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SSDiv6 03-19-2015 11:34 AM

Re: Front end rise
 
The use of Polyurethane bushings have been discussed to death on this site.
They are effected by temperature changes and can bind the control arm travel.
When Polyurethane material does not deflect, therefore, it stiffens the travel of the control arm.
Recognizing that everyone wants to save their pennies, for drag racing, you need to use Global West, AFCO or UB Machine control arm bushings. My preference and recommendation is Global West.

Ed Wright 03-19-2015 01:25 PM

Re: Front end rise
 
I have always just cut the teeth from the ends of the inner tube in stock replacement bushings. Cheaper, and never bind. Bolts in the uppers long enough to bottom in the upper-inner shaft, then shortened just enough to not bind, should be able to rotate the washers under the bolt heads. My lowers right now have steel self locking nuts so I can adjsut the drag on the control arms. they should just drop from their own weight, not connected to the spindals. Been doing it like this since the Jr Stock days in the mid 1960s. Cheap and never a bind issue.

SSDiv6 03-19-2015 02:34 PM

Re: Front end rise
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 465306)
I have always just cut the teeth from the ends of the inner tube in stock replacement bushings. Cheaper, and never bind. Bolts in the uppers long enough to bottom in the upper-inner shaft, then shortened just enough to not bind, should be able to rotate the washers under the bolt heads. My lowers right now have steel self locking nuts so I can adjsut the drag on the control arms. they should just drop from their own weight, not connected to the spindals. Been doing it like this since the Jr Stock days in the mid 1960s. Cheap and never a bind issue.

Yep, an old trick that still works; I believe either Moroso or Competition Engineering used to sell bushings that were already modified.

The difference on the OEM version of the control arm bushings is the inner sleeve is bonded to the rubber material. Therefore, it pivots on the steel sleeve and does not rotate on the rubber material.

In Polyurethane bushings, the sleeve, instead of remaining static in the bushing, also tries to turn inside the bushing when pivoting.

Polyurethane does not have the low friction and the load bearing characteristics of Teflon or Nylon thermoplastics, therefore, while pivoting, it will flex under load.

Signman 03-19-2015 03:19 PM

Re: Front end rise
 
Similar to Ed on my stocker:

Used stock rubber bushings on the lower arm assembled with never seeze on the bolt and inside the steel tube for lube that never leaves. Added lock nut tightened until bind the loosened til free. Intall bolts front to back for added safety and peace of mind.

For the strut / shock use the best you can afford. Started with the Koni adjustable strut but when I got the car to leave hard the front end would slam down and upset the rear suspension. Santhuff is well worth the money not only for the full adjustability and good valving but the fact that they stand behind their produtct.

Ed Wright 03-19-2015 03:28 PM

Re: Front end rise
 
I do lube the shafts where the bushings pivot. Guess I left that out. I certainly agree about the Santuffs! I have used about everything else. Had them re-valved, etc. Nothing had the adjustability or control of the Santuff.

Alan Nyhus 03-20-2015 09:31 AM

Re: Front end rise
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 465310)
In Polyurethane bushings, the sleeve, instead of remaining static in the bushing, also tries to turn inside the bushing when pivoting. Polyurethane does not have the low friction and the load bearing characteristics of Teflon or Nylon thermoplastics, therefore, while pivoting, it will flex under load.

There are definite differences in polyurethane control arm bushings from brand to brand. Some polyurethane compounds are 'sticky', for lack of a better term. A lube like Permatex Super Lube between the bushing and the sleeve makes a big difference.

Eman 03-21-2015 10:06 AM

Re: Front end rise
 
Polyurethane will also dry out and crack over time. Have a Fox body with adjustable rear control arms with poly bushings. The bushings dried out and cracked into pieces and fell out.


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