CLASS RACER FORUM
Page 3 of 7 12 3 45 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

CLASS RACER FORUM (https://classracer.com/classforum/index.php)
-   Stock and Super Stock (https://classracer.com/classforum/forumdisplay.php?f=3)
-   -   2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes (https://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=29306)

Alan Roehrich 10-28-2010 07:21 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Jim,
You started in 1902?

Woodro Josey 10-28-2010 07:25 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Hey Alan, do you know the approved blocks yet?:confused:

Ed Wright 10-28-2010 07:30 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 218727)
And the slow cars conveniently forget the advantages they have, not seeing the other car leave first, less time on the chip, the converter, and the brakes, as well as less worry about the rapidly growing problem of questionable track prep.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.
I don't see how it could be stated better than this. Only a slow car that always leaves first could fail to see the other side. I'm in the middle, I do both. I prefer to not having to have the other car distract me, I prefer to leave first. Faster cars don't worry about being green when they have already won. I'll take a shot I wouldn't normally take if I already won, just to see if I can get away with it. I know I'm not the only one.

Tom keedle 10-28-2010 07:53 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean3870 (Post 218744)
Im a slow car, always will be a slow car! i have a fix for it. just stop giving out R.T.s that will fix it all. you have a starting line, and a finish line, and you both have the same one!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe ill just put mine back on the street! go to car shows way less bitching
mike dean
3870


less bitching at car shows!?!?!?
hardly....

Ed Fernandez 10-28-2010 07:56 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

Alan,correct me if I'm wrong.Not one of the slower cars guys have complained about the advantages the faster cars have.It seems some of the prissy faster guys have bitched about the distraction of us slower guys leaving.
Try closing it up on a guy going 25-now almost 55 mph faster than you.We don't.We just go out there and do our best.
I really feel for the higher class guys contending with the new cars heads up.As far as the red light rule,suck it up boys and live with it.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

I've lived by an airport and it never did bother me.Maybe some of the bitchers/moaners lived near a dump.That would explain a lot.

Jeff Lee 10-28-2010 07:57 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 218763)
I guess the drivers complaining must red light alot.
Why dont you crying no racing donkeys get off the computer.
And you same donkeys want to get rid of HEADS UP RACING..
Do us all a favor and take up golf or TV couch potato racing..
Or be .200 in the tree AND YOU WONT GO RED!!
I was in Stock against a top ten contender for the championship. National one weekend, divisional the next. I had the faster car. Both races he red lit. So did I.
Both races I red lit worse. Both races he went home and I advanced. He wasn't happy.
You build a slower car, you build a faster car. Either way, you know the pitfalls of both going in.
This jiberish is almost always by a no-name. Either a no-name in bracket racing or a no-name in class racing.

Alan Roehrich 10-28-2010 08:13 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodro Josey (Post 218835)
Hey Alan, do you know the approved blocks yet?:confused:
Sorry Woodro, haven't heard a thing, yet. I'll let you know if/when I do.

Alan Roehrich 10-28-2010 08:21 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 218852)
If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

Alan,correct me if I'm wrong.Not one of the slower cars guys have complained about the advantages the faster cars have.It seems some of the prissy faster guys have bitched about the distraction of us slower guys leaving.
Try closing it up on a guy going 25-now almost 55 mph faster than you.We don't.We just go out there and do our best.
I really feel for the higher class guys contending with the new cars heads up.As far as the red light rule,suck it up boys and live with it.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

I've lived by an airport and it never did bother me.Maybe some of the bitchers/moaners lived near a dump.That would explain a lot.

Ed,
When the idea of the AA class was proposed, a few of the slower guys complained bitterly that the fast cars were already fast enough, and had enough advantages.That's just one example.

