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Brett You Have It Right!!!!!! But That Would Be To Easy For NHRA. That Is What They Had Some Years Back. It Must Work Fine For IHRA Becuase They Still Have Theres That Way. And They Copied NHRA And Left It Alone.

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Does anyone think that a fuel injected motor is that much better than a carb motor? Those who run the 305's and switch back and forth, is there that much of a difference?

Does anyone think a guy, or gal, with a new COPO, Challenger or Mustang is going to run an "old" combo in it??? I don't.

As I look at popular combinations I see that those that were beat to death with hp from those guys who "work hard" on their stuff to go fast all the time, are at a disadvantage to those that are either fairly new combo's or the ones that were "taken care of" over the years. FI or carb, doesn't seem to matter.

So I think NHRA got it right by separating the new cars and their engine combinations and leaving the older FI combinations in the original classes.

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Well stated Bryan!

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So Bryan, do you think NHRA was correct in not only getting everyone out of Stock and Super Stock with a new car 08 or later (except for the 2008 and newer Jelly Beans-tube chassis cars), do you think the pencil whipping that went with it was also correct. I guess it is also right that my 70 Duster is not only out of GT where it has been since 2009 and never won class anywhere, and got a two tenths faster index to go along with that with no weight changes or other considerations. And my SS-KA got the same treatment except it got a 2.5 tenths from 11.25 to 11.00. I am the only new car in SS/KA in the US, Canada, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and Australia and Ohio.
I spoke to them about this and I'm not sure it was intentional. I doubt if everyone noticed (I didn't) the difference in SS and GT between stick and automatic from SS/E-SS/EA ( one tenth) to SS/K-SS/KA (2.5) tenths and GT/A-GT/AA (one tenth) to GT/I-GT/IA (2.5 tenths). What happened I think is because they were adding 23 new classes to Super Stock Eliminator, they used the stick indexes like they did in Stock which resulted in a .05 index hit for all automatic new cars. I have asked NHRA to review this decision. Bryan, you got rid of Eric Bardekoff, Nick Morris, Craig Sullivan, as well as my Duster with the stroke of a pen in GT/FA. You also got rid of 3 including Mark Nowicki in your other class GT/EA. You didn't do this personally, and in your case, I would think you would be proud of NHRA. You didn't even have to go down the track. Just for information, there were 10 new classes created in GT for 16 cars that ran during the 2014 season. I think there are now about 110 classes in Super Stock. Can I say Comp, diversity, one car per class. Working well in Comp. Hopefully NHRA will reconsider these actions.

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Jeff, if they would just fix the hp factors, nobody would mind running the new cars heads up. I have talked to a few guys that have dyno numbers from the 360" DP like you have, and LT1s like mine. Have not talked to anybody that has seen less than 70 hp difference between the 360", and the LT1 that I run. Most tell me at least 80hp difference. The LT1, which you keep crying about being under rated, and "Needs some hp!" Yet, your 360" is rated 4 less than my LT1. You act like your car has been outlawed, and you can't race it anymore. You just won't have the easy heads-ups now, and the other guys in your class trying to avoid you on the ladder now.

As far as that nasty fuel injection, why don't you talk to engine builders that have dynoed these engines both ways? Bobby Warren, Gary Stinnett, etc. Most everybody I have talked too see 25 more by just putting a carburetor on them. Bobby Warren told me he found that with a Quadrajet on his LT1, not a big Holley. We don't all have 1000 CFM throttle bodies.
You crying LT1s or fuel injection would be like me calling everybody else too fat and too ugly.

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Well said Ed!

Jeff, I didnt' say they got it totally right. As far as the indexes go, some are a little steep. However, trying to convice me that the combo's like the 360 Drag Pak and the 352 CJ should still be in GT, won't happen. Any combo (360) that is capable of running in the low 9.0's, high 8's at GT/EA weight, does not belong. Now, if you put them at like 350 hp, then maybe, just maybe I would say yes, only because they would be running the classes they should be, GT/AA or BA. I will never listen to anyone, friend or foe, who tries to tell me that motor is anywhere near factored correctly.

