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http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...2e4b22e0/l.jpg
Bill Flynn's 'Yankee Peddler'
Early 1969 photo,,,,,,as the car has the 1969 GTS split-stripe across the rear quarter panel and
trunk deck-lid.

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Also has a 69 grill in it & can't make out if it has the 68 rear marker lights filled in but looks like it. Mods must been done to appease Ma Mopar in keeping with the current model year.

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Checking a previous rear shot from M68, Nope doesn't have the 68 markers. This was another tell tale detail of my old Landy Dart. He too converted it to a 69 by adding the trim, filling in the 68 markers, but never installed the 69 markers. You could see the filled holes from inside the trunk. A definate sign of a factory backed operation .
Strange note is the Peddler car had all the 68 details changed to 69 but left the 68 taillites in it.

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http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...061f744e/l.jpg

Bill Flynn showing his his 'toy'.
A 1968 LO23 Dodge Dart Hemi Super Stock,,,,,,,,4-speed.

Location; Chorches Motors Dodge,,,,,,,,Manchester, Connecticut
December 1968

Part of the Super Car Clinic.

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I thought it wouldn't be this hard to get to day 1 of my car. You have no idea how frustrating it's been over the past 7 plus years. Mark J has been instrumental in helping me, but he does this as a side line, hobby only, & as such can only spend so much time doing it. His knowledge & memory constantly blows me away with these things.
The Manhatten car was a possibility awhile back, but as you know that car was a stick.
Basically there are just a few LO's that have slid into obscurity from the right coast area. Its probably easier to start with those rather than cross off the ones that are accounted for.
Mark J. has a list of these cars not accounted for. Mark do you care to post these missing links on this forum as I believe it would be a great help.?????
Just to throw a wrench into this above process, is, that we're assuming my car was on the east coast for a long duration of time, it doesn't mean mine was always there. As you know these things jumped around the country side , sometimes week by week.

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ps I BELIEVE Mark has found the whereabouts of the Mary Ann Foss car.

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I used to watch an Italian guy named John DeRosa run a red Hemi Dart at Budds Creek (MIR) in Maryland back in the early 70's. I believe he bought the car new and was the original owner. He was from Hyattsville Md. He wasnt a well know racer and the car was usually slower than most but it was a real Hemi Dart with an automatic. He had a 63 Max Wedge and it was slow also....LOL. It was called "DeRosa's Dodge". I just happen to see his name on the list of Darts posted earlier. I havent seen it since the middle 70's. Does anyone know where it is today or is it possable your car could be this one?

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It was on eBay in Minnesota a few years back. It had been tubbed, painted solid red, no lettering.

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The DeRosa Dart is still in MN. I almost bought the car from Fred E.

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no this is not Carltons Lil Thumper. the Lil Thumper is still around owned by a collector in Southern Maryland I saw it a couple times at his place it needs restored but was never tubbed. the pictured 1968 cuda its not a factory Hemi BO29 cuda it was built by Bob Urban in Florida http://www.boburbancars.com/Index.html

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Johnny DeRosa is still around in MD - I spoke with him a few years ago about his Hemi Dart. The Barracuda is supposed to be Tom Myl's old car. The other Barracuda question has been answered. I wonder if Bill Flynn had a second car - this could eqplain the red & silver on your Dart Daryl. The Mary Ann Foss car is still MIA (I think I know what car it is but the people who could tell me have passed away. Yes, I have spoken to Mary Ann, her brother Pete Jr and son - no one has any idea what happened to it. I do not have any information on the Manhatten Speed Dart (other than it existed) - don't even know if it was a factory built car .
Mark J

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Mark
This would explain the early press release with that car, with the early VIN #s, & that the current restored Peddler car is one of the last cars in the first run. As posted before, & what I'VE been lead to believe is the factory backs boys got the early ones. Why would Flynn have such a late #ed car unless he had a second one? .
HMMMM, might be onto something there Mr.J. I kinda like that possibility. Nothing like pulling a rabbit out the hat eh? Definately worth a closer look.
Hey Paul C. Any input here?? Anyone else???

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Welcome back Dave!!! Been awhile there buddy!! Like you, I gave that car some consideration also. Hey, how's your little project coming along? Shoot me a PM, would like to see some pictures on it's progress.
Another car that caught my attention at Fred's was the GoldSeeker green stick car he had. Haven't heard nothing bout that one since then. That car was a GOOD car!!! Reminded me of a car that broke something on a Sunday afternoon in the 80's, owner got pissed at it, took it apart, threw all the parts in the trunk & interior, closed the barn doors & forgot about it. I enquired bout that one too, but the price was way on the other side of too expensive for me

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This is car is supposedly in Norway,,,,,,,,,,
Of course in the winter, with all the snow,,,,,,,,you cannot see the
'white' Dart.
That is why it is so hard to find,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,;)

Now if we have a Norwegian contact who can get us the VIN #'s,,,,,

Norway Drag Strip
Gardermoen Raceway
Just north of Oslo

Anyone going to Scandanavia,,,,,,,,,,,,

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This car is in WV if I remember correctly.



