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Hemi Moose 02-21-2012 10:37 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Melvin Yow's '70 Hemi Dart Swinger...was it converted or a body in white.

http://images23.fotki.com/v871/photo...82/main-vi.jpg

Hemi Moose 02-21-2012 10:45 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Another earlier shot of Melvin Yow's '70 Hemi Dart pro-stocker...I also recall reading that this car was a converted '68 Hemi Dart, but it's been so long that I'm not positive.

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparf...1&d=1338686890

Liteweight 02-27-2012 03:24 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 310810)
Liteweight, I've heard two different stories on the Larry Griffith '68 Hemi Dart, one that it was a converted car, and the other that it just got repainted but still had it's '68 sheetmetal...so I don't know which story to believe...but this '68 Hemi Dart was painted black with lots of chrome underneath before it got re-restored and lettered up in his name & colors again.
So, I got to looking at these pictures & came up with this. All 68 Darts came with black plastic door handle buttons. They changed to chrome in 69 & onward.
If you look at both Larry & Melvin's doors, both 70 cars appear to have black door buttons. So either they're original LO's or the doors came off an LO. But I do believe Larry's is his original 68 that was converted back when it was restored black.

I've been paying particular close attention to 70 & up Darts that might have had some surgery done on the tails lately.

liteweight

Hemi Moose 02-27-2012 10:15 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Here's a couple more old shots of Larry Griffith's '70 Hemi Dart pro stocker...

http://images47.fotki.com/v1474/phot...fith006-vi.jpg

http://images49.fotki.com/v1458/phot...fith009-vi.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...Griffith-2.jpg

Chris DeGidio 02-27-2012 10:21 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 310813)
Melvin Yow's '70 Hemi Dart Swinger...was it converted or a body in white.

http://images23.fotki.com/v871/photo...82/main-vi.jpg
IIRC, isn't this the CPPA test car from years ago as well??

Steve Stasko 02-28-2012 12:36 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris DeGidio (Post 311861)
Converted. IIRC, isn't this the CPPA test car from years ago as well??
The CPPA car started off as Charlie Allen's '68 440 Dart. It is in PA being converted back to a '68.

Chris DeGidio 02-28-2012 05:17 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
I read somewhere that the Melvin Yow car was converted. Just didn't know if it was the CPPA car,couldn't remember other than it was blue.

mopar68 03-06-2012 09:47 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geerhead55 (Post 300764)
He may not have had the record,,, but the early part of 1970 seemed to belong to Bill Jenkins and his '68 427 tunnel rammed Camaro, as he had back to back wins at the Winternationals and the Gatornationals, and also ran in the 9.90 range that day in Pomona, the first time Pro Stock was contested in NHRA national event competition. His opponent in each final was of course, Ronnie Sox in his Hemi powered '70 Cuda.
Danny Durham
From what I recall, Bill Jenkins ran a 430 cu. in. engine in his 1968 Camaro--not a 427--based on the 4.44" bore Can Am aluminum block and 3.47" stroke, i.e., big bore/short stroke/long connecting rod combo.

M68

mopar68 03-06-2012 09:52 PM
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Hey, Chris...nice avatar. :cool:

M68

mopar68 03-06-2012 10:01 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geerhead55 (Post 293192)
That photo is curious to me, as there are no side markers, which of course the '68 cars had round ones. Is this car really a '67 made over? Also, I believe the Cragar Super Trick wheels came out in '71 and the Centerline Auto Drag wheels were around late '73. I've broken enough Super Tricks loose over the years for front half polishing to know that the wheels in the photo are Centerlines,, so, I'm curious as to when this picture was taken. Did Bob run one of these Darts in Pro Stock as late as '73 or is this a tribute car at a later event. Its a neat shot, but I'll admit its got me thinking.
Danny Durham
Danny, I'm 99% sure this photo is from early 1972. Though the front wheels look like Centerlines, they are not. Bob Lambeck had a Plymouth Duster by 1973.

M68

Geerhead55 03-07-2012 01:31 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 313679)
From what I recall, Bill Jenkins ran a 430 cu. in. engine in his 1968 Camaro--not a 427--based on the 4.44" bore Can Am aluminum block and 3.47" stroke, i.e., big bore/short stroke/long connecting rod combo.

M68
M68,,,, Wow,, its been so long since I read this thread,,I had to go back and look at what I was referring to. Since I was responding to Paul's posting of early '70 Hemi dominance of Pro Stock, I should've referred to Jenkin's Camaro as simply big block powered, and not mentioned the cubic inches, as the size of the Hemis were not discussed, and some of those were destroked, but possibly not at that time.
I do remember the stories about Jenkin's Can-Am based powerplants, but I was thinking they were a later exercise, in his '69 car. My "Grumpy's Toys" book is on loan, so I can't check how dried up my brain cells are getting. The '70s were my favorite era of Pro Stock,,, the cars still looked like they were supposed to, and ran like nothing we'd ever seen.
Danny Durham

Geerhead55 03-07-2012 01:45 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 313683)
Danny, I'm 99% sure this photo is from early 1972. Though the front wheels look like Centerlines, they are not. Bob Lambeck had a Plymouth Duster by 1973.

