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Rory McNeil 11-15-2016 02:46 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
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Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519845)
Maybe I have a misconception of how Tru-Start works. I'd be happy to be corrected.

For example, racing under the Tru-Start system is a V/SA and an A/SA. V car leaves and goes red, but there is no visible indication of a foul start (to use NHRA terminology). Freeze frame right there. As I understand Tru-Start, the V car driver now has a "second chance" at winning the race instead of being automatically eliminated. So far so good? If the A car leaves clean, that driver is the automatic winner. If the A car goes red, I guess they figure it out with the R/T that is closer to .000 or each driver's total package.

Now change things up a little. V car leaves clean and the A car goes red. Is the A car automatically eliminated?

Also, with Tru Start, if the V/SA leaves too early, but no red light is illuminated, does the green light come on,? Does the last amber stay on, like it would for a redlight , or does the slow cars side of the tree have all the lights off?

FireSale 11-15-2016 03:58 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
^^^Good question. If the red light is held until the second car leaves, does one of us get to see green then red????? That wasn't mentioned in my reading.

Why not toss the count down for a yellow/green tree? Cutting the anticipation might cut the red lights to start with.

Dave Noll 11-15-2016 06:21 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
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Originally Posted by tranzbuilder (Post 519838)
For all of those wanting to race with tru-start I'm sure the are plenty of bracket racing platforms beginning out there and tracks as well then u won't have to worry about heads-up races fuel check or going over the scales or even tear downs for that matter and centainly won't have to cry on this forum about not getting into a national event where they won't implement tru-start. Believe it or not the level playing field out there is what u make it quit complaining and just get some seat time

I've bracket raced for over 30 years and recently switched to Stock. How much more seat time do I need ? I'm not complaining. I'm stating a preference and cited examples to show the reason for my preference. Tru-Start has been created by Compulink but to my knowledge is only being used for the Spring Fling.

https://dragillustrated.com/trustart...-spring-fling/

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...-go-nationwide
GOOD

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...php?p=46043098
And the same argument going on elsewhere.

The Hawk 11-15-2016 07:51 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 519846)
Also, with Tru Start, if the V/SA leaves too early, but no red light is illuminated, does the green light come on,? Does the last amber stay on, like it would for a redlight , or does the slow cars side of the tree have all the lights off?

The green light does come on when the first car leaves early then drops to red when the quicker car leaves green.

Mike Pearson 11-15-2016 09:49 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
If it came down to a vote I would vote to implement the tru-start system. I don't see a down side to it.

Don Morris 11-15-2016 10:22 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Mickey Whaley 11-15-2016 10:25 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 519821)
I'm out.


They do have a best package deal at the bracket finals. 2 out of 3, yeah, hyuk. :eek:


As the starter of this thread, I feel Tru-start is 39 years too late in being implemented. Why change ? As a driver of a slower car, I feel this is a problem that needs to be fixed.


Agreed, except for maybe the pigs.:rolleyes:


Agreed. Bob and Jody are both guys that I have a lot of respect for. They are both real good at doing this. What happened when they raced is just an example of what I feel that tru-start will, in my mind, fix.


My point exactly. Its not isolated. Tru-start is now out there and fixes this advantage that I feel the faster cars have had. I, for 1, would like to see it implemented. Its been created, has a name, I like it. :D

Dave Noll, N/SA 6526

get a faster car stop stirring ****

Mile High 11-15-2016 11:03 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
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Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)
For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Tru Start gives both cars an equal chance to lose with a red light. If both cars red light then the worst red light loses.

Jeff

Greg Reimer 7376 11-15-2016 11:08 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)
For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Does that mean that one driver gets a second chance to win and the other driver doesn't? What's "fair" about that? Sounds like outcome based education, another politically correct brainchild.It's always been first or worst,the way we've always raced.

Jeff Stout 11-15-2016 11:10 AM

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)
For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

If the slow car goes red and the fast car goes green,where is the second chance for the slow car to win. How does this get addressed? See what I did there? It's all fair for any 1 car to go green and any 1 car to go red.


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