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fredjohnston 01-22-2009 08:53 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
Talk about 28 pages of "nothing". Nothing but "what if, maybe, well it can, why can't they, the skys falling".

Evan Smith 01-22-2009 08:55 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
The CJ has much smaller cams, a full point less compression and smaller throttle body.

Greg Hill 01-22-2009 09:36 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
Comparing the Cobra jet motor to the 510hp 281cu.in. motor goes like this. The 510 hp. motor has a.060 larger lift cam. Compression is about the same,the cobra jet has 49 more cubic inches, they both have 62mm twin bore sizes, both are intercooled and the cobra jet has larger valves and is a 4 valve head compared to a 3 valve head in the 510hp motor. Am I missing something here? With 49 more cubic inches and a lot more valve area it looks to me like the cobra jet motor should make substantially more power than the 510 hp motor. The supercharged motor should like the extra valve area.

Greg

MPR 01-22-2009 10:01 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
The Cobra Jet engine is built at the same place as the Shelby engine but built to DIFFERENT specs. They are both 330 cu. in., the CJ at 425 hp and Shelby at 500 hp. No different than the 454/325 like in Grossi’s GT/AA car and the 454/425 in Stinnett’s car.
Most of the guys on this forum have never and will never run in a class with or against one of these Mustangs so this thread resembles the fuel injected cars in stock discussion on classracer a few years ago.
For the first time in decades Ford has become involved in NHRA Sportsmen competition. I think Brian Wolfe and the good folks at Ford Racing should be commended for their efforts. Why don’t we see how this plays out before the internet crowd tries to crucify it.

Greg Hill 01-22-2009 10:09 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
MPR I also commend ford for getting involved in racing again. I think most of us only want to see these cars with the proper hp rating on them.

Greg

Bruce Noland 01-22-2009 10:25 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
MPR,
Are you running in the AA or A classes? I will attempt to in just a few short weeks.

I know it's hard for someone to understand this issue, especially if they do not own an AA car, but the 2008 Cobra Jet has the very real potential to seriously reduce the value of the older cars that are currently running in these classes. We're talking about more than a million dollars down the drain. Some racers have over $100,000.00 invested in their cars. Sure, we know they we'll never get it all back when they sell them but the 2008 CJs will seriously deminish the value of these cars even further.

What seems to be the problem with a new Factory Experimental Class? Many racers said nhra would never bring back the AA and classes and they did. Vet these cars in Factory Experimental and then move them to AA if they don't have the punch that Ford and some racers say they have. What's wrong with that? Why the need to go out and beat up on a bunch of older cars that have older technology? Competition is good, however, selfishness is ugly no matter how you look at it. The CJs will stay in AA or A after they make the first pass in those classes. That is what the Roush and Ford guys want. Good luck to everyone involved after that.

bsa633 01-22-2009 10:31 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MPR (Post 101836)
Most of the guys on this forum have never and will never run in a class with or against one of these Mustangs so this thread resembles the fuel injected cars in stock discussion on classracer a few years ago.

So they should just SHUT UP right?..what a stupid comment! ofcourse they never will run that class after this...

Chuck Beach 01-22-2009 11:03 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
Bruce,
Run a different class ... case resolved ...

Chad Rhodes 01-22-2009 11:15 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 101850)
Bruce,
Run a different class ... case resolved ...

the thing about some of these high HP big block is that they are pretty much AA combos, or damn near 3700lbs in A. Now if you would like to come show me where to put that much lead in a 69 corvette, be my guest

ss3845 01-22-2009 11:16 AM

Re: Factory experimental
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bsa633 (Post 101847)
So they should just SHUT UP right?..what a stupid comment! ofcourse they never will run that class after this...

And they never would have anyway. So I have to agree with Mike. Of all the guys whining on here how many have a car that will have to race a CJ heads up?? Doesn't it strike you as odd that the guys that have the fast AA/A/B stockers aren't on here crying. They're propbably in the garage working. Why don't you give it a rest until the car makes at least 1 pass in competition.

Jim MCBean


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