M68
M68,,, If those wheels aren't Centerlines,, then I'd like to know what they are, since I see a whole lot of rivets as opposed to the fewer bolts that Cragar used on the Super Tricks.
Looking at posting # 56, in the middle picture, of Bob Lambeck's Cuda launching, the front wheels, to my old eyeballs, look like the Cragars, whereas the wheels on the Dart have a different appearance to me, and I'm not referring the chrome center caps.
Take care,,,, Danny Durham

Chris DeGidio 03-07-2012 09:28 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 313680)
Hey, Chris...nice avatar. :cool:

M68
Yours too!!

Hemi Moose 03-08-2012 12:15 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geerhead55 (Post 313727)
M68,,, If those wheels aren't Centerlines,, then I'd like to know what they are, since I see a whole lot of rivets as opposed to the fewer bolts that Cragar used on the Super Tricks.
Looking at posting # 56, in the middle picture, of Bob Lambeck's Cuda launching, the front wheels, to my old eyeballs, look like the Cragars, whereas the wheels on the Dart have a different appearance to me, and I'm not referring the chrome center caps.
Take care,,,, Danny Durham
Danny, I think your right...I remember seeing those wheels when they came out new...but it's been so long since I've seen a set like those that it's hard to tell whether they were Cragars or Centerlines...
but I see rivets or are they bolts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 291152)

Hemi Moose 03-08-2012 01:15 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Here's a few more pics of Bob Lambeck's '68 Hemi Barracuda...did Bob also run a W2 small block, because I always thought he ran big blocks.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...g?t=1238609889

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparf...1&d=1328459730

treessavoy 03-08-2012 01:49 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Supertricks always had a multi-bolt pattern while the Centerlines came in the individual bolt patterns....if I'm not mistaken. Also, Supertricks had a flatter finish while Centerlines were turned aluminum and were shinier.

And that's how I remember it....at my age , who knows.

JimR

a990hemi 03-08-2012 02:14 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Check out History Brooklyn, NY Infamous Street Racers over at the H.A.M.B (Jalopy Journal) for some interesting pics and stories of some famous Hemi SS cars that were street raced regularly for big bucks bitd.

Hemi Moose 03-08-2012 09:15 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Well here's one of Bill 'Grumpy' Jenkins and his Pro Stock Camaro, since a few of you were talking about it earlier...lets here some more old stories on him just to mix it up a bit.

http://dragracingonline.com/features...6-grumpy/C.jpg

marfen 03-08-2012 09:44 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Isn't this thread about hemi A bodies, so what's up with the Grump's chevy!

Hemi Moose 03-08-2012 10:08 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marfen (Post 314187)
Isn't this thread about hemi A bodies, so what's up with the Grump's chevy!
Yes the topic title is...Life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies...well they raced against some Brand X cars back then...just thought someone here might remember a few old stories of some of those match races from back then if that's okay with you...here's a report from the '70 Winternationals.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/news/index.html?story=235

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mopar68 03-09-2012 03:43 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geerhead55 (Post 313727)
M68,,, If those wheels aren't Centerlines,, then I'd like to know what they are, since I see a whole lot of rivets as opposed to the fewer bolts that Cragar used on the Super Tricks.
Looking at posting # 56, in the middle picture, of Bob Lambeck's Cuda launching, the front wheels, to my old eyeballs, look like the Cragars, whereas the wheels on the Dart have a different appearance to me, and I'm not referring the chrome center caps.
Take care,,,, Danny Durham
At first glance, the front wheels do look like Centerlines with Cragar polished aluminum plate in the center. Perhaps Bob had a prototype set of Super Tricks with rivets as opposed to bolts? The only one who knows for sure is Mr. Lambeck.

M68

mopar68 03-09-2012 03:48 AM
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Wicked!

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5...yspeedshop.jpg

M68

a990hemi 03-09-2012 10:57 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 314234)
This photo looks like it was taken at the Rockford Dragway in Byron,IL. What event was this from?

ww63 03-09-2012 11:21 AM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by a990hemi (Post 314264)
This photo looks like it was taken at the Rockford Dragway in Byron,IL. What event was this from?
Notice the drooped fenders!!!!!!!!! Probably one of the old Gas Coupe and Sedan meets

mopar68 03-09-2012 07:50 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 293706)
Notice the roof paint and the Car Craft decals on the side glass...so was this one of Landys 68 Hemi Darts converted into a 70 model....we know it wasn't #859 so was #866 converted or did he convert someone else's old race car.
http://www.firebirdonline.com/blast_...eck_bigger.jpg
Here's another angle and in color.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/652/s1970dart.jpg

