Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?
 

Driver A won class (NHRA's definition of a Class Winner)
Driver B lost in class

Hell, with today's rule, you could get a racer who WINS class, winning 3-4 rounds, but is only -.80 or -.85 and not one of the 128 quickest (-.88 bump I think this year). He's getting screwed too. He would not have been ten years ago.

It worked for fifty-plus years. You won Class; you raced in the race. The field was then filled with the quickest non-Class winning cars to make 128 (or whatever number back in the day). Then those who could not do either spoke up and we have what we have now (if you're not rich or have an under factored car or a modern car, stay home).

Maybe we should just make it Class Winners ONLY (and ALL Class winners) run eliminations. Forty or fifty Class Winners = 40-50 cars for round one. That would speed up the AHFS process a bunch. And piss a lot of people off I'm sure.

Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Answer: NO
 

Good point about class winners since there are no freebies any longer anyway. Win your class or combo. Not likely to be many bump ins anyway and if there is, there racer fought their way in.
All run makes it easy for NhRA and some guys that would like to just show up, but Indy should always be performance oriented. Indy is not broken. Breaking out the factory cars or getting some of the factors within 100 hp of reality would do it.

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Class winners should get in, solo or not, go back to that .5 under to win class rule. Most of the time Indy ruins the obscure combo for the rest of its life anyway so who cares. Let the FS cars duke it out for a spot in the eliminator, traditional HP rules better apply. It takes a few spots away from factory race cars eating up the top half of the ladder and opens them up for some 60s muscle, it also lets the AHFS do its job because people will be mashing the index to win class. It will also diversify the field a little bit and I think the crowd would like to see different makes and speeds going down the track. PS this is coming from a guy who has never won class.

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I have the most respect for the "fast guy" that's for sure, that is if he built it and made it fast himself. To me, the fast cars in "Class" is more about the builders and tuners, more than the driver. And in many cases it's simply more about the money. I see the veterans on here say that people should work on their combination so they can go fast. But then I see folks spend 150K on a COPO or Mustang or a Challenger that can't build anything. So to me, I can see that you can buy your way toward the top of the qualifying sheet. And the poor guy that has worked his combination for 20-30 years...and was toward the top at one time...can't race with the new cars. Now if that same guy...that was on top...showed up to Indy in a few years where there were 128 of the new cars, his 20-30 years was for not. And now this ole veteran that spent his life dedicated to class racing is on the outside looking in....I don't think so! Show a little respect! What if a racer is in points contention and needs that race to maybe win a championship but qualifies 129...whoa, you gotta be kidding...can't race? WTH The fast guys have a chance to show how much money they have, or how smart they are at tuning during "Class ". OK there you go. Now if one has the Grade points, and your car fits the rule book....and you pay for the event entry, You should be able to race the Eliminator. Don't forget, we should be trying to retain racers, and recruit new racers! Not do anything that would/could push someone over the edge of quitting. If you only get to participate during a portion of the event...then you should only have to pay for a portion on the entry. Yes it should be all run...the more the better

Wade Mahaffey

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OK. All three currently pay contingency. Should they move that money?

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This one is silly.....

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It doesn't work that way for any class, so why do you think the NHRA would do this (even after the math is fixed). What about contingency? Would the manufacturers step up for another category?


The Hemi cars run in Super Stock.

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You were asking where the money would/could come from. You were given two examples.

The profit percentage per car is the same, so NHRA makes the exact same amount of money on the factory race cars regardless of what class they enter. The new class does not cost NHRA money. In fact, with a new class, NHRA makes more money.

Well, the manufacturers, for their expenditure, would get a class that showcases their cars. So, it would be to their advantage.

A lot of the Hemi cars do not bother to run eliminations. The Hemi cars do not get a free pass on AHFS hits, either.

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I guess you haven't read enough of my posts to separate the humorous from the serious ones.

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Thank You Alan For Explaining This To Gump.

