Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

Peter,

It appears that there are more than 10 people that have a negative view of the status of these cars. The lastest count has it as 189 on this forum alone. Granted, there are 10 or so that are stating their beliefs and there are a few that are weakly trying to justify these cars. It is good for the entertainment value.

Your assembly analogy is quite entertaining. No matter where and/or how many plants it takes for a manufacturer to assemble a car, the Drag Paks don't come assembled.

You seem to be the one with reading issues. Engine combinations are special runs and don't impact the body style outside of scoops and the like. The rule books says "Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style."

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None of you get the point or the rule, stop bitchen about how many engines were put in that body. Ford has done the same as Mopar, built 50 or more cars and added a list of engines options for those cars and nhra has accepted it. You all can bitch all you want but it is not going to change. Are the hp factors off ? You bet they are, are the cars special built and need there own class as the FI cars did to get the hp close ? They sure do, so what now ? Stop bitchen and get on nhra's ***. I think nhra will make an attempt to fix some of this but I dont see it coming till after the season ends and who knows what they will do, maybe nothing. My 2 1/2 cents worth

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Seems to me that you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

Bob,

We are in total agreement. I think that the NHRA knows that they have allowed something that has gotten out of hand. Some rumors say that they plan to fix it. Maybe if they get a few more respectfull requests from racers they will actually do something that will make the majority happy.

Take Care,

Daren

PS. How old do you have to be to get the extra 1/2 cents?

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65 !

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Older than dirt !

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Your a bad man Terry, look who is calling the kettle black !

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You all have 3 months to bitch, argue and complain. It will keep you from becoming bored for awhile but they will have their own class for 2011 in stock. I havent heard what they will do about the ones in Super Stock yet. Enjoy !

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lol.......I just turned 32......twice.

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Well that's just not fair. You old people get everything!

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The focus has been on the engines and Ed Wright stated the same. Just because the assembly issue is brought up, that doesn't change the focus.



Don

Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

We have gotten on the NHRA's case about these cars. Are you upset that we are discussing this openly? Does it bother you that we do? Don't open the thread if it does! I don't see how it is any skin off your nose what is posted.

Don

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I had heard from a pretty good source that this might happen. Do you know that it's 100% for sure?

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99.99% sure. But ya never know until its in the rule book. They could go another direction when it suits them.

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you should probably look under our car before you run your mouth...............I'm just saying

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Don,

If you read all my posts since these cars were first announced you will see that my attitude towards them has changed quite a bit. I have a new Camaro and a Challenger. Before it is all over I will probably have a Mustang too. I think that these cars are great. I feel that if we had just the 6.1 Hemi and the 2008 spec. Mustangs things would have settled down in a reasonable amount of time. But, with new "package" motors being released on a regular basis I feel that an FX class is the right place to put these cars. It just isn't right to flood every class with them.

Daren

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Go on post all you want dgal but you mite in gauge you brain before you wine on in front of everyone else. At least I post my name and list where I live. Some things never change on this site

Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

I figured that you don't have a reason to complain about the Drag paks or CJ's either way because if you havn't replaced the swing axle, you havn't done everything there is to make you competitive, and if you have replaced it then your car is no better than the Drag paks or CJ"s. Which is it?

Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

Let me get this straight (hard not to since it is in writing). You have a new Camaro and a Challenger. You are working on getting a Mustang. This is just not right to have that much fun! You surely must have a modicum of guilt. Right? :D

Don

Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

no, we haven't. but there is a reason for that. The car is a real 427/435, not going to cut it up. we can grind the roll bar out but you have to hack up a fair amount of stuff to put a straight axle in one. Also the car has been a 1.34 60' and over 132mph at A/SA weight so I don't think the rear hinders the car at all, there is a lot of engineering in making the IRS function efficiently.

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Yes, because putting a live axle under the car will obviously make it 5 tenths faster. :rolleyes:

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oh come on Alan, its gotta be worth at least .7 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Found your problem

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How about we re-class every car in stock. Instead of creating a new class, everyone could move down one class but keep the same weights. A/S become B/S AA becomes A, and so forth.

