a whole host of .030-.037's that were winners and losers...But the amount of perfect, .00x to teens fired off by most made it a test only of the new ecu system and a pure really expensive bucket list item for me. Those electronics allowed makes heroes out of usual zeroes and usual heroes even better. I went some rounds, and visited the buyback window too...I simply did not belong, but I also had a blast .002 and a winslip footbraking against that kind of company in a slowest than ever Stocker is flat out fun if you flat out love bracket racing!
Am I competitive over the 8 or more rounds it takes to win the yuuuuge bigly check?...hell no unless the drag racing angels are on your shoulder all day and all night long...and right as darkness set in the first night (just as it was getting to my personal best part if the day, they shut it all off as the track was too cold to run the fast cars), ruining my 3rd round best chance to move on, transferring it to an even earlier AM continuation and combining 2 30K races into a 60K giving me and all others 1 less though 1 twice as big chance to shine. (Paid in advance to race 3 x 30K, actually raced 1 30K, and a 60K due to weather). No crying there, we were having too much fun.

They guy that ended my very first Fling went trip zip and ⁸/thou total pkg on me. I was racing him to the last fraction o$ an inch, not knowing that the millisecond he left and as I was watching his green come on that my .032 was *unless he made a gigantic error or mistake in the next 660' I was pretty much mathematically already eliminated. I heard it on the radio just after his win light came on...deflation was instant, but cruised the pits and found him and helped him celebrate his first ever trip zip 8thou pkg in a 60K race. I then packed up and moved on the morning of the Million I was not wastsing another 2K or more on.

1 bucket list race checked off...at least until I build a purpose built electronics laden down bracket car with everything the modern world of technology has to offer in it at least. (And I mean everything Matt Biondo and others have to offer)...because while we class racers keep them dialing honest, they have all the power adders and electronic gizmos and gadgets you can imagine in those rocketships.

That playing field is so tilted it will stand you on your head. Is there some of that in our category? My money says there may be a little bit, but on the average, the lights say nowhere near it. And for those that do..it is only a matter of time before spot checks and a deeper look will catch it. It just won't be me, as I really enjoy doing things the harder more challenging way.

I am nowhere near as good as I once was, but I am as good once or twice as I ever was...now just to string a few more rounds together at one time...luck has to also come for a ride.

You may see me beam breaker on or off, we shall see...but it is a legal aid as long as 4.5 Gen. Regs and 11A points to 4.5.

I did not write the rules just abiding by the publication of them as they stand right now, to my benefit or not...thinking more not to my benefit lately...but, if you are looking at my front bumper in the lanes instead of the top end charge, you may just have missed that .00x to teens I just dropped on you 5-6 seconds ago.

Ahhh, it could have been a .030-.089, depends on who it is and how you look like you feel that day. (It could also have been red if I allow pure muscle memory to take over and just did not get my front tire pressure and coffee/soda combo just right). John Irving is right on correct, I will win more w/ .030's than reds by thousandths in a very slow car...must have a fighting chance leaving first. Just in my blood to attempt to steal the tree if I can. Pack it up in the hatchback if I could. Not afraid of a redeye though, the chances we take. You keep looking under my bumper.

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 712357)

Well look here ..Beam Breakers are ILLEGAL !!! Imagine that?..Anxiously awaiting your reply Mr. Lucier

Originally Posted by 1700camaro (Post 712363)

The way I take it is they were legal. NHRA did a rules amendment to "prohibit " them.

1700/STY/781L :)

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 712388)

No, they never were legal
It took someone trying to get an advantage in reading the general regulations
It?s called a crutch?. Like that deep staging stuff a crutch

Originally Posted by 1700camaro (Post 712363)

The way I take it is they were legal. NHRA did a rules amendment to "prohibit " them.

1700/STY/781L :)