I think this whole thing is way overblown. I wouldn't throw a fit if they did change it. I just don't see the case for doing so as being so overwhelming. There are a few advantages to slow cars, and a few to fast cars, it seems to be about level. I think a lot of people build fast cars because they like to go fast. I know I have zero interest in racing anything slower than an 11 second car. But that's just my personal preference. I certainly wouldn't be all bent about it changing like some of these guys seem to be about it not being changed. I wasn't playing the game then, but I'd have never had a complaint with people deep staging.

Ed Carpenter 10-28-2010 08:54 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
I know others are thinking this so ill say it. How did new rules for 2011 turn into worst red light loses, fast cars vs slow cars, bracket vs class racing, clean trees, etc

Ed Fernandez 10-28-2010 08:54 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 218868)
Ed,
When the idea of the AA class was proposed, a few of the slower guys complained bitterly that the fast cars were already fast enough, and had enough advantages.That's just one example.

I think this whole thing is way overblown. I wouldn't throw a fit if they did change it. I just don't see the case for doing so as being so overwhelming. There are a few advantages to slow cars, and a few to fast cars, it seems to be about level. I think a lot of people build fast cars because they like to go fast. I know I have zero interest in racing anything slower than an 11 second car. But that's just my personal preference. I certainly wouldn't be all bent about it changing like some of these guys seem to be about it not being changed. I wasn't playing the game then, but I'd have never had a complaint with people deep staging.
Alan,deep staging is another thing.That being said,I was against killing the deep staging,as was Toby.I learned fast that it really wasn't necessary.I didn't need it to screw up on the lights:>):>).It did lessen the game playing though,which was a good thing.
Come on Alan,a lot of guys build fast cars to feed their egos.

Alan Roehrich 10-28-2010 09:25 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 218887)
Alan,deep staging is another thing.That being said,I was against killing the deep staging,as was Toby.I learned fast that it really wasn't necessary.I didn't need it to screw up on the lights:>):>).It did lessen the game playing though,which was a good thing.
Come on Alan,a lot of guys build fast cars to feed their egos.
Ed,
I do not pretend to know whether people build fast cars to feed their egos. I know what I like, I know what the people I race with like. They like fast cars (actually, they're in love with 69 Camaros, but that's another story). If people build fast cars to feed their ego, I neither know nor care. You like your car, it makes you happy. That's fine with me. Everyone should race what makes them happy. Outside of the bogus factors and that sort of thing, I don't see why people get so hung up on what other people race.

Bimbo Jones 10-29-2010 09:51 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Deuces Wild is right, I'm not sure how this thread evolved into a worst red light debate but it is something I whish they try in bracket racing as a test. As far as rules not changing in the past 45 years. Before Stock became a mostly shoe polish eliminator many racers had extra cars to put their drive train in as NHRA played with the HP ratings. Or saw their combo become obsolete over night because some guy in another division bombed the index. Yeah we've seen more changes in the past 45 years than most want to recall and have made Stock into what is more like Super Stock was when I first got envolved with drag racing. But I still think it's the best eliminator out there. Ed you summerized the Pro/Cons debate real well. So save us the trouble of reading this entire thread to find out what 2011 rule changes have been mentioned so far and let's get this thread back on track.

Chad Rhodes 10-29-2010 09:58 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimbo Jones (Post 218973)
Deuces Wild is right, I'm not sure how this thread evolved into a worst red light debate but it is something I whish they try in bracket racing as a test. As far as rules not changing in the past 45 years. Before Stock became a mostly shoe polish eliminator many racers had extra cars to put their drive train in as NHRA played with the HP ratings. Or saw their combo become obsolete over night because some guy in another division bombed the index. Yeah we've seen more changes in the past 45 years than most want to recall and have made Stock into what is more like Super Stock was when I first got envolved with drag racing. But I still think it's the best eliminator out there. Ed you summerized the Pro/Cons debate real well. So save us the trouble of reading this entire thread to find out what 2011 rule changes have been mentioned so far and let's get this thread back on track.
you are absolutely right, and I apologize for helping get it off topic. For the record, I'm not necissarily against a WORST red light rule, I am however against using stock and SS as the test bed for it. That's the last I have to say about it. back to the topic at hand.

art leong 10-29-2010 10:25 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
I have one gripe about being the slower car.
My neck hurts.
Does anyone realize how fast I have to spin my head when a car goes by me 55 to 60 mph faster than me? It worst than watching a Nascar race. It's like a tennis match on steroids.

