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Sounds like the solution for all you portly drivers is to have NHRA have ,in addition to the minimum weight,writing a maximum weight that takes your weight into consideration and gives you a combined weight of no more that adds the maximum weight for your class plus driver weight.You will be over the max weight ,but only by what your weight factor is.No 300/400 lbs over.Nah that's too simple.
Question:
I just looked through an old Hot Rod mag with the results from Indy 1988,Anyone know who was #1 qualifier in Stock????????????????????????


Ed F.

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In the irha their is no max.I call (April 1 2009) Howie Dalton Regional Tech Director and that's what he said.you can be heavy as you like as long you follow the rules.

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There was a time when all this was driver-weight bidness was moot. I don't remember the year, maybe 1977, or thereabouts, but I had a close friend who had built an A/SR, and it was fast. He weighed over 300 pounds, and at that time, NOBODY weighed drivers, with or without the cars; drivers were just dead weight that the motor had to pull, and were not factored into the classification process in any way, shape, or form, in any class.

If you had the famed "trained, 9-pound mongoose" made famous by Hot Rod magazine in the mid-1950's, driving for you, you were ahead of the game!!!

I had a Moroso Power/Speed calculator, one of those antique "slide rules" that would show you how much horsepower it took to put X number of pounds through the quarter mile in any given amount of time. Gave you MPH, too.

Of course, it was just a ballpark figure, but for comparison purposes, it was pretty educational.

I worked the numbers on my friend's Street Roadster and found out that it was taking about 50 horsepower MORE to run any given number than it would take if he had Judy Lilly driving the car...

SO, I wrote a letter to National DRAGSTER with my findings and suggested to the editor (Bill Holland, at the time), that they weigh the drivers with the cars. He ridiculed the idea, and asked if I thought the drivers should be weighed in their Jockey Shorts, or fully clothed???? He thought it was hilarious... and, un-enforceable.

It wasn't much longer, after that, that some big-guy Pro Stock drivers successfully prevailed upon NHRA to make the driver weight a part of the classification weight. Apparently, Don Nicholson and Dick Landy had more "pull" than I did. No kidding.... Imagine that!!! lol!

Never heard a PEEP from Mr. Holland.... LOL! Not a f'n word.... Wonder what he thinks, now???

For a good laugh, grab the March 20 issue of Nat'l. DRAGSTER and check out the text at the bottom of page 20 under "What's NEW?"; the Stocker segment at the bottom of the page. Somebody named John Bailey is going to have a Firebird that can EASILY go head-to-head with the new CJ Mustangs... LOL!!!


Bill

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Hey Ed
Who was it. Also you going to atco this weekend.
Dennis

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Hi Dennis;
Since I guess my posts are invisible the answer is Bob Shaw @ 16.357 (-.543).
No to Atco this week.Birthday on Friday with family.Now I can sing along with the Beatles (When I'm 64).
No job yet,so the season looks lost so far.See you down the road.

Ed

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Happy Birthday Ed many more.

Dennis

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Maybe the cars need to stay in their origanal class and not be able to move up or down race to race. It would make it tougher to avoid heads up races. Some of us more senior racers can remember when s/ss was the most popular eliminator, sure miss that.

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How about when it was about the only eliminator.

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I wonder how much TOBYS car weights?????????

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If Toby's(and anyone else's car) is over max running over the scales will show how much and the driver will have to adjust it or go down to the next class for that race.If it's a case where it's not possible to
stay in that class then the driver/owner will have to work it out to either have the shipping weight reviewed
or the car will have to run at the next class.I'm not ragging on large people but let's face it.It isn't a perfect world,we can't always get what we want.Many moons ago my ambition was to join the NYPD.I wore contact lenses at the time and took the written test,which i passe with flying colors.Long story short,
20/30 vision uncorrected,I didn't meet the standard,just as someone who was ,lets say fond of eating,
couldn't scale a 6' wall.I accepted that fact and moved on.If your size prevents you from making the max weight either change combos,have the shipping weight verified or just move down one class.It's not rocket science you know.
Again any large starred people don't take my post as a stab at you but we all can't always get what we want in life.

Ed F.

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My car is always at least 130 to 140 Lbs. over in the driver seat.

