Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 626307)

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

Originally Posted by Bench Racer (Post 626299)

I don't like to speak for my brother but he don't do the internet. He received a gift of some horsepower in SS/GT earlier in the year. The offender laughed about it and said he don't run GT and didn't care. My brother spent thousands of dollars and had his Firebird changed from a 92 to a 87 Fromula with circus paint from Steve Mc Creary so he could pay back the favor. The car was entered at Rockingham as an 1987 Firebird Formula. The pass on the car was pretty weak as the 60 foot was a 1.38. David said he cracked the thrtottle and the MPH was maybe 131. Dave ley came by and sealed the engine. I convinced my brother to tear down early and not make a run that could have easily picked up a tenth. Every one picked up a tenth the next morning. I figured he still had a an easy 1.25 under after the horsepepower.The next morning it would have gone in the 9's in ss/la. Why the 1988 to 1992 305got the hit I don't know.

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 626307)

Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 626545)

I agree to start it shouldn’t. I guess I was considering that GT already had some et penalty built in as well. Maybe not alll, but the ones that I look at. For example. If you look at the 9-9.5 lb weight breaks for SS and GT, the index for SS is .15-.2 slower than GT.

I think the same consideration for combining stick and auto classes can be made. For some, but not all classes. In my view, their are several classes like GTF-GTH,that could be combined. The hp is much higher in automatics for these classes because the indexes were too slow to begin with. Most of the good automatic stuff with Radials can run with a stickshift.

I know this doesn’t apply to all combos but if NHRA wanted more heads up races, they could do this with at least some classes.

Originally Posted by bykr (Post 626724)

The stick vs. auto heads up races would be interesting too.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 626738)

Let's see .SS/L , 11.25..SS/LA , 11.45

Mmm-mmm,...Sure.

Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 626744)

Maybe not a powerglide 283 but oh wait a minute, they don’t have to run powerglides anymore.

And of course, this SSLA could hold its own with any SSL car

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

I know it isn’t perfect for all classes, but the stick and auto is closer than ever. If the autos had the same index as the stick cars they wouldn’t have to spend most of their time slowing the car down to avoid hp.
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