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Thanks Steve for putting it more eloquently than I did.

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Get a smaller rig or stay out of Michigan......problem fixed.

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X-Tech guys wants everyone to race like they did in the 70s....tow bars and wheel hubs. The elite racers would have a home built open trailer.

Racer cars would have white side walls on the slicks also.

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Yesterday I had the pleasure of witnessing a state hwy patrol officer changing a tire for an elderly lady in 100 degree temp. out on the interstate. He could have easily opted for ticketing all the race rigs traveling that road. He has my respect. And judging by that action he is following the right path. Most are just pigs out for a quick buck and an ego trip. Don't care who it offends as I have first hand experience as to the crooked tactics. Both in and out of court. Respect is earned not demanded by a uniform or a title. Keep on kissing ***** and this country will keep on going downhill in every aspect.

Also, I have a sign in my office that reads: I don't call 911

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Idiot.....Most states have a 60-65 ft length limlt. If you dont like the length limits then get the laws changed or quit crying. Why does someone drive a rig over 80 Ft and expect the law to look the other way?? Its just turned into a "see who has a bigger one" contest. Its one reason why theres no room at these older race tracks that never envisioned the racers bringing thier whole house and garage with them to the races.

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You have the option of not calling for assistance,and possibly suffering the consequences.
Law enforcement doesn't have that option.When they get called they just go,like fire dept and EMS employees.
I'm glad you're just a guy hiding behind a cute name and not someone who's job is to stand between normal people and the lowlife cretins walking the streets.I'm sure you'll
get the bad guys with your S&W 8 1/2" barrel Model 29.Dream on,using deadly force isn't what you see on tv and the movies.

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Ed and Terry both of you made my day, great quotes both of you. Thank you for making me laugh with your great sense of humor. Claude

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Yeah, who would want to race like they did in the stone ages? We're entitled to do more, with more, with no regard to the consequences...

Every penny of the car, truck, and trailer is paid for. Gets good mileage, can park anywhere, no hassles, etc., so I can afford to race. I had more than one guy come up to me at Michigan this weekend, surprised that I didn't have a huge rig, since they "see me in all the magazines". They expressed their appreciation for doing it the way I do.

http://www.staginglight.com/photos/tow.jpg

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Micheal great to see you enjoying racing how it was meant to be. In 1995 I remember seeing Chuck Rayburn at Maplegrove running the Keystone National(I think it was the year he won the Championship in Stock eliminator) with his Blue F250 Ford with a diesel he installed himself(great engine swap) and open trailer sleeping in the truck. It can be done but as we get older we miss the comfort of home, probably why we drag our house to the track.lol One of the reasons I love my Suburban so much was that we could sleep in it with mosquito netting around the windows.lol CR

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Actually Ed I see you are a "gun guy" yourself. I use the Mod. 29 pre lock for shooting 100 yd. plate matches. If you rely on someone else for your saftey I would hate to take that chance unless I was the type that couldn't take up for myself. Don't beat up on me because of my "cute" name.

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All of us don't have the option of defending ourselves,either by choice or by local gov't mandate.It's something I wouldn't have to resort to.Only as a last resort.We need law enforcement officers and the vast majority are there to do their job.As far as issuing
tickets,it's mandated by either upper management or politicians as a sorce of revenue.
So don't beat up on the copos because you got hassled by one.Remember,there's your side,his side,and the truth somewhere in between.
BTW,I like my 1991A1 and 3" Charter Arms 44 special.

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White side walls...really??? Fred, I think you're getting out there in left field with that one?

I think what he's talking about isn't that far back in time, but the not so recent past when racers carried only one car in one trailer (open like mine, or closed and no longer than 28'), that was towed by either a full sized pickup, or a Suburban? I know that more cars would fit into Bandimere Speedway (without needing the dreaded "North 40"), if rigs of such were the norm, and not visions of the past??? Besides, the 70's weren't so bad...We sure cared more about "MADE IN THE USA" then, thus a lot more people were able to go racing, than nowadays!!!

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I like my stainless steel Mossberg 500 pump with 00 Buck. Short barrel, pistol grip and I dont even have to aim. I keep telling you Ed you need to talk moma into moving to a non communist state so you can carry. The bad guys wont wait until you call for the law.

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Nice looking operation Mike! Yours is what X-Tech Man is talking about. If more of us would haul our cars like you do, then there would be more space in the pits for more racer operations. Although I don't have the full size truck like you do, my Colorado has hauled my car from Denver to Brainerd, and from Phoenix to Bakersfield, and several places inbetween both locales. Moreover, if my initial neighbors at this years Tucson divisional would've had a smaller rig, then they wouldn't have needed to park their car so close to the line separating my pit spot from theirs. Thus when the guys wife opened his right side door to help back up their car, it wouldn't have come across my fender like it did (thank GOD for the molding on my car that kept their door from trading paint with mine! I'm glad he apologized to me for her, because she didn't even have the decency to say she was sorry for her oversight...pit spaces are only so big, but racer rigs are getting larger and larger all of the time...forget the pro's squeezing us out of big races, those big rigs are doing enough of it themselves already!

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In a life or death situation you have seconds when the tax collectors with guns are minutes away....Who are you kidding...you are a mis informer!

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Mr. Fuller how many traffic stops have you conducted on the side of the road in the middle of the night? If you ever had you would have a whole new appreciation for what law enforcement officers do.

Ed Carpenter

Texas Highway Patrol

Corporal III

PS I will be at the IHRA D4 Crandall race in September if you care to find me we can discuss this further in person.

