Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 294747)

Hi guys. I want to thank you both for the continued effort giving us good races and a option to race somewhere other than Divisional /National events. I have talked to Mike a little on this subject, and this is only mine ( and my brothers) opinion.But, I think MANY Class racers are not interested in Bracket racing. Traditionally,the only fast guys that will come are ones that have something to test. So they come to use your race as a "test session". And it makes sense really....If I have a REALLY fast car, I'm not interested in getting my butt kicked buy someone in my own class with shoe polish.Or for that matter, not being allowed to show up and deliberately put their car in MY class trying to get me in a heads up. All that strategy is gone. Even if it is only remotely possible,class racers want to race heads-up, given the opportunity.. And be feared for their accomplishments.Shoe polish eliminates all that......All you have to do is have scales, you could skip the fuel check. Let people run any fuel they want. I do not think anyone is going to go buy ultra expensive fuel for a Stock/Superstock Combo.If they do, cross that bridge when you get to it. We would probably SMELL any funny gas,so everybody would know what their up to.For that matter, just weight for heads up runs only. As far as tech,we are pretty good at policing ourselves on the bolt on stuff that is visible to the eye without teardown. Nobody wants to be toredown at a combo race, as they are suppose to be fun and kind of a kicked back type of deal. But alot of people think heads- up is Very fun..........Like I said, just my opinion

Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 294754)

-Jeff N, heads-ups are something I would consider. Pittsburgh has no scales (for the IHRA Div'l races, they use the IHRA temporary scales 'weigh with the front tires, weigh with the back, and add it up' method), so there would be no heads-ups there at Pitt. Quaker and Hagerstown, assuming their scales are accurate and still work, we could work with.

I would have to pay (another expense) a qualified tech person (or at least knowledgeable person) to run the scales. Maybe not so much for the tradtional S/S and Stock cars. But for SS/GT, for example. Not saying you or anyone would do it. But let's say you're running your car, GT/FA 1975 400/180-328 (or whatever it's rated at now). And you claim it as such. But it actually has some other, higher-rated combo in it (427/425, 396/375, etc or something similar) and runs silly fast (same with a GT car with a 327/250 and claiming it as a 283/220) or fast enough to win a heads-up. The average Weekly Joe tech person won't know what combos can or can not fit whatever GT, SS/AM, or even some Stock classes. He certainly wouldn't know the difference between a SS/DA legal 427/425 and some guy that claims it, with an LS-6 454/450 in it.

Again, I don't know how many, if any, would try it, but it could certainly lend itself to MORE potential cheating, more than that could be done now.

As it is now, with no scales, heads-ups or qualifying, any edge gained by cheating is nullified. Going two seconds under would not gain any advantage to anything (no bye, no easy Class win). Other than Hagerstown, the only automatic SS/GT cars we had were all GT/HA or lower (except Gene McBean GT/BA), so I doubt you'd get a heads-up, even if we chose to scale and do them (unless you can get your car legally to H weight).

Originally Posted by Gary Smith (Post 294897)

WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO PAY A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE PRACTICALLY OUTCASTED FROM THE EVENT?????? At Association races YOU ARE THE SHOW. You get treated with respect and your fees are greatly appreciated, not to mention an actual return on expenses. And Hell, is the damned wally trophy patented? A win is a win!!!!!! I surrender my soapbox.