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Same car in 1967,,,,,,,classed in E/SA

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...eBenner135.jpg

The 'first A-Body car' to get 'special factory attention',,,,,

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Steve Atwells LO Auto July 2006

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...twellsAuto.jpg

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Real car or recreation?

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6...wnbandit01.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3...wnbandit02.jpg

M68

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M68-Looks clone. The rear wheel well cut out openings are all wrong. 2 piece hood w/wrong scoop, glass bumper, front side marker lites.Looks like single carb too. Nice old school paint tho.

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Dick Towers car. Great original car. Great person. RIP my friend

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0001.jpg

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The "old school" paint job is what made me think it might be.

Thanks.

M68

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No doubt about the originality of this car. :)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/488...iecastaldo.jpg

M68

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[QUOTE=Paul Ceasrine;274327]http://www.norwoodarena.com/Midgets-...l-and-Boch.jpg

Boch Dodge, 1967 Photo
1967 Dodge W/O Coronet 426 Hemi
4-speed
Ran in SS/B (NHRA) and 2/DS (AHRA)
And in SS/C and SS/D in 1968,,

Driver/Owner; Wayne Buxton
Boch Dodge,,, Norwood, Massachussets

Wayne stated in a newspaper article that he was looking forward to getting a new LO23 Hemi Dart for the 1968 racing season.
But the 67' W/O Hemi was running so good, they decided to
campaign the Coronet for the 1968 season.

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1968 NHRA Springnationals,,,,,

http://66.154.44.164/forum/attachmen...7&d=1299683190

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The editor was mistaken in his reporting the 1968 NHRA Springnationals Super Stock Final,,,

The Sox & Martin car was a 1967 Street-Hemi GTX,,,,not a 440 GTX and/or the
R/O Belvedere (w/GTX badging).


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...8&d=1299676681

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Most of the quotes from the Hemmings muscle car magazine are incorrect. They need someone with past knowledge to proof read it.

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Only link between the 1968 LO23 Manhattan Speed Shop Hemi Dart and a name,,,,,
Pete Marzec,,,,,,Bronx, New York
He was at the Indy Nationals in 1970, but not with the Hemi Dart.

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terrific thread, guys. the 68 Hemi Darts were my favorite when I was young. never seen so many great pics and data like this before. thanks

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Hemi Moose
Was the above car a stick or auto? I'm thinkin it's a stick.
Atwell did/does have 2 LO cars. The stick car has some very large tires in the back, so I'm thinkin it is at least mini tubbed. I have pix of this car, I'll dig out & post. Point of interest on that car. It has 1968 Car Craft Race Team of the Year decals on the windows . Same ones & same location the Landy stick car had them. I tried buying the glass/ trading them to install back on the Landy stick car when I owned it, but he didn't want to part with them. Can't really blame him, if they're the real deal.
When I sold the Landy car, I wanted to keep a couple momentos from that car, because I knew I'd never own it again, so with permission of the next owner, I kept the woodgrain steering wheel tthat Dick used to hang onto, & the door panels.
All are on my current car. Kinda cool when I jump into it, & grab hold of that steering wheel. Quess it's a gotta be there scenario.

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Rick Holladay,,,,,,,,,'Snapper'
1968 BO29 Barracuda,,,,,,,

Rick at the 1970 AHRA Nationals,,,,,August 30, 1970
New York National Speedway

http://www.dragracingimagery.com/photos/V10%2316.jpg

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Hemi Moose. The silver & red cuda from Norway was John Macy's last car that I know of.It was built from a yellow 6cyl car in the back of the transmission shop John worked at.Conn Auto Transmission owned by Jim & Leon Browning. It was sold by Drake Viscome to Odd-Roar. John built the phony 66 hemi wagon in the rear of Fairbanks Transmissions in Stamford,Conn if memory serves me correct.

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That is the same car, I took the picture at a Dealership show I was doing in the 80's.