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Billy "The Kid" Stepps Barracuda

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...in2/mon1-1.jpg

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Nance car as it appeared when Crawford Bros. had the car in Ringold, Ga. when we purchased it.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ddin2/br-1.jpg

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And after.....

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...din2/68b-1.jpg

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http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...061f744e/l.jpg

The caption under this photo stated;
That the Hemi Dart was presented to Bill Flynn in 1967,,,,,?????
Which was incorrect.
This photo is from December 1968,,,
Bill Fynn car with a new paint job.

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http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8...epeddler01.jpg

1968 Photo
Bill Flynn sponsored by 'County Dodge'
'Poison Dart' lettered on the trunk deck panel,,,,,,
instead of 'Hell On Wheels' later lettering.

This paint job was on the car that was at the 1968 Springnationals (June 1968).
and 1968 Super Stock Magazine Nationals in July 1968.

Don Carlton's 'Lil Thumper' SS/B Hemi Barracuda next to Bill Flynn.

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The dealership photo of Flynns car has a dart swinger sign hanging from the ceiling advertising the new dart swinger so it must be late 68 or 69 as 69 was the first year for the swinger name.

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Here's a video I posted on Youtube a while back. It has some of the big names in the Southeast from 1968. Robert Nance's Baracuda makes a couple of appearances. The "Liberty Motors" Dart is on here too.

Bluegrassx, where did the Baracuda you had end up?

Wayne. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46KsUpddXx4

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Paul/Daryl,
I don't think that Bill Flynn would have gotten 2 new Darts. But Maxwell/Koeffel seemed to to facilitate the purchase of a Hemi Dart/Cuda when they knew the racer/owner was changing class/building a new car - Paul, I think we discussed this on the phone a while back. Bill may have gotten a second car in late 68/early 69? This is only a theory but - stranger things have happened. Paul, what does the lettering say on the door (under the window) of the dealership pic? Usually when racers had 2 cars they also had a second driver. Daryl, about the more famous racers getting early cars - yes but no, The run of cars just before and after yours were not "name' racers.
Mark J

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I was wondering what it said too. I zoomed in and the best I can make out is: "Spokeman", although there seems to be a gap before the word "man" but "man" isn't capitalized.

Wayne.

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hemitime
Good eyes my friend. I missed that. So the car in that photo could very well be the current stick Peddler car. WE NEED MORE PICTURES ON THIS. Did Flynn campaign another earlier car as an auto??
Mark, I somewhat agree with you xept for one car. The Landy stick car is only 2 Vin's earlier than my current car.
What I don't understand is if Dick ordered both his cars at the same time, why are the Vin's on those 2 so far apart?

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Sold to Dean Mink in Ohio.

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removed.

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Can't answer that as Dean had a couple of these cars. Can't see the wheels to identify. I know he ran the car Black with his name on it awhile.

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How obvious,,,,,,,

Bill Flynn at Chorches Motors,,,,,,,,,,
Is from either very-late 1968 or very-early-1969,,,,

The banner above the car,,,,,,,,New Dart Swinger 340,,,,,,
340 Dart Swingers became available for 1969, not 1968,

Which means,,,,,,,,,,,
the Bill Flynn, County Dodge car (SS/B 4-speed) was his first car,,,,,,
Also seen at the 68' Springnationals with #922 on the window.

The Chorches Motors car,,,,,,,was his second car (or re-painted first car) ,,,,,,,,,,for the 1969 season.

I'll find out exact details,,,,,,later tonight,,,,,,,,,,,as I have to contact my
ex-Hurst employee friend.

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I think we're going on the premiss that the "Unveiling of his new Hemi Dart" at Chorches in late 68 early 69 with the new paint scheme,lettering & outfitted with 69 trim etc. was a second car. This very well could have been his original car because Ma Mopar wanted the factory teams to update to current model year, but in reality it was the original car being showcased for the new 69 model year.
This current car has a very late first production VIN on it. So, the question is, what was the first time ,in 68, was a Peddler car seen or photograhed and when were these later production cars made available. Again because of the late VIN of the current restored Peddler LO, why would have a factory racer been put on the end of the list of available cars rather than toward the beginning of the first run???

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June 17, 1968,,,,,NHRA Springnationals @ Englishtown
Super Stock Eliminator

Far Lane,,,,,Don Grotheer, SS/B, Hemi Barracuda 'Cable Chrysler-Plymouth'
vs
Near Lane,,,Bill Flynn, SS/B, Hemi Dart, 'County Dodge'

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I think this picture was taken at MIR (Budds Creek, Md.) during a S/S meet and Ive seen this car with 5 spoke Cragars on the front and steel wheels on the rear around 69-70 ? Also I remember the red paint with and without the silver scalops on the sides. It was STILL slow compared to the other Darts and 'Cudas......LOL.

