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Mr. pthomasely,,,,
After only 2 posts,,,,,,,,you have become the 'expert'.

1) Where am I wrong on the Jack Werst versus Ray Allen information.
Most people say they never faced each other,,,,
I guess the photo that I posted was wrong then,,,,,
And I guess the Karl Gould 'Superbird' with Tim Richards driving,
never beat Ray Allen either,,,,,,which was a 'legal bird' at the 1970 Summernationals..

2) OK Mr. Expert,,,,,,,,1969 AHRA Winternationals,,,,,you say you see a
1970 Plymouth Superbird,,,,,,well that photo is from January 1969.
Just how in the hell did a 1970 Superbird get there,,,,,,,,,they weren't built until the end of the year, in October 1969,,,,,,,,,,'FACT"
Maybe it was a 'special wing' that they had 'flown' in on.

3) By The Way,,,,,,,,,,did you know you spelled inaccurate,,,,,,inaccurate,,,'FACT'

GEEZ,,,,,, I try to post information, and I get slammed by a 'greeter from Las Vegas'

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I first want to welcome you to this post, but you may want to enter a little more gracefully. Paul C. has been instrumental in helping me in my quest to find the history of my car, & has added a huge amount of info & shared many pix since then . Now, we are all permitted to make a mistake or two, & considering his track record of CORRECT info, even if he was wrong, there's better means of approach.
I've looked real hard for a wing car in that pix, whether it was a bird or a Daytona, can't see it. Closest I could find of anything with a slope was the tail end of a 68-69 Cutlass. Can you enlighten me?
Also, real interested in your involvment in that LO car in that pic. if you wouldn't mind to share. PM me if you wish to keep it off the public forum

liteweight

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Some Dealers just couldn't get rid of them,,,,,,,,,,:eek:

Creveling Dodge
Corpus Christi, Texas
'a 4-Speed'

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...qhe3HkUHWXz_Cl

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A '70 Superbird?? Really? I hope you're not confusing the front of the cab of the truck behind the Pennzoil sign as a wing off a Superbird, which is where I'm looking when you say "in the rear top right of the picture".
By the way,,take it easy on Paul,,he didn't deserve that,, and use your real name if you want any respect, newbie,, although you may have blown that by now.
Danny Durham

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Judy Lilly,,,,,,,1969 Photo
2nd Paint scheme
Denver, Colorado based car.
Performance; 10.70's @ 128 MPH
Best E.T.; 10.49 @ 131 MPH (Sub-record run in June 1969)
National Record for SS/BA; 10.66

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...sTulsa1969.jpg

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Somehow I was thinking they had drum brakes...

I'd still take it either way. I wonder what their bottom dollar was and who was the lucky new owner.

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It probably sold for cheaper than what you can buy a set of original corning glass windows for it today.

liteweight

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Daryl,

I have photo's from inside the Hurst facility,,,,,,a whole pallet stacked with
the Corning .080" thin-glass,,,,,,,
Of course, later it was discovered to be missing,,,,,,,,,

In the meantime,,,,,one of the Sox & Martin SS/B Barracuda's at Indy.
This one with the '426 Hemi' lettered on the center grille, and striped roof.
This car ended up with Sam Panutty, and later Jack Arnew.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/...WFrontView.jpg

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Daryl or Mark J.
The 'Go Hummer' car in 1969.
Definitely 'not' Mary Ann Foss driving.
Pete Frech Jr. took over possession.
Mary Ann Foss' name removed from the door panel.

In 1969, Chrysler Racing cut back big time in racing sponsorship
money,,,,,,,,exit Mary Ann Foss and Shirley Shahan.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...YkmpDe_fs1.jpg

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The red Hemi Barracuda, photo from a 1970 Meet
Phil Bailey 'Tinker Toy',
Champaign, Illinois

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/...Dallas1970.jpg

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HM,

Jerry McClure was the original owner of 'Scootin Cuda'
SS/B, 4-speed car, out of Greenville, Mississippi.

Later sold to Paul Lance out of Madisonville, Kentucky.

pc

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PAUL , How about a picture of Bobby Brown`s Hemi out of Pa. area . Engine by Lee Crupi . Thanks

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Not sure if anyone knows this,,,
but NHRA didn't certify the 68' Hemi Darts and
Hemi Barracuda's into the SS/B or SS/BA class, until one-week before the 1968 NHRA Springnationals in June 1968.

