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Stan Weiss 08-22-2020 05:04 PM

Re: pro trans advice
 
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Sorry could not upload the Excel Spreadsheet


Stan

S/ST 3040 08-22-2020 09:10 PM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Can you explain what the "reaction %" means to a specific selection?

Mike Rietow 08-22-2020 10:09 PM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by S/ST 3040 (Post 621532)
Can you explain what the "reaction %" means to a specific selection?

The reaction percentages listed are relative to each other. A concept which says one reaction is more efficient than another.

Mike Rietow 08-22-2020 10:30 PM

Re: pro trans advice
 
This the two I was looking at to have the car crossing 7600-7700 1/4 mile 4.56 gear 141 - 142mph. with the same starting line ratio run now 2 sp pg 28 x 10 bias tire.

https://i.imgur.com/0GxiHx3.png

https://i.imgur.com/UcAxaPB.png

Adger Smith 08-23-2020 03:50 AM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Stay away from the 1.12 Reaction number
When you have 2 gear spreads use the one with the number the farthest away from 1.00.
I would look at the 2.16 -1.45 C-1 .73
If you can use just a little more starting line ratio the second gear drop will pull the car up to speed quicker. The 3 speed will get you in hi gear a little farther down the track with the 3 speed than the PG. It will also make your converter react like it is tighter.
1st..second.hi.% drop1-2...% drop2-1...Shift....Fall.....Shift2-3.....Fall RPM
2.16 1.45.1..... -32.9%..-31.0%....... 7200........4833.......7200........4966

I just guessed at the shift point.
Guess you have a 1.98 PG low..
The PG has a 49.5 % drop from low to high a 7200 RPM shift will bring the mechanical RPM back to 3636
See the difference in hang time on the converter. You are using second gear ratio to move the car instead of converter. I hope this helps

Mike Rietow 08-23-2020 10:31 AM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 621554)
Stay away from the 1.12 Reaction number
When you have 2 gear spreads use the one with the number the farthest away from 1.00.
I would look at the 2.16 -1.45 C-1 .73
If you can use just a little more starting line ratio the second gear drop will pull the car up to speed quicker. The 3 speed will get you in hi gear a little farther down the track with the 3 speed than the PG. It will also make your converter react like it is tighter.
1st..second.hi.% drop1-2...% drop2-1...Shift....Fall.....Shift2-3.....Fall RPM
2.16 1.45.1..... -32.9%..-31.0%....... 7200........4833.......7200........4966

I just guessed at the shift point.
Guess you have a 1.98 PG low..
The PG has a 49.5 % drop from low to high a 7200 RPM shift will bring the mechanical RPM back to 3636
See the difference in hang time on the converter. You are using second gear ratio to move the car instead of converter. I hope this helps

It's a 1.69 x 5.29 final crossing 1/8 converter slipping 5% 7450rpms. I ran it to the 1000 ft once 8000 rpms 9.69 @ 1/4 coasting 116 mph 10 x 28 M/T bias. This with a spragless converter 90% hum, 2875 bar, 78 deg

I think with a 3 speed it might dip in the 9.30's as is, in premium conditions 3250lbs sbc factory condition 69 Nova on a bias tire n/a.

I'm trying to find the best approach for second gear for a 4.56 final. 1.30 to 1.40

For the small tire, I think around 8.9 starting line ratio is good, even if I went to a radial tire, one tenth quicker typically.

It did help, thanks for your input I'll study that to comprehend your approach. This is just a ol car I drove to work, then street raced, then Super Pro bracket raced and now just hot rodding for fun 30 years later.

https://i.imgur.com/jpv9N7C.jpg

Stan Weiss 08-23-2020 10:54 AM

Re: pro trans advice
 
1st..second.hi.% drop1-2...% drop2-1...Shift....Fall.....Shift2-3.....Fall RPM
1.95 1.3.....1..... -33.3%....-23.1%..... 7200........4800.......7200.......5538

1.95 1.4.....1..... -28.2%....-28.6%..... 7200........5169.......7200.......5143


Stan

Mike Rietow 08-23-2020 12:20 PM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 621568)
1st..second.hi.% drop1-2...% drop2-1...Shift....Fall.....Shift2-3.....Fall RPM
1.95 1.3.....1..... -33.3%....-23.1%..... 7200........4800.......7200.......5538

1.95 1.4.....1..... -28.2%....-28.6%..... 7200........5169.......7200.......5143


Stan

https://i.imgur.com/hBxMOlj.png

Adger Smith 08-23-2020 11:51 PM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Mike, I have a formula that allows you to change shift points and look at the fall RPM,
It also allows you to study what the gear ratio changes do.
Send me your e mail and you can play with it.
Adger

Mike Rietow 08-24-2020 12:20 AM

Re: pro trans advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 621634)
Mike, I have a formula that allows you to change shift points and look at the fall RPM,
It also allows you to study what the gear ratio changes do.
Send me your e mail and you can play with it.
Adger

Soon as I can my PM to work I'll do that for sure. TU Adger


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