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FYI dueces wild, this link will show you just who has the most dangerous jobs.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleri...angerous-jobs/

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It must run in the family

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Now I see where Jason gets it...........SO SAD.....

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Jason,

I believe that I am more than qualified to speak on law enforcement matters and the enforcement of CDL licenses and commercial vehicles.. I enforced these laws, however vague they may be, because it was my job. I did this for over 20 years. The federal government started this program about 15 years ago and there is funding that goes to states that participate in the education of law enforcement officers for the very purpose of taking out the bad apples that traverse our country everyday. Most of the safety laws concerning the vehicles is pretty sound. The portions of law that concern over length, who needs a CDL based upon the use of vehicle and what exactly defines these matters is not clear. In large police departments, they have dedicated units that enforce these laws. In smaller departments they send a few to these classes and they enforce part time due to man power issues. These units or individuals, who enforce these laws are educated with whatever laws that passed from sub par bills. Now if you think for a minute that when the stink hits the fan, that these law enforcement officers will not respond to any matter regardless if it is a major incident or a minor accident then you are sadly mistaken. They are out there their every day and night doing their jobs, whatever they might be, not for personal gain but to provide a piece of mind for their residents and that they will look out for their well being. I won't defend the crummy laws surrounding these issues, but it is someones job to enforce them because it is their mandate. The only way to make the necessary change, is for persons like Mr. Mackie to pursue the appeal process and get in touch with their state politicians and discuss these incidents. It is a pain in the *** to do these things, but it will never change if apathy is applied to these incidents. In conclusion, I state that it is you Sir that is misinformed. Good luck with your anarchistic views, it will take you far. I will be at Bowling Green, Indy and Belle Rose in the coming weeks if you wish to persuade me to your way of thinking. Better yet, don't waste your time on me, I won't change my way of thinking or misinforming others.

Steve Williams

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Good post Steve,but why bother.You would get a more understanding conversation with a corn muffin than this fruit loop.

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OK boys!!! I think it is either time to put this thread to sleep or get back to the original topic, we have digressedfrom the original subject.

Motorhome rules for the most part are coverd under antiquated rules that were put into effect many years ago originally for the over the road trucking industry---A UNIFORM seperate set of rules needs to be implemented that will provide for the public safety and satisfy the motoring publics needs. Larger vehicles such as motorhomes with or without trailers/5th wheel pick up combinations and toterhomes towing trailers all need to be looked at and included in these new regulations so that users traveling from one state to another can be assured that the vehicle they are using will comply with that states traffic rules--These rules and regulations should cover not only all forms of racing but enthusiasts in other sports/hobbies etc.-Comp

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You should have an appreciation for what I do then...I Make things.... I create wealth as opposed to oppressing the people with a policeman discretion of enforcing the laws they choose to enforce on any given day...You want to be a real cop? Then get out of the car! Real cops walk the beat!

Traffic stop in the middle of the night...ROFLMAO! You guy make me lol, seriously...

Here's a fact...The city of Detroit has the most unsolved murders in the country...Who do you think is getting away with all these murders, cops! You guys are in a union together and lie under oath and make yourselves out to be something you are not, indeed!

Don't ever call me sir again either! I work for A living!

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man, i was trying to stay out of this one but jason ,you are WAY out of line, i would be the first to agree there are people in law enforcement that really do the job no justice, but its the same in any other field of employment,i am personal friends with many in law enforcement and they will be the first to tell you there are bad apples anywhere,in anything you do,yeah i guess a bad cop can make alot of misery for people but then again a piss poor doctor probably could and is just as bad. flame on pal

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Jason,

Don't know where you get your facts, but your unsolved murders fact is false. Detroit is bad but there are two others that are ahead of Detroit. Ed Carpenter did not call you Sir, I did. It will never happen again. I would like to call you something else but really don't want to be banned. I won't get into a whizzing contest with you. Your comments are insulting, especially the lying part.

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You guys need to take this over to the YB.com............

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Do you wear that mask when you hold up little old ladies for their social security checks?

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Wow This post has gotten out of hand.

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This group can and will help with the improper motorhome ticketing.


http://www.motorists.org/

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Now that the nonsense is over, tell us more Alex. A fast look over the site I did not run across any motorhome stuff per say.

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Alex,

Alot of good info there. That is a start when dealing with the State Patrols of many states. I will be inquiring with the contacts I have in Michigan about many scenarios that can and do take place every weekend, regardless if you are a racer or not. I do not have pull, so to speak, but what I do have is alot of contacts and that is a start. I will pull my weight on this. Can I rely on others?

Steve Williams

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This is the type of thing NHRA should be helping with. I just don't know if they care enough to represent our interests.

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Mr Williams, Thanks for your efforts. I'm with you. We are stuck here in Ontario.where 75 feet is legal. Canceled two trips to Michigan so far (or reconsidered not to go at least as a result)
My email inquiry to MDOT only told me who was on holidays....& a few others to try & call who are not..... I tried to call today to see if a permit can be purchased some how. The lady i got connected to on a permit department only seems to know 3 words. "nothing over 65". She wouldn't actually say if there was such a permit. Just repeats like broken record........ Something must move there over 65 ft ????? I have read there regs & looked at permit forms but not very clear & certainly not very friendly to call! May try another number tomorrow. Or am i wasting my time????
Dave Stirk

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Just wondering if anyone in Michigan has heard of anything changing about these problems?

Was hoping to race alittle over there with the IHRA and NHRA but dont want to take any chances. Hoping someone has some good news about resolving this issue.

Thanks,

Andrew