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Greg, Bruce Noland and I thumped that "Bible" over a year ago and nothing happened! Nothing is going to happen! The handfull of people that actually care about (what once was) Stock and SS are either too old or too disillusioned to do anything about it!
I don't blame ANY S/SS racer for buying a new combo because THAT is what NHRA wants because THAT is what will pay their bills (in the short term).
I personally don't believe that we will be around for me to "retire" from racing anyway.
Just be thankful that you decided to build popular body styles that you can restore, streetrod or sell to get some of your investment back.
If it sounds like I've given up well, let me just say that I don't believe that ANY NHRA racers will be treated with ANY respect as long as the people that are in charge in the "Ivory Tower" remain there. To them "It's just business".
Gee, maybe next time we (the racers) have a problem with a lane or the pits or a new ruling we should go "in mass" to the tower and explain to them that "It's just OUR business"!

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I don't know if you guys are talking stock or super stock....but in our case....Brian Oakes 427 69 camaro ran the quickest and fastest time ever (for a SS/CA car) in testing at No Problem...and he is the leader in C and D. ......His stuff is fast.......

Rock Haas

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To me the Stock class have lost most all of it's appeal now....not because of new cars because they are needed,but the fact that now no one really have to work and research those new combo's very hard to "get there" you can almost just pick a new Mustang or a Challenger (who really are SuperStockers)...and be head and shoulders above the rest of the competition right from the start...and because of that i dont think we will see the blend of cars we have today for very long..we are just not racing the same game anymore..everyone else is just bringing a knife to the gun fight..sure some will still take a shot at the eliminator but most of the older cars will dissappear or find a place in some type of Nostalgia events or otherwise be restored..(maybe thats were they belong anyway)will be interesting to see what Fletch and alot of other Touring Pro's will do with when more new cars are coming out in the higher classes Mark F. has allready moved out but will be cornered by Challengers soon it seems..
Well..there will be alot of new Heroes in stock in the future but i doubt i personally will respect them that much!
As someone said..It's just business..and NHRA owns the game!

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As an "observer" and a student who studies the history of things, it would seem to me, that quite frankly we are only NOW seeing again what WAS in the Beginning.

Look at factory involvment then ?

THEN You could walk right into the dealer , as now and buy a KILLER combo, maybe it was only good for a year or so, but look at some of the bastard monstrosities that were built for Stock back in the day.

NOW They run right along side the 93 Camaros etc.

Look at what evolved into the Funny Cars, the AFX cars, that were at first STOCK Cars.....

I see only a Lapse in this being the norm, it was this way in the beginning, not in the middle and is now again.

Maybe Im wrong, but it would seem in the Interm people got used to the way things stagnated from a perspective of factory involvment and carved an honored and much deserved place for themselves. Now that the factories are involved AGAIN, its "Foul" ?

Im confused, I do understand, like I said, on motorcycles it came to the point the bikes I loved became "Vintage" class, it was a hard pill to swallow, especially when for 4 or 5 years they could have still been competitive, NOW however anyhting less than a FI bike and Im out of the game.....times change....I have a choice stand still and let things pass me by, or adapt. This year for the FIRST time since my GPZ I am considering a FI bike, why because I would like to "Play" a bit and with country travels there are some tracks Ive always wanted to run.....

Anyway another 39.7 cent installment from the Drooze....

Like I said in another thread I think the new package cars will HELP Involvment and ATTENTION to Stock racing, some agree, some disagree. That ok, everyone everyone is entitled to their opinion, them theirs and me ours.

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That sounds fair...he should be....but i'll wait with my own judgement until i see you two guys square off headsup in the finals of US Nats or something of similar value..
Great car by the way!

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If the weather stays good at Charlotte, maybe some questions of just how good these new (Dodges and CJ Fords) cars really are will be answered in the next few days....Fast, but can they win? I'm probably hitting a bee's nest with a baseball bat here, but my guess is that the best of the old combo stand-by cars will more than hold their own in their respective classes against the new pieces...just my .02 cents...WJ:D

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Andy,
Personally, I'm glad you started this thread. We need to discuss these issues. None of this would be happening if we were dealing with a decent sanctioning body. But unfotunately we are not. Some say this is just a business for the sanctioning body in question but the sanctioning body does such a good job at masqurading as a family oriented not for profit that it leaves many people bewildered when it makes so many self serving decisions. Make no mistake, these guys know exactly what they are doing. They have been lobbied successfully by the OEM's and others who have a lot to gain from these new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock. These new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock will feed the professional carreers of some and increase income for others, but of course these facts should not be considered when making decisions about Sportsman Racing. There are many indoctrinated racers who simply want to run down the track and they aren't bothered by the fact that very soon their way of racing will be gone forever. Gone? Why-come? Because most racers cannot afford $100,000.00 racing programs and these new cars will simply shatter their dreams of working on their old combinations with the hopes of becoming a player in their respective classes. Nope, that dream is gone. It will be left to the 100 or so racers who are rich enough to exploit a lame, money-sucking sanctioning body.

Rock,
Please don't make us laugh. You need to put on that .200+ pulley you have in the tralier and turn it loose. Then we'll see who is the fastest.

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There is a difference between purpose built race cars - which have a very limited production number - you have to stand in line to get - with cash before delivery
AND
Showroom cars

As Drooze said they are like the old FX cars - right on

I agree the landscape is changing and I do not have to like it - I just have to deal with it

I agree with Drooze - The fastest cars do not win all of the time - There just aren't that many heads up races anyway

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Like I said on another thread, where was all this concern for my stock trucks which got factored and classed from first to last, and where was the help I asked for for my 69 Six Pack car. Yall a little one sided. Let the system do the work. These new cars will surely step on their foot. Too many of them when they all get to the track. Hell I will probably step on my foot.

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This is the same argument from the 60's when the factories jumped into the frucus, the Mopar cars, the camaros, the copo cars, the Shelby's. Just 40 or 50 years later.