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Rory McNeil 03-28-2014 02:40 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
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Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio (Post 425912)
If I am running N/SA then I am allowed to use factory belts forever, correct?
Thats right, and if I add a little more than 100 lbs in my M/S Mustang, I wouldn`t have needed the roll bar, SFI pants, on new 5 point belts every 2 years. All that for a tenth of index.:confused:

Rusty2211 03-28-2014 03:20 PM
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I formerly complained about the 2 year rule myself until I saw the picture of Dale Earnhardt's broken seat belt. For 70 bucks, putting new belts into the car every couple of years is not a bad thing. Since we have some stockers running 80 MPH and some running 155 MPH, I would not want to be in the slower car with a 30 year old lap belt and no roll cage. It's just a recipe for disaster. I guess you could just save the money by doctoring up your own SFI tags (LOL).
Rusty

Dave Ley 03-28-2014 04:21 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
The first National Event at Englishtown was the 1968 Springnationals long before there was any kind of seat belt rule !!!



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Originally Posted by Jeremy (Post 425903)
The reason this seat belt crap got started:
When they had the first national event they had in New Jersey there was a state law that said "race car's had to have seat belts that had been replaced within two years". It caused lots of trouble at the first Englishtown.
It was not long after that NHRA made the seat belt rule.

HandOverFist 03-28-2014 04:39 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
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Originally Posted by Rusty2211 (Post 425971)
I formerly complained about the 2 year rule myself until I saw the picture of Dale Earnhardt's broken seat belt. For 70 bucks, putting new belts into the car every couple of years is not a bad thing. Since we have some stockers running 80 MPH and some running 155 MPH, I would not want to be in the slower car with a 30 year old lap belt and no roll cage. It's just a recipe for disaster. I guess you could just save the money by doctoring up your own SFI tags (LOL).
Rusty
And I'm betting his belts were new and up to date. The argument is pointless...anything can fail, even when new. No one is saying delete the belts...just use some common sense when it comes to part replacement.

James Perrone 03-28-2014 05:12 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
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Originally Posted by Dave Ley (Post 425974)
The first National Event at Englishtown was the 1968 Springnationals long before there was any kind of seat belt rule !!!
I believe the seat belt rule took effect after an accident at a Englishtown Divisional in the 1980s.A friend of my dads Jimmy Galuzi,[Spelled wrong]was driving a candy apple red angula in super comp.Car was powered by a injected small block.It was windy but he crashed badly and died.The family sued everybody .. car builders safety equipmenytNHRA Etown.Belts WAY OLD.But there was no rule .This is what I was told when I asked why we need new belt every 2 years. Could be wrong but that's what I was told...

Dave Noll 03-28-2014 06:24 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio (Post 425912)
If I am running N/SA then I am allowed to use factory belts forever, correct?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 425964)
Thats right, and if I add a little more than 100 lbs in my M/S Mustang, I wouldn`t have needed the roll bar, SFI pants, on new 5 point belts every 2 years. All that for a tenth of index.:confused:
My car is a natural "M" but I'm running "N". The Deist belts in it have a tag dated 1986. Local tech said no problem. My car is always garaged & the belts are still dark black & no fraying.

Bob Mulry 03-28-2014 06:55 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
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Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav (Post 425900)
I'm sorry guys.. I know I'm not your typical go to 8-10 races a year Stock/SS guy, but I can guarantee you my belts are worn out after 2-2.5 years.. Deist.. Crow you name I've wore them out.. the rule is in place to take the liability off of the poor tech guy that just let your 10 year old belts pass tech, when you get seriously injured in an accident.. You people complaining that you don't want to replace them every 2 year would be the first ones in line to sue when the belt failed in an accident..

Brad


Is it truly a “Commitment to Safety”?

When was the last time that you saw an NHRA tech inspector check the seat belt mounting hardware and installation to insure that it complied with NHRA rules?

I believe that the seat belts used in NASCAR have a set procedure for the mounting of the seat belt hardware and routing of the belts and that was the cause of the belt failure. The belt failed, as I remember the news accounts, due to the installation not being in compliance with NASCAR rules and the belt was worn which caused it to fail.

Just having a 2 year rule on seat belt replacement doesn't free NHRA to not inspect and certify that the belts are installed per NHRA guidelines.

Correct installation and proper quality control of the seat belts is what turns them into safety equipment.

The 2 year rule is nothing but a money maker.

Just my thoughts,
Bob

Peter Ash 03-28-2014 07:14 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
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Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 425990)
Is it truly a “Commitment to Safety”?

When was the last time that you saw an NHRA tech inspector check the seat belt mounting hardware and installation to insure that it complied with NHRA rules?

I believe that the seat belts used in NASCAR have a set procedure for the mounting of the seat belt hardware and routing of the belts and that was the cause of the belt failure. The belt failed, as I remember the news accounts, due to the installation not being in compliance with NASCAR rules and the belt was worn which caused it to fail.

Just having a 2 year rule on seat belt replacement doesn't free NHRA to not inspect and certify that the belts are installed per NHRA guidelines.

Correct installation and proper quality control of the seat belts is what turns them into safety equipment.

The 2 year rule is nothing but a money maker.

Just my thoughts,
Bob

Division 6, my car.

Bob Mulry 03-28-2014 07:28 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
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Originally Posted by Peter Ash (Post 425991)
Division 6, my car.
Was the mounting hardware and installation checked every time that your car went through tech just like the date on the belt?

I am not ragging on the tech inspection, but rather trying to point out how stupid the 2 year rule is.........

Bart Kilraine 03-28-2014 07:42 PM
Re: Seat Belts
 
The New Jersey seat belt law started off as a 5 year rule.


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