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Ryan Horensky 06-22-2011 08:05 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SStock1373 (Post 265008)
Ryan, love the stang. I proposed how the pairings would work for first round based off qualifying off the index. Ladder games would be a thing of the past. Random pairing would never work because people already take forever to come to the lanes. It would just get worse.

What would not be fair to the people running modified style cars? The fact they wouldn't get to chase the class cars who can't afford to build 100k race cars? What is fair about the way it is now? Fletcher does run a modified car. But yes he and the others you've mentioned are great drivers without a doubt.
Fletcher has only been running the modified combo for a few years. Nothing will ever make ladder games go away unless it is all random pairing and I believe a few people posted on the problems that can occur with random pairing. What isn't fair about the way things are now? Are you going to penalize people that have the money to build more expensive cars than you? It seems you have your own agenda going on. When I race stock I chase alot of cars. When I bracket race I spend all day long looking over my shoulder. I don't cry about. I just deal with it and try to get better on the top end every time I do it. I think you need to find a way to race under the current rule structure that I'm sure isn't going to change just because you don't think it's fair.

Bobby Fazio 06-22-2011 08:44 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 265021)
Mr. Fazio - What you are proposing doesn't make any sense .If there are fifty cars in your eliminator you must be prepared to race any of the other 49 to win .It realy doesn't matter who you race in round one or the final - you must get past all of them at some time . And if you feel you can't win before round one even starts you probably won't . If ladder games are so important you may join in also - if you can't beat 'em - join 'em .From where I sit the big advantage comes from getting or not getting heads-up runs .That stuff about looking for a duck first round - sometimes those quakkers will bite you in the butte .And there are very few that can't run the index today unlike 30 years ago .

As for those who think that racing a modified / non-traditional 160mph S/S 'er is so cheap - jump in and find out for yourself .If its easy you'll be glad ..........

One last thing - if you took all of the Modified / GT type cars out of SuperStock it would be gone ........and quickly .Remember - drag racing is still based on two basic principles - get a light and run the number !

Jack it seems you misinterpreted the point of my post. I don't know where I said racing a modified/non-traditional 160mph S/S'er is cheap? Also, I separated modified and GT so your last sentence doesn't reflect anything I said. Ladder games - they don't bother me but they seemed to upset a lot of other people so I just showed how it would get rid of them altogether.

If you read my first post I was aiming at increasing parity among the cars in later rounds and make for an exciting first round from a fan standpoint.

danny waters sr 06-22-2011 08:44 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Just don't show qualifying sheet til last qualifyer is done....
I know there will be racers with their own helpers in the stands writing the runs down ,but at least they had to work for it..


It is what it is !!!

Bobby Fazio 06-22-2011 08:53 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Horensky (Post 265022)
Fletcher has only been running the modified combo for a few years. Nothing will ever make ladder games go away unless it is all random pairing and I believe a few people posted on the problems that can occur with random pairing. What isn't fair about the way things are now? Are you going to penalize people that have the money to build more expensive cars than you? It seems you have your own agenda going on. When I race stock I chase alot of cars. When I bracket race I spend all day long looking over my shoulder. I don't cry about. I just deal with it and try to get better on the top end every time I do it. I think you need to find a way to race under the current rule structure that I'm sure isn't going to change just because you don't think it's fair.
No one wants random pairing so I don't know why people keep bringing it up. Ladder games weren't my primary concern, just an added benefit because they would only help you for one round and you won't know where you will be in 2nd round.

You still haven't told me what is fair about a car with rules and stock components and a car with no rules and far superior aftermarket parts (and a hood scoop) racing each other. I don't know how I'm penalizing anyone? If anything, the class cars are getting penalized no?

Stewart Way 06-22-2011 09:31 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
What class car in SS has "no rules" as you put it? None. What are the Mod cars allowed in the engine that we are not. We all can have aftermarket cranks, rods, pistons, rings, valves, springs, retainers, rockers, pushrods, lifters, cams, timing chains/belts and maybe even blocks. What "stock components are we limited to that the Mod cars are not? Carbs and maybe head castings that we can port now. Some SS cars can even run Alum heads. And now we don't have to run the original carb number. There are also hood scoops in traditional SS.

You ask "what is fair" about running these cars. What is unfair about running them? As Jack said. it still comes down to running the number after cutting a light.

X-TECH MAN 06-22-2011 09:54 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
[QUOTE=Stewart Way; it still comes down to running the number after cutting a light.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like bracket racing to me !

Billy Nees 06-22-2011 10:12 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 265028)
Just don't show qualifying sheet til last qualifyer is done...
also, do away with putting an ET on the scoreboards,2 sided timeslips and all progressive times (just RT, ET and MPH) during Sportsman qualifying.
Wouldn't it be fun to see all of the competitors "racing blind" going into eliminations?

Chuck Norton 06-22-2011 10:33 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 265045)
also, do away with putting an ET on the scoreboards,2 sided timeslips and all progressive times (just RT, ET and MPH) during Sportsman qualifying.
Wouldn't it be fun to see all of the competitors "racing blind" going into eliminations?
Sounds good, Billy. While we're at it, eliminate the RT as well. Suddenly, it's 1963 all over again!

Harry 6674 06-22-2011 10:42 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen (Post 264889)
Harry, please explain. Just hood scoop cars like mine or the V8 powered FWD/ converted to RWD cars? Thanks Joe
Sorry I wasn't clear. If the engine wasn't available in the body it would be in comp. Hood scoops in comp unless OEM. Just regular SS rules for SS.

buzzinhalfdozen 06-22-2011 11:03 AM
Re: Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed
 
Harry, thanks for clearing that up. Boy like someone else stated... you take away the Mod. and GT cars at least from the current mix and you've got a fairly small group of cars. BTW, my hats off to any that have these cars cause they take alot of work money and desire to race. Joe


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