Chrysler had to submit a list of 50 owners names to both the Dart and Barracuda, to qualify for the cars for legal Super Stock.
No 'hanky-panky' stuff...

So, NHRA did have a list of the first 50 owners of the Hemi Dart and
Hemi Barracuda, to verify.

The NHRA must have been amazed, when 35 of these cars showed
up at the 68' Springnationals @ Englishtown.

pc

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Pual, could you email me a copy of this picture for my colection of shots of my car. Thanks, jackarnew@comcast.net

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This was the first Sox & Martin SS/B Hemi Barracuda,,,,
different than the above photo, in post #1097.
'Lil Boss' lettered on the fenders, 'Barracuda' on the center grille, different decal placement.
White hood with blue stripe.
As seen in the June 1968 Super Stock Magazine (photo from March 1968)

http://graphic-server.com/cgi-bin/ba...SSDI196806.JPG http://66.154.66.47/forum/attachment...4&d=1238797426

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Yes that is the other B029 68 Hemi Barracuda I remember seeing in Sox & Martin's shop...any idea who's other 68 Hemi Barracuda that is...perhaps the old Dave Wren car.

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=2656

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HM,

The photo of the Barracuda in the Sox & Martin shop.
Do not think it was Dave Wren's orange Barracuda.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=2861726

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checking out the picture of sox and martins shop, would be interesting
to know the year this picture was taken. check out jerry mclure's cuda.
looks to be wily cosseys cuda, at least the paint schemes are the same.
fisher and christie raced with cossey in 1969, before moving east to work for sox and martin. i guess the question is, is it the same car, and who had it first. also the other cuda in primer paint seems to have the letter g covered up on the door.

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Cuda in the S&M shop looks to be a 69. The center of the hood seems to have the hump and maybe the matching one on the front panel. Can't tell for sure.

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Mike,
I think you're right.
The photo is from mid-1969.
The Jerry McClure Barracuda does have the exact same paint scheme
as Wiley Cossey's car. (see post #518).
Light blue rocker panel section, thin dark red body side stripe sections,
white body-center, and dark red hood, roof and trunk stripe.

Wiley Cossey sold his SS/B car in early-1969.

The other Barracuda, with the primered door section and primered quarter-panel section, looks to be Don Carlton's ex 'Lil Thumper' car,,,which was painted light-blue.

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Sunday, August 11, 1968
Dover Drag Strip, Wingdale, New York
John Macey, SS/BA, 'Heads Up'

John Macey wins Super/Stock Eliminator with a 10.93 @ 125.80 MPH.
An under the National Record run.

Directly behind John Macey, is Bob Gaudreau, in the 'Candy Cuda' SS/B
Hemi Barracuda.

http://www.doverdragstrip.com/phpBB3...ile.php?id=503

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Spring of 1969.
Wiley Cossey
SS/B (Record 10.61, March 1969)

Wiley won the SS/B Class at Indy 1968.

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/45...600x600Q85.jpg

This is not the photo of Wiley Cossey versus Shirley Shahan (October 12, 1968 Match Race)
at Reno Dragstrip.

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Ah, the Candy Cuda! Any color pics of that car posted yet?

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Paul C, I think you're right about that primered 68 Hemi Barracuda in the other Sox & Martin shop photo being the ex-Don Carlton "Lil Thumper"...I also confirmed the decals located on the drivers side vent window with some other older pictures of it.

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=3352

Notice the 68 Hemi Barracuda in the middle of the shop, that is the ex-Dave Wren B029 Hemi Barracuda, he must have had a couple of different paint jobs on it before he sold it.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...IRD_RWB_15.jpg

So how many B029 1968 Hemi Barracuda's did Sox & Martin own back then, or buy off other racers and just resell them to other customers.

http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...00-0.jpg?rev=3

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HM,

Besides the Sox & Martin '2' original factory BO29 cars.

They purchased;
Don Carelton's,,,, SS/B car,,,,, (North Carolina)
Wiley Cossey's,,,, SS/B car,,,,, (California)
Dave Wren's,,,,,,,, SS/BA car,,,,(Montana)
Dean Nicopolis,,,,,SS/BA car,,,,(Michigan)
Billy Stepp's,,,,,,,,,,SS/B car,,,,,,,(Ohio)

The Billy Stepp car was Stepp's 2nd car. The one he purchased from
Billy Vanwey (Dayton, Ohio) in late-1968.