While I did have nothing to do with the new classes being created, I will not be sad to see them go. Every time I ran cars you mentioned, I got outrun easily, and when I say easily, I mean easily! By at least 2 tenths. And I know those cars were only set up to go fast enough to beat me, taking into account that I would have a much better light! So I'm sorry I can't agree with you on all accounts, but we can still be buddies! LOL.

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Ed, you first. I would take a good 4 bbl in a minute. We have put it on many times to verify things on my 360. We are now at 284. Your math is a little rusty. 80 HP. Wow. My dnyo must be junk.

Bryan, the New Car Owners Association has taken the position that all classes should not have stick and automatic as we are now. That would mean you get the same two tenths treatment we got in your hp/lb. I think NHRA is listening. Easy way to lighten the number of classes in SS. Way too many now. We (new car-new motor) have about 100 or so in SS and GT and growing. There were 767 Super Stockers who went down some points earning track. And I know I am old, and a little slow, but I can't find any GT/EA who went 9.00 in Nitro Joe's Stats. Maybe Nitro ain't as good as he used to be.

I know what mine does, and I beat Larry Hodge by 3/100 in Indy. All in, all done, all out. So I get .25 hit. Yeah, that seems fair. I don't think Larry's car is a new car. If we can't get some help on this, I will probably just change combinations.

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>Ed, you first. I would take a good 4 bbl in a minute. We have put it on many times to verify things on my 360. We are now at 284. Your math is a little rusty. 80 HP. Wow. My dnyo must be junk.

Jeff, I don't know it your lying, or trying to be funny. Hope it was the later. That 284 was funny. LOL
That would put my LT1 about 200?
If your dyno showed Cooter's making 800, as you posted, something is junk.
If you think Nitro Joe's had people's fast runs listed, your kidding again, right? Only if at a national open where AHFS is not in effect. How about 8.90s in GT/EA? Or SS/IA? I know who did, and if you are going to be honest here, you surely do too.

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Ed, you ran 10.08 @ 3240 minimum in SS/JA. I have never been that fast, I have been 10.19 in SS/KA. Both in good air. Course both are SS cars. Cam, Intake, etc don't matter. I think you got a point of compression on me. My wheelbase in 116 inches, I think your car is a couple feet shorter. I got ten cubic inches. You got a Chevrolet. That means that 8 million, 3.42 Hundred thousand, 968 people have worket on that thing. I would think it's pretty close by now. Parts for that thing are available at Walmart, K-Mart, and Walgreen. Is your motor the same as Ricky Decker? It's also 279 factored. All them doorstops yall race look alike. He went 9.70 something @ a little less than 3000 lbs. Is that the same combo. Both RWD, and both have had the aforementioned multi million people research team. The only thing worse for parts than a 360 is either Captain Jacks large boat, or Gen III Hemi stock replacement pieces. According to my trusty Moroso Power Speed Calculator 89650, for a car to run 10.08 @ 3250 lbs, it is about 575 +- HP, and low and behold on the previously discussed Calculator 89650, a 3475 lb car to run 10.19 takes 590 HP. Pretty close. Unless you are sandbaggin. I ain't. Now I don't know Mr. Moroso personally so I can't speak for the slide rule, but those numbers work on my motor, course I got that junk dyno, so maybe not. I'm just not sure where you and my Fireman Friend Bryan get the numbers. The fastest 360 in all of Nitro Joe Kingdom is 9.59 and that is is GT/FA. Bryan might have gotten some of that fire foam in him at a fire? I hope not. I have never seen anything close to 8 seconds in any recorded official NHRA race. Maybe it's the UFO effect. And there is always the possibility that Nitro Joe's Stats are brutally wrong, but it has never happened before. I'm sure this discussion will continue.

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I'm defending myself, the runs in my stats where made at a NHRA/IHRA race where cars where scaled and put on a sheet, divisional event, national event and national opens, test and tune runs, rumored runs ect is not in my stats, case in point, Rich South's car went 8.93, but it was not at any of the 3 places I said above, so the run is not in the stats.
I try my best to make sure I have the correct runs, but I do make mistakes at times but I try.
Thanks