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But that 130-140# still keeps you in a class without having to go down a class,correct?


Ed F.

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Sounds like your car is a better TOP STOCK car at 8.25 than an A/SA at 8.00.If you dropped to B/SA,I bet you would break a lot of parts.

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HEY ED

your just a young BOY

have a happy b

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Thanks Vic.Can I call you old timer?LOL

Ed

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Think about this: if me and the car weigh 900lbs over but I still want to run D/S.....why the hell should the NHRA care? I'm going to lose my class every time but why should they care...it's still money in their pocket and I'm racing in the class I want to race in?

Jim

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If you entered the car and if it's legal for C then you're giving yourself a better chance at winning class.
Maybe who you have to run will push it and bulb.That's one reason.Also by having everyone run weighing

inside the range for the class would make more cars show what they have and help the AHFS catch bogus HP ratings.
But nah screw 'em I get what I want and **** the rest.
If we don't do our part NHRA sure as poop won't make a move to straighten out the AHFS.
Then of course you race Nostalgia and it's 100% bracket racing,with some high $ cars.
Ed F.

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ed

yep

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I have raced NHRA, IHRA, AHRA, and NASCAR all with max wedge and E/MP cars I moved to NSS when the NHRA went to bracket racing for stock class and super stock. You run off dial in's, NSS runs off indexes! If you're in a class that is 10.00 to 10.49 in weight where does your car fall...at the 10.00lbs or do you add weight and run off the 10.49lbs?

You run in a class that might have 7 cars all with different dial in's in B/NSS all seven cars run off a 10.50 index and I built the car for a little over $5,000.00 I already had the body!....How much did you spend?

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Nope!

Once again explain to me what advantage do I have if I want to run D/S and be 400 lbs too heavy and the car should actually run in say L/S?

If you google NMCA rules you will find out that it is strictly class racing, we run on an index and there is no dialing down like NHRA stock racers do.

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Explain to me first how you can jump from D to L,without changing engine combos.
Oh,and why can't I call Vic old timer?

Ed F.

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Obviously I'm not being clear and I apologize for that. Let's say that my car weighs in at 10.49 in the 10.00-10.49 but I add the allowed 100lbs to fall into the next lower class say10.75 but I still want to run the higher class 10.00 to 10.45, why should the NHRA have a problem with that? Same engine, same car just more weight.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about something else.....I thought I was the oldest fart on here. Started racing in '63

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It's just my opinion that everyone,within the confines of correct shipping weight should run in the upper and lower limits of the class that their weight dictates.This will help to get HP factors closer where they need to be by limiting some of the bagging going on.It's common knowledge now that the CJs need lots of HP as the incoming Mopars will.It might also out some of the hidden combos.We are at a time where we don't need to lose participants in S/SS
because these new and obscure combos are keeping cars in the garage.NHRA also has to do their job in policing it to make it work.Wishful thinking?Probably but you have to start somewhere.OK old timer LOL?
Us middle aged guys will probably never see it happen,but ya never know.Who woulda thunk our govt.would go Socialist on us?

Ed F.

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[quote=Ed Fernandez;112999]It's just my opinion that everyone,within the confines of correct shipping weight should run in the upper and lower limits of the class that their weight dictates.This will help to get HP factors closer where they need to be by limiting some of the bagging going on.It's common knowledge now that the CJs need lots of HP as the incoming Mopars will.It might also out some of the hidden combos.We are at a time where we don't need to lose participants in S/SS
because these new and obscure combos are keeping cars in the garage.NHRA also has to do their job in policing it to make it work.Wishful thinking?Probably but you have to start somewhere.OK old timer LOL?
Us middle aged guys will probably never see it happen,but ya never know.Who woulda thunk our govt.would go Socialist on us?

Ed,

Just to show you how dumb I am, decided to convert my NSS '64 ply to B/SA, Dvorak is building the shortblock and I'm buying parts and pieces and hope to be up and running by the end of may. Like others funds are short but will try and run a limited number of races plus I belong to the southeastern stock and super stock association.

Jim

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[QUOTE=treessavoy;113001] Good luck with the car.If you see Doug Frazier at a Southern S/SS race tell him I'm working on the shirt I
promised him.

Ed