M68

Hemi Moose 03-09-2012 07:57 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Here's a couple of shot's of Sox & Martin, Ed Miller, the Candy Cuda and their '68 Hemi Cuda's running in X/SS class...the early beginnings of pro-stock.

http://www.prostockhemi.com/gallery/soxmartin/44.jpg

http://www.prostockhemi.com/gallery2...serialNumber=1
http://images110.fotki.com/v566/phot.../main-2-vi.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-09-2012 08:02 PM
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Hey M68, any idea who's '68 Hemi Dart the Wayne County car was originally...it probably changed hands a few more times but it kinda looks like one of Bob Reed's later cars.

mopar68 03-09-2012 08:07 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 314378)
Hey M68, any idea who's '68 Hemi Dart the Wayne County car was originally...it probably changed hands a few more times but it kinda looks like one of Bob Reed's later cars.
No, I don't. The only name I can associate with this car is Wayne Dokken.

M68

mopar68 03-09-2012 08:22 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ww63 (Post 314269)
Notice the drooped fenders!!!!!!!!! Probably one of the old Gas Coupe and Sedan meets
That would be my guess.

M68

Hemi Moose 03-09-2012 08:40 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson (Post 264144)
The Bob Reed Dart was not a original Dart as he bought it from Larry Buckingham and it had a 440 in at that time. The car later went to Tueton as the Cajun Flyer and now is owned by Joe Faherty. Here is a picture of it right after Bob got the car running and its still painted blue.

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1308265300

...found these in another thread on Bob Reed's Dart.

Hemi Moose 03-09-2012 08:45 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 244845)
http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...a5fd91a4f4.jpg

Does anyone know if this was a 'real' Hemi Dart or not? Btw, check out the cigarette in Bob Reed's mouth.
M68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 245848)
Maybe it's old age and bad eyes but doesn't the nose of the Bob Reed Dart look "drooped"?
...another of Bob Reed's Dart.

Geerhead55 03-10-2012 01:38 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 313997)
Supertricks always had a multi-bolt pattern while the Centerlines came in the individual bolt patterns....if I'm not mistaken. Also, Supertricks had a flatter finish while Centerlines were turned aluminum and were shinier.

And that's how I remember it....at my age , who knows.

JimR
Jim,,, back around '75 I had a black '66 Nova SS that we'd mini tubbed, and I bought a set of Super Ticks for it. I took them all apart and ran the fronts down to a polisher, who did a fantastic job, but told me that the bolts wouldn't polish since they were a different material,, so I went to a specialty nut and bolt place here in town and purchased some black annodized Allen head bolts and put them back together, making sure they sealed down the middle and mounted them on the car. I got lots of compliments on them and guys would come up and stare at them saying "somethings different" but they could'nt put their finger on it, until I would point it out. The back bolts complimented the paint job, and gave the wheels a nice look.
Danny Durham

Hemi Moose 03-10-2012 03:50 PM
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A few more of Bob Reed's cars...'68 Hemi Barracuda.

http://images31.fotki.com/v1049/phot...68Cuda1-vi.jpg

http://images31.fotki.com/v1039/phot...68Cuda2-vi.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-10-2012 03:55 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
http://images32.fotki.com/v1058/phot...68Cuda1-vi.jpg

http://images35.fotki.com/v1208/phot...68Cuda2-vi.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-11-2012 12:55 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Here's one of Dick Landy's '69 Hemi Dart running in the X class...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9519/scan0530.jpg
http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=8806

Hemi Moose 03-11-2012 02:30 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 314373)
Here's another angle and in color.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/652/s1970dart.jpg

M68
Here's another shot of Dick Landy's '70 Hemi Dart pro-stocker, driven by Bob Lambeck...

http://images31.fotki.com/v1050/phot...artSS19-vi.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-13-2012 07:58 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Here's a shot of Grumpys Toy and a close up of those front mags racers were using back then...

http://images50.fotki.com/v1530/phot.../img258-vi.jpg

mopar68 03-13-2012 10:44 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 315168)
Here's a shot of Grumpys Toy and a close up of those front mags racers were using back then...
Looks like the Grump's 1970 1/2 Camaro had a set of 'Centerline' wheels up front same as Bob Lambeck's Dart. :)

M68

P.S. Cool pic.

Hemi Moose 03-16-2012 07:10 PM
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It looks like 'Da Grump' was mixing & matching mag wheels too back then...

http://images44.fotki.com/v1357/phot...rumpy72-vi.jpg

Frank Castros 03-16-2012 07:50 PM
Re: life after Super Stock for the Hemi A-bodies?
 
I respectfully disagree as those are the original Cragar Super Tricks.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 315732)
It looks like 'Da Grump' was mixing & matching mag wheels too back then...

http://images44.fotki.com/v1357/phot...rumpy72-vi.jpg


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