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I remember checking one that won with then IHRA tech boss Robert Lenord. at Rockingham back in the mid 70's. It was a post race win and the engine was found illegal. That turned into a "Stink" and the state police were called after the driver pulled a gun and threatened us ! Checked Vernon Rowleys 64 SS/B 64 Hemi Plymouth after a points race at MIR and it was found OK. Checked Steve Bagwells 'Cuda at Drag way 42 once for a record with Terry Earwood driving and Steves 65 SS/BA car. I had to help check a red Dart running SS/AA for piston volume at Farmington after they set the record once when I was with a friend racing his car and not working that paticular race. It passed also as the engine was one by Ray Barton. I gave the tech crew a trainning lession on C.C.ing Hemi pistons down in the hole....LOL. There were others but I will have to try to remember as it was a long time ago. I havent woeked for IHRA in over 10 years. All but the red dart record at Farmington was before porting the heaqds was allowed. Check a couple of 'Cudas at Rockingham and Bristol back in the early 90's. Cant remember their names but they were beautiful cars.

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Daryl,
The question I have is when were the S/O numbers assigned to the cars? Remember Chrysler was originally building 50 of each with or without pre-paid sales. This is a little different than typical production cars. I am guessing that the order was put in by the factory - cars were run down the factory production line adding and deleting what parts were required and then shipped off to Hurst without an owner attached to the cars. There was no "Typical factory" production line at Hurst - the cars were brought in put up on jackstands and modifications were made. My guess is that the owner was attached to the car when they were ready to ship - I am sure that there were adjustments in this but I have heard of a couple of cars that when the owner picked it up they got a 4-speed instead of an automatic. another of the last cars supposedly got a Dana - even though it was an automatic. Landy got the first Dart sent to him unassembled (if I am not mistaken) and it is not the earliest VIN# - I am guessing that they just grabbed one and sent it to him - no real rhyme or reason to the sequence. I have a list of the first 50 cars (Chrysler paperwork - but no VIN#'s) there are a number of cars that should be on there but aren't - Herb McCandless & Larry Griffith to name a couple and their cars should have been on it based on the VIN #. I also know of one confirmed dealer swap from Mr Norms to another dealer in IL. I have also heard of owners showing up to pick their car up and the guy pointing to a group of cars and telling him to pick one out. I think that we expect neat and tidy solutions about the beginnings of these cars - like production cars but in many cases I just don't think that the same logic applies.
The theory about Flynn having two cars is just that - it meets the silver and red that was found under the paint on your car - and the car came from about the same area. I don't think that Flynn raced S/S much in 69 because he was also running a Charger funny car (or was that 70). But it is possible. I do have pictures of the current Flynn car after he sold it to the second owner in OH (who I have not contacted) and it is in Bill's paint (was until the third owner had it for a while), still has the 69 grille, the Bill's distinctive hood supports, Keystones but the stripe around the rear is silver - not yellow.
Mark J

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Hemi Moose,
We are still trying to find the origin of Ed's Dart. I know that there is some paperwork floating around (on the internet) for a Hemi Dart from VanDyke Dodge but in my opinion it is BS. I can't prove this but I have alot of factory and dealership paperwork on these cars and this paperwork is not even close. I do not know if VanDyke ever actually ordered a car - I have no proof of this at all. The rumor about Ed's car is that it was one of Shirley Shahan's cars. As far back as we can track it it was in central IL, painted white and blue - automatic car - there was white paint under the car and red in the engine compartment. I thought a friend of mine showed me some photos of The Go Hummer car that showed a red engine compartment. My guess is that it could be the Go Hummer car - white with blue, female driver???
Anyone have an old picture of the Go Hummer's engine compartment?
Mark J

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http://images33.fotki.com/v1115/phot...eet1968-vi.jpg

A very rare photo.
'Canadian Challenge'
Super Stock Event, at Cayuga Dragway, Canada
May 1968


Ed Miller, before he lettered the SS/B Hemi Barracuda...
versus
Lance Hill in the Hill / Dick Arons 1968 SS/EA Camaro SS 396/325HP

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The Cookie Duster SS/B . Another Silver/ Red LO. Whereabouts unknown.

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http://murdercycles.com/v-web/galler.../x29.sized.jpg

Paul Bailey's 'Coyote Duster' in 1969.
1968 SS/D Hemi Road Runner

Paul Bailey's Chrysler-Plymouth out of North Kingston, Rhode Island, but campaigned in Connecticut.

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The Jack Werst BO car with the not so legal SS/EA Hemi Superbird in tow

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Paul/Daryl,
I saw in an old Drag News (can't remember which one now) that the driver of the Boch Dodge 67 Hemi S/S car was trading the 67 in for a new Hemi Dart. I don't have his name handy, but I have never seen another reference to the car - not sure if it happened. Boch Dodge was in Norwood, Ma and they were a advertised as a Hi-Performance Center.
Possible??

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just a lurker on here (love this blog though) that built a clone for the street so i've study these cars some. anyway a photo of the peddler car with the rear stripe that i think was posted here earlier has an april 69 date on the side