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Hemi Moose
I'm asking bout the Manhattan Speed Shop Dart. Stick or auto?
Sorry can't help you on the history on Atwells cars.
All I can say on the Canadian Barracuda's is they're alive & well up here in the north country. A good friend of mine owns one. Sorry, sworn to secretcy as per owners request.

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1968 Photo
This photo does answer an asked question.
In 1968, what class did the 1965 Race Hemi Dodge and Plymouth cars run in,,,,

SS/B or SS/BA with the 1968 Hemi Darts and Barracuda's,
albeit,,,,,about 400 lbs. heavier.

Bill Stiles SS/BA versus Tritak & Morgan SS/EA


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...6&d=1264971277

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Yes this is an original bo29 4spd car from ontario as raced by Frank Elliott,originally bought in Canada,the other car is an automatic car originally owned by Wayne Burke from Niagara Falls also bought new in Canada ,it was then then converted to stick and raced by Nick Minialoff under the drag dimensions sponsorship,then Beatty and Woods,and finally Brian Smith,the same Beatty and Woods that owned the motown missile 72 cuda.

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Daryl/Paul,
You know I was looking at the pictures that I have of the Manhatten Speed Shop Dart and I noticed something. I always assumed that the car was in primer because the pics are B&W but the car is painted - as delivered the hood and fenders were black & blue gelcoat - the fenders are painted. Many of the early cars Shirley Shahan, Bill Tanner and others were originally shipped without hoods - you will see some pictures where the hoods look black. The hoods were shpped whenthey were available. Note that the Manhatten Dart has a black hood. Possibly an early car?? Daryl are you smiling yet? .
I know that someone said that the car was a SS/B but I have seen nowhere where the car actually had a class designation on it. I think that this is a car that bears further investigation.
Mark J

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Not a BO29,,,,,,,

Another Canada Barracuda,,,,,,,

http://www.luskvilledragway.com/images/j%20adams.jpg

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Yes,both barracudas are still in Canada .

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Billy Schmaltz. "Ready Mix Concrete" Barracuda from Osgood, IN.

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"Mountian Hemi" owned by Doug Hurley from Grundy. Virginia. His brother Harold Hurley was driving in this pic.

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Mark
I'm up to it. Where can we start??? Can you either post the pix you have on it or send them to my personal email please? Posted might be a better option, as the pix might jog someones memory.
As far as smiling yet, there have been alot of leads we have pursued, & until I get a lil more info that is promising, I'll wait. But believe me when the time comes, you won't be able to wipe the smile off my face .

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Daryl,

The problem disecting the Manhattan Speed Shop Dart.
No clear photo's of a window class identification.
Decals with Hurst, but no B & M Transmission decals.

Photo's of it from 1968, versus Charlie Castaldo @ New York Nationals Speedway, versus Charlie @ Englishtown, and versus the Motion Performance 1968 Camaro in A/MP @ Westhampton (Suffolk County)
Drag Strip (all 4-speed cars),,,,,,

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Smaltz's car is a real one? I think he is still bracket racing that car at Muncie Dragway!!!!:eek:

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Guys,
My scanner is not working at the moment - ben really busy - heading to Indy next week for the U.S Nationals. I have a pic of the Manhatten Speed Dart running Ed Miller at New York National (S/S Nationals) and aginst the Motion Camaro - can only see the front end - but I know it is this car. Paul, that only applies if they were running Class in those pics - eliminations or time trials would mean it could be an automatic - and the Auto cars had Hurst shifters - so it is still a possibility. I wonder if the old Super Stock Nationals programs had entry lists like the programs for NHRA national events? If so, does anyome have one from the 1968 S/S Nationals that lists a Dart from NY?
Mark J

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1969 photo
Larry Cooper,
West Monroe, Louisiana
'DeLoach Dodge'

SS/BA,,,,,,MPH Record Holder in October 1969,,,{134.87 MPH }

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...BA_800x607.jpg

Is this the same car,,,,,1968 photo,,,??
'The Hustler' sponsored by,,,,,,,, 'Holiday Dodge'
Engine built by the 'The Ramchargers'

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5527/hemivshemi.jpg

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Nothing looks better than those Fenton flat spoke wheels on a 60's stock/super stock car!

