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Greg Hill 02-27-2010 10:32 PM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
I would bet money they were using VP traction compound and not VHT. VP does not work on cold tracks.

Jeff Lee 02-27-2010 11:07 PM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
And I'm sure the attorneys for the deceased are monitoring this and every other race site.

Duster 7695 02-28-2010 12:12 AM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
Mr Hill, how much money are you willing to put up. I'll start with $1000.00. Will you match it ,or better yet ,how about upping it?

Raul

Greg Hill 02-28-2010 07:25 AM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
So Mr. know it all what were they using?

fredjohnston 02-28-2010 08:52 AM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Blake (Post 171923)
Yeah I just found this on DRC: "NHRA and Firebird officials have been working feverishly to correct a problem that was discovered
during the NHRA Arizona Nationals and despite their best efforts have not been able to overcome the
conditions. It was found on Friday that the wrong product of traction compound was sent to the
track and was used to prepare the racetrack the last two weeks. Officials believe that this is the
root of the problems with the racing surface."

Possible legal action filed toward NHRA will allow NHRA to place blame on the supplier. Thus the reason for stating "wrong product....sent etc. etc."

Duster 7695 02-28-2010 09:25 AM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
By your reply I assume you won't be willing to bet after all. Since I can't win any money from you, I'll answere your question. The track, and NHRA use PJ1 traction compound. You can check on the internetand see what it is. It certainly is not VP. However you are correct about it not working well on a cold track.

Raul

Toby Lang 02-28-2010 01:16 PM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
As II'm making the lovely 1500 mile trip back home I have a few questions:

1. WTF is wrong with VHT?

2. Has the EPA started cracking down on the use of VHT?

3. Was it just discovered this weekend that PJ1 doesn't work well on cold tracks?

4. Is PJ1 cheaper than VHT? If so, is it worth having cars on their roofs and into the wall? Not to mention having to pay all the personnel to work the make up races?


-Toby

Don Kennedy 02-28-2010 01:35 PM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
The traction compound pj1 is the same as the vht . the VHT name was sold for some paint names and then the traction compound was renamed pj1 .

The company sells to their customers the traction compound either full strength or diluted 25% . The customer then decides how they want to apply the traction compound.

The Firebird track manager Chuck has never been told on how much traction compound to buy by Charlie Allen and can buy as much as he wants for Firebird use .

I suspect that when NHRA comes to town then they use what ever traction compound they want and most likley deluted to their own desires made by some decision maker unkown to most, not really sure on that though.

Toby Lang 02-28-2010 07:26 PM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
OK, thank you for the explaination. I thought they were different products.

In the statement released by the NHRA it said the wrong product was sent to the track. Which product did they have and which is the right one?

If there are only two types I doubt having the diluted one would make much difference. They dilute it with alcohol, right? The alcohol evaporates. Couldn't you just spray more down to get the same result as full strength?

Something doesn't make sense.


-Toby

Bob Sherwood 02-28-2010 08:16 PM

Re: Update From Phoenix
 
THOSE DAMM SUPPLIERS-- they will do it every time and I have seen those labels on the drums----THEY JUST ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.


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