LOL LOL

Ed Wright 10-29-2010 10:28 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Chad, the approved sbc Bow Tie block part numbers are at the top of the sbc approved rod list, the others may be listed with the rods also.

Eric Merryfield 10-29-2010 10:40 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by art leong (Post 218981)
I have one gripe about being the slower car.
My neck hurts.
Does anyone realize how fast I have to spin my head when a car goes by me 55 to 60 mph faster than me? It worst than watching a Nascar race. It's like a tennis match on steroids.

LOL LOL
I will be back to doing that again this season when I play in Super Stock and with my slow stocker. What you need is the biggest rearview mirror you can find that is legal to your year and of course a nice functioning side mirror. If you get enough of a head start, you can rate their wheelie in your rearview. I like the finish line drama of, will I get there, can he catch me, etc.

Is the burnout time new in the rulebook?

Super
Stock, Stock, Super Gas, and Super Street drivers may not cross the starting line on
any burnout; stationary burnout limit is five seconds.

I have been restraining myself, trying to cut back, but 5 seconds seems pretty short. Burnouts are part of the fun and the "show" for the fans....

Eric

art leong 10-29-2010 10:46 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield (Post 218988)
I will be back to doing that again this season when I play in Super Stock and with my slow stocker. What you need is the biggest rearview mirror you can find that is legal to your year and of course a nice functioning side mirror. If you get enough of a head start, you can rate their wheelie in your rearview. I like the finish line drama of, will I get there, can he catch me, etc.

Is the burnout time new in the rulebook?

Super
Stock, Stock, Super Gas, and Super Street drivers may not cross the starting line on
any burnout; stationary burnout limit is five seconds.

I have been restraining myself, trying to cut back, but 5 seconds seems pretty short. Burnouts are part of the fun and the "show" for the fans....

Eric
Eric I go 106 or 107 mph on a good day, in race mode. I'm running cars that go over 160 mph. You can't believe how fast they go by me. I learned lifting is not an option I just stab the brake a bit.
At the 1000' mark they look like a fly turd on my mirror.

PS I'm not really gripping here just kidding. They can not judge how quick they are closing on me. If they lift when they catch me it's to late.

treessavoy 10-29-2010 11:32 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Zenzen 5402 (Post 218661)
Lets see, three orign chev tri-powers sitting on the shelf. What can we build???

Nothing but 348's

JimR

treessavoy 10-29-2010 11:44 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 218815)
Jim,when you started in 1902 did you ever get to meet Henry Ford?:>):>):>)Did they have Firestone slicks then?

You're right about Nascar sanction at Atco.I have a weekly paper from Atco from about 1965 with the Nascar logo at the top of the page.
Ed,

Actually he was my main sponsor. The car ran in a/s at 36 hp but once the cars started running faster than 30 sec. in the 1/4 I had to quit.......too fast for me!

I ran the first set of Casler cheaters on the car. Never won a race, those Oldsmobiles always caught me at the big end, Hell, they would run 45mph.

I was only 50 then.

JimR

treessavoy 10-29-2010 11:46 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 218832)
Jim,
You started in 1902?
Yeah, and I was only 50 at the time!

JimR

Barry Polley 10-29-2010 01:28 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
New blocks you say... Yeah buddy! And valve springs too? Xmas is early! Now if we can get the steel dart head approved?
On the red light rule, you choked first you are toast.
Looks like NHRA is doing time managment also. 5 sec burnout, Wonder if that comes from the air quality folks... kidding...