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Paul,,doesn't look like anyone wants to take a stab at this one,,including myself. Once again though, a great photo from a bygone era. However, I'm thinking that the car on the right, up front, could be a Charlie Allen car and the Dart in back, also on the right, looks to be a Landy car, with the Charger 2 cars in front of it. Thanks for posting these.
Danny Durham

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If you look on the other side of the fence, directly above the near Dart on the right, you can see the Sox & Martin rig with what looks to be the rear end of a "B" body facing away from the fence. Can't tell if its the Road Runner or their GTX.
Danny Durham

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Don Grotheer,,,SS/B
(photo from 1968 NHRA World Finals, October 20, 1968)
Tulsa International Raceway,,,,, Tulsa, Oklahoma

Clearly one of the best looking BO29 Hemi Barracuda's

1968 NHRA Super Stock Eliminator Runner-Up @ Springnationals
June 1968, SS/B National Record Holder @ 10.91

After the 1968 racing season, Don Grotheer purchased the Barracuda from
Cable Chrylser-Plymouth (who owned the car).
It was re-painted with the blue and orange stripe, and Don campaigned it in
SS/BA. He won the 1969 NHRA Winternationals Super Stock Eliminator, and re-set the
SS/BA National Record to 10.72 (from 10.83).

http://www.prostockhemi.com/gallery/ss/34.jpg

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I'll give it a go.. front left - Loyd Mcvey Invader - front right - red light bandit - right rear - Landy

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HM,

The last race for Shirley 'Drag-On-Lady' Shahan in her SS/BA Dart,
was at the 1969 NHRA Winternationals.

She was beaten in the Super Stock Eliminations by
Arlen Vanke in his SS/B Barracuda.

There is a photo of both the Dart and Arlen Vanke at
the line in Pomona,,,,,,see the photo on the Arlen Vanke site.

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Manahattan Speed Shop did exist,,,,,,,,,,
1970 photo at Dover Drag Strip,,,,,,,,
Linder Oldsmobile, Bronx-Boulevard, Bronx, NY
1969 Olds 4-4-2,,,,,,,,F/S in 1970.
The 68' Hemi Dart was not the only car they sponsored,,,,,,

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=8582

Also a 72' Vega in D/G,,,,,,,,1975 photo

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=5744

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Paul, you are King Sleuth. Don't know where you find this stuff man. Now if we could get some names attached to Manhattan Speed Shop

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http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...le.php?id=5754

Manhattan Speed , Worth Auto Parts . Manhattan Power and Bronx Speed were owned by Joe Doto and his dad and uncle.

I read this on another forum - HM.

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Paul your pic Beeline AZ 1969 is inacruate.My dart LO23 is left side 2nd back.But there is a 1970 SuperBird in the rear top right of the picture.BigDaddy;Shirley,DynoDon and many others were there as was I .Your pics are great but you lack FACTS,like MR5&50 versesRayAllen.I guess FICTION does sell better then FACT thanks PT

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Well, well...so it seems that line up of Hemi Dart's photo has stirred up some interest on here...as I said a few weeks ago before all my posts on here were deleted, my guesses were.

- Gene Snow's Hemi Dart (first one on the left)
- Bill Bagshaw's Red Light Bandit, (first one on the right)
- T-H-T Racing, (second one on the left) or maybe someone else's.
- Dick Landy's Hemi Dart, (far right near the back) behind his Charger.
- Shirley Shahan Drag-On-Lady, (far left near back), see the silver roof stripe.

Geerhead, good eyes on spotting the Sox & Martin hauler and their car in the background as well.

Also pthomasely, do you care to fill us in on who's 68 Hemi Dart you're talking about then, so who's was it?

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