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So how many Superbirds did they also have?? i thought just one, but I see a second behind the BO car

liteweight

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That's pretty interesting. Looking back, when I'd hear of local racer buying "Sox & Martin's Cuda" it probably wasn't the car I thought it was. Do you know what kind of time span was involved? Within a year, two years, five?

Did all of these cars get the full S&M treatment or were they simply passed along?

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Dan,

Most of the other BO29 Hemi Barracuda's were purchased in
1969 by Sox & Martin.
Dean Nicopolis SS/BA car was featured in the December 1969
Speed and Supecar Magazine (photo session from September 69'),
when Dean had it. I think Sox & Martin got it in February 1970.

On selling prepared cars,
I think the deal was, they put the car together, and guaranteed it would run 10.50's.

They would deliver the car to your local drag strip of choice, then
Ronnie Sox would take it down the track with a 10.50 guarantee.
After that, hand over $10,000, and it was all yours.
All the cars had variations red/white/blue paint scheme.

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Sorry but Bob Ramstrom passed few years ago,I think I remember that years ago/late 60's he traded his Dart for a well used Ed Miller Baracuda??

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Sure is!,have some pics. with that paint.Chick and Dart were @ Orange Airport Dragway reunion this past Sat. Dart now painted black,later, SteveO

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For the 1970 season,,,,,,
Ron Lyles, a purchaser of one the Sox & Martin BO29 cars.
J & B Automotive,,,,,,,Brooklyn, New York

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5743/rotwronlyles.jpg

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I shared the photo's of Tom Crutchfields car with the parts guys at Button Dodge in Kokomo In. They had no idea of their dealerships history. I roll through Kokomo once a week and I always wonder if Tom is still around. He would have to be late 70's? now?

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Stewart,
The Carlton Cuda was damaged in a towing accident - bought by S&M and Carlton was hired to drive for them. This was Don's break into the big time. The car was repaired with a 69 front end (S&M also did this in 69- not sure how they got away with this in S/S though - Landy did it too) Well Carlton's car was painted in S&M colors and in early 70
S&M ran 2-68 cars and while they were sorting out the 70 P/S car - if you ever see pit shots from Pomona 70 you will see all three cars. I think when Don left S&M was when Herb McCandless was hired full-time. Don drove a RR in 69, the 68 Cuda and If I am not mistaken also the Duster that Herb McCandless later drove in P/S (70).
BTW the other Cuda in the S&M shop is NOT the Cossey car.
S&M only had one Superbird - the car in the background was a customer car - and a Daytona - if I am not mistaken a Disc Jockey in SC raced the car -Chuck Neeley I belive.
Mark J

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1968 Sox & Martin Hemi Barracuda paint scheme had the white hood, with blue center stripe (with Lil Boss on the fenders)...Their 1969 Hemi Barracuda paint scheme had a blue hood and white center stripe, (with Lil Boss on the hood scoop)...Also another later shot of their 68 Hemi Barracuda with polished super tricks on it...Hmm, I wonder who's car that was originally, anyone know.

http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/46...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/43...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/15...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/49...600x600Q85.jpg

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I'm new to this message board and this is my first post. I was in my mid to late 20's when the Hemi 'Cudas and Darts came out. I remember them well. I used to go to"The Rock" and watch them run. Got to see "Grumpy" there, too. We also went to Bristol, Darlington and Concord. Those were the days.

In post 687 I think the blue Buick on the left looks a lot like Jason Line's car. He had it at Charlotte in April of 2011, but didn't do too well.

I live near Charlotte and was able to see Sox and Martin quite often. Around here Ronnie was called "Mr. 4-speed."

I've really been enjoying this thread. Keep up the good work!

H. L.

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Look at the mechanics name on the bottom of Jack Werst's Barracuda and Superbird....

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The Jerry McClure, SS/B 'Scootin Cuda' did end up with
Paul Lance out of Kentucky.

The paint scheme for both the Wiley Cossey (California car) and
Jerry McClure (Mississippi car) couldn't be any closer.

pc

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I came across this older post...is there anyone else here that can add anymore info or details on the Sox & Martin 68 Hemi Barracuda's that they raced in 68-69-70 or later...Here's a couple of photos of Eddie Smith's (West Virgina Hemi) 68 Hemi Barracuda that Sox & Martin sold to him.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ldoraTruby.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ldoraTruby.jpg

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ANYBODY out THERE WANT TO BUY A REAL RO29 DART pretty much Original ? Send me a P.M...........John