Then at the top, the proposed A/FX class could just be AA. Then NHRA could correct or adjust the Natural class numbers such that all of the 6.1 Challengers and Blown Cobrajets have to run in AA and A(Even though the Cobrajets are much further form being classed correctly, NO challenger will run 9.40's). The 5.7 and 5.9 could be corrected/adjusted as well so that they would be classed for the the new B/SA(for the 5.7) and D/SA(for the 5.9) where they could run side by side with all the old muscle that we all love.

I do think that the blow cobrajets however may need to have a AA/SA-C for themselves because they will have to have to be near 4000lbs before you could get the factor correct, so I say put them in there own class.

This is my hypothesis / theory....

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I think the DP cars and and CJ's without blowers should stay in stock. The blown CJ's belong in SS with a realistic HP rating. As of 9/28/10 AA/S and AA/SA index is now 10.60....:eek:

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If NHRA lowered the AA index's it dosent help the older cars one bit. All it means is the blown Mustangs will have to step on it if they want more HP.

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Wrong...If you are going to hate the cars, then at least know what you hate.

The original/delivered rear axle is a Mopar built axle (I sold mine for $450)... and this one lets us run a 4 link rear, and the tranny is all full of gears... I still have a beautiful shiny new Viper tranny I got in my car, sitting in my office. We are polishing the case to go into my retro 70 Challenger 6.1 coupe.

I am not trying to stir the pot as some may be, I am just trying to keep the facts right.

But for those of you who simply wish to ignore any facts.................. then .... well... uh..... sorry for bothering you....

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Well you got yourself a rare one then, because the DP cars were sent out with a caravan rear axle and last time i checked i didn't think you could attach a driveshaft to them LOL! and as for the trans well lets just say your not going racing with it unless your racing against farm tractors.

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Maybe he got a "Special" unit.....LOL.

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Actually you are both right. The 2009's came with a transmission and rear assembly that you have to replace. For 2010 they left that stuff out.

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Actually unless you ran a slower class stocker, only the 2010 Cobra Jets came with a trans you could race from the factory. In todays stock eliminator a 69 camaro or a 70 hemi cuda couldn't be competetive with a trans as it came from the factory. Also how many cars from the factory came with aftermarket axles and spools ? They all have to be modified!

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Missqoted, misspoken, which one, lol

Not so rare, mine too? Viper trans, irs.!:)

9 people in hand(some recent deletions (was 10)) and 189 birds in the bush is not a very convincing ratio. 5% only, willing to go to print, lol. Not a very good backing on dissing the Drag Pak's and FR500CJ's? :(

The new cars will get lots of attention from younger buyers!:D

Peter

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Yeah, I'm sure those 20 somethings will go out and buy an $85K car. Because if they buy a production two ton Challenger, they're going to be just a little disappointed.:rolleyes:

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Peter,

I agree with you, but there are many more Camaros being sold than Mustangs and especially the Challengers. The NHRA experiment isn't having the sales impact for the Mustangs and Challengers that marketing through movies like Transformers seemed to help the Camaros.

I could be totally wrong about what is driving the sales, but I am not wrong about the Camaro outselling the other two and they aren't fielding an FX car.

Don

Re:New Weight Breaks
 

What needs to be done is NHRA should start the weight breaks at 6.0 for "A", 6.5 for "B", or so on up. Todays "A" cars would be an "E" and this way the new cars could be factored to a more correct horsepower and not have to weigh 4000 pounds. Plus, look at how busy all the letter makers would be over the winter. Simple solution to a complex problem. Dyno

Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 

Great thought Dyno except it would still requier NHRA to place proper horse power on the new cars.

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Hey, what happened? 2011 Challenger DP V-10 thread has put this thread out to pasture. Sure glad that there were no opinions expressed or arguing in this thread. Yeah, right.!

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I think people are just sick of the NHRA policy that has gotten things to the way they are now in stock eliminator and somewhat in Super Stock. They are just waiting to see how it shakes out for 2011. Im sure a lot are just sick of talking about it and not able to do anything about it except complain to NHRA or complain on this forum.