And Yes I Know The Hemi Shoot Out Cars Run In SS, mr. gump.

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Understood.


I am not sure that is exactly true. Entry fee and payout are a small percentage of the math when it comes to a National.


The problem with this argument is that with the Hemi Shootout, Mopar is guaranteed that a Mopar will win, so it is good for the brand. In an FX class there will always be two losers out of three. I can't see why any manufacturer would be jumping to spend advertising money on that kind of ROI opportunity. I think that contingency would be a much safer choice.

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I figured so much. That is why I called it silly.

Some on here love to blast the NHRA management on this subject. What I have seen isn't that far out compared to a lot of large American corporations.

I would add that humor of that kind would be a deal breaker in any corporate meeting.

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So Gump why not have an All chevy class or all ford class?

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Actually, they already have that stuff over at the NMCA/NMRA.

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no Indy shouldn't be a all run,
its Indy bring your "A" game
Sorry but last I looked SS & Stock are performance enhancing eliminators

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Looks like about 2 to 1 in favor of 128 fastest.

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or we could turn travis loose tear all 180 down on tuesday and he might pass 64 of them to race by friday ... ahhh thats too easy

captain

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everybody is legal for the last 4 years

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REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID THIS:



After being on here for about 10 years and over 3,000 posts I've come to the end of the line trying to put any ideas/opinions across.
The fine art of debate is dead and buried.The country/world has become so polorized that there is no more common ground.Everybody has their own agenda and no amount
of convincing will change it.You see it here on Class Racer in the S/SS and Lounge areas every minute of every day.
My personal solution is to just read the posts on here and just resist the temptation to respond when I agree or disagree.
The eagerness to go racing in 2011 has been sucked from me by a lack of funds and
the extra "enhancements" both here now and coming.I' have a little project car to keep me busy till things improve financially and racing wise.
I hope there will be a sport to come back to that will welcome lower level participants.
I guess the final straw is the fact that it seems the consensus seems to be that we don't
need to know who is in charge of determining our racing destiny and the lack of finding out.
We're just supposed to be led down the road without question,leaving our money and
spirit behind us.
Well,I'm tired of this ***** and I'm voting with my almost empty wallet.
I have about 5,000 more things on my mind but I'm worn out from snow removal duty.
Ken,if you think this post is too negative for your taste you're welcome to zap it.

I guess you should remember the same line!


Remember the old James Bond movie. Never say never again

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you too ed!!!!

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Agreed! Some people just have a hard time accepting that their "A Game" isn't enough and that dedication and hard work is the only fix.

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OMG now you've gone and damaged my self esteem forever. I'll never be the same.
Maybe I can atone for my crude manner by sending you a new snow shovel.
And don't let the door on the shed hit you in the *ss after you put the shovel back.

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You know,I wasn't at Indy,but I talked to somebody that was there.

There was at least one new car that had VERY little testing.

It had so much power that it wasn't getting down the track at all.

Finally,they took timing out of it,maybe added a bunch of weight ,and did everything they could to slow it down and get down the track.

Ended up qualifying VERY well.

Is this the hard work and dedication that you are referring to?

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Absolutely, whatever it takes. Never quit, never give up.

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hard work? I think santa claus is knocking at the front door again to use the bathroom

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I think everyone should get a participation Wally.

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I am going to have to disagree withy buddy Wade. The reason Indy is special is because you can't just show up with any old stocker and race. You have to have a badass hotrod to get in. Indy is where everybody meets in the middle same day same track to see who is the baddest. They do need to make some adjustments to the new cars to level the playing field. They had over 350 stock/ super stock cars this year I think there doing alright.

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NICE!:p

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Indy should NEVER be all-run. There are twenty-three other national events and forty-plus divisional races that are all run fields.

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Next year,I am hearing rumors that Top Sportsman,Top Dragster,and Super Street MIGHT be racing for points like Stock and Super Stock.

If this proves to be true,look for the quota in Stock to be about 128.

Get your grading points!