Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/...to-a-race-car/

In fact EPA provided a 2 month window for public discussion.
So they could get this right.

Can see few of you did any research and all that was posted was a plethora of knee jerk comments.

Dan

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Missouri Senator Clair McCaskill was behind the shutting down of Kansas City International (KCI Dragstrip), she as liberal as they get. She just happened to own the land next to the strip and wanted a Park instead.

Randy Wells

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

I would wager a guess that a vehicle that was once "EPA-certified" is no longer "EPA-certified" once it is converted into a Stock Eliminator car! I'm not talking about a pure stocker, but an NHRA-legal A/SA, I/SA, U/SA, etc.

Also, you should re-read the second part of your excerpt - only "non-road vehicles" such as snowmobiles can be modified for competition and be exempt from this ruling!

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Interesting read from here: http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ctually-means/

And in the comments section:

§ 86.1854-12
Prohibited Acts

(b) (5) Certified motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines and their emission control devices must remain in their certified configuration even if they are used solely for competition or if they become nonroad vehicles or engines; anyone modifying a certified motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine for any reason is subject to the tampering and defeat device prohibitions of paragraph (a)(3) of this section and 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3).

By us they passed a law requiring seat belt usage, said it would never be the primary reason to pull anyone over. Now they allow seatbelt usage as the reason t pull vehicles over.

But you can still ride a motorcycle here with only a speedo and some sunglasses on, no safety equipment nor mufflers required!

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Dude, we did. That's the reason for the push back. Such rulings are like pythons. They sneak around you with the promise they are only trying to protect you, and then have the position to squeeze the life out of you. Back when FHA building rules were implemented, the purpose was to eliminate shoddy home construction and establish standards. Now I can get fined $500 per outlet for not having CGFI outlets within 10 ft of running water. What for? BS I would much rather take my chances against a builder who is trying to screw me or against "global warming" than against a zealous government with omnipotent authority to mess up my life. There is no prevailing ethical authority to keep them from intentionally destroying the lives of many people. They can do whatever they want yet nobody gets held accountable and there is no restitution for the victims. And if you think their reviewing public comments will alter their agenda, at best it may result in their changing strategy to get what they want.


"Liberal" is not a literal meaning. It means to liberally allow the government to rule everything. No thanks. I prefer that they leave me the hell alone. "I'm from the government and I am here to help." are scary words.

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Dwight...EPA was asking for feedback !!
Think that was a smart thing to do !

D

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Now....about that "needed park" where KCIR used to sit: nada, nothing, empty quite land, to "toxic" to develop it seems

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Perhaps you should look on the confusor for the hearing where the epa administrator was questioned about all of this.She didn't know how to answer the questions, looked like a gator staring into the headlights of a train.These actions and a lot of their other actions are illegal, just drip,drip drip until the pushback comes.A burmease python can eat a gator, it just takes a while.John Kissel

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Republican law makers are fighting this now, I don't see any Democrats mentioned in this article.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/...g/?intcmp=hpff

Randy Wells

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

EPA Administrator hearing? You mean the same administrator who stated that no EPA regulation has ever caused a single job to be lost in this country?

EPA is not going to show up at the drive-in on Saturday night and look under the hoods of every car built since 1967 to inspect for factory emissions. Typically they blackmail the states into enforcing their regs. Most states have emissions inspections for road vehicles because they were told they had to. We never thought DOT cops were going to chase down every guy with a pick up and a trailer with a lawn mower on it or hobby racers to check for compliance. But they do. Those are state employees.

Given the task of enforcing an EPA reg and the authority to do so as they see fit in order to satisfy the EPA's desired results or face the loss of federal funds, do we really believe that state enforcement people won't eventually find their way to car shows, drive ins, race tracks, etc.? Do we really think they won't eventually show up and start handing out fines, penalties, repair orders? Do you think they will not exploit the potential revenue source this represents? There are plenty of examples and precedents to demonstrate that they will.

EPA maintains that it is illegal for any vehicle, emissions certified for use on public roads which began in the late 60's, to have it's emission devices tampered with or removed. Congress specified that vehicles converted to off-road use ONLY, (i.e. race cars) be exempted and that is what a lot of this conversation seems to be focused on. EPA will probably accede that point. But that leaves a lot of older vehicles that are not dead nuts original and complete running around with tags on them. No one is talking about those. These vehicles, the parts and pieces sold for use on them and the companies that make those parts and pieces are what I'm most concerned about.