Myron Piatek 10-29-2010 03:37 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Polley (Post 219023)
New blocks you say... Yeah buddy! And valve springs too? Xmas is early! Now if we can get the steel dart head approved?
On the red light rule, you choked first you are toast.
Looks like NHRA is doing time managment also. 5 sec burnout, Wonder if that comes from the air quality folks... kidding...
I bet it's for the same reason I heard they went from a 5 bulb tree to a 3 bulb. To save time! It adds up over hundreds of runs. "Time is money".

....or maybe the Pro cars hook too hard when the sportsman lay down too much of their rubber compounds.:p

Barry Polley 10-29-2010 03:49 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myron Piatek (Post 219043)
I bet it's for the same reason I heard they went from a 5 bulb tree to a 3 bulb. To save time! It adds up over hundreds of runs. "Time is money".

....or maybe the Pro cars hook too hard when the sportsman lay down too much of their rubber compounds.:p
Well we know it's not for track prep or anything for the sportsman racer. Next thing will be a minimum dial... Taking too long to get to the stripe!

Eric Merryfield 10-29-2010 05:31 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Polley (Post 219023)
New blocks you say... Yeah buddy! And valve springs too? Xmas is early! Now if we can get the steel dart head approved?
On the red light rule, you choked first you are toast.
Looks like NHRA is doing time managment also. 5 sec burnout, Wonder if that comes from the air quality folks... kidding...
Until I killed my first set of slicks on the DP in less than 25 runs I used to enjoy doing those soul cleanings long drawn out burnouts that take so long the the guy in the water box shakes his head in disgust..and like Ed you can have a snack and brush your teeth too..That and the lack of a side mirror on the DP made for a challenge.......its a good way to get your water temp up to snuff though....

Now I do the weenie burnout, feels kind of weird, but I may visit the lucky Hoosier trailer less often!

I will try to post my 70 challengers last run of the year video from last season. Now that was a righteous burnout.....

Eric

Bunkster 10-29-2010 11:43 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Polley (Post 219023)
...On the red light rule, you choked first you are toast....
Then I presume, if you "choke first" at the finnish line, you are toast there as well?

If not, why not?

Ed Fernandez 10-30-2010 12:27 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunkster (Post 219140)
Then I presume, if you "choke first" at the finnish line, you are toast there as well?

If not, why not?
Get real.

hemidup 10-30-2010 02:22 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
What if both car's redlight and then both leave the track boundaries? Who win's then?

X-TECH MAN 10-30-2010 07:34 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hemidup (Post 219150)
what if both car's redlight and then both leave the track boundaries? Who win's then?
nhra !

Adger Smith 10-30-2010 08:44 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Jerry,
I think that scenario falls under the current "First or Worst" heading. With 2 red lites not being the worst. The first car going out of bounds of it's assigned lane being the worst.
What happens if the guy in the left lane (faster car) looses it and rolls over into your lane and you swerve into his lane to avoid a crash? Who is out, who is in and does your run count?

novassdude 10-30-2010 10:26 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Trick question the slower car would have left first so he would be ahead of the wreck. But in your senario I would think the slow car would get the win as he was making a evasive move.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 219162)
Jerry,
I think that scenario falls under the current "First or Worst" heading. With 2 red lites not being the worst. The first car going out of bounds of it's assigned lane being the worst.
What happens if the guy in the left lane (faster car) looses it and rolls over into your lane and you swerve into his lane to avoid a crash? Who is out, who is in and does your run count?

Barry Polley 10-30-2010 11:46 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunkster (Post 219140)
Then I presume, if you "choke first" at the finnish line, you are toast there as well?

If not, why not?
?? I guess you are refering to a bad decission? Red, too fast, too slow, excessive braking. In any case, you own it.

Jeff Lee 10-30-2010 01:10 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Why don't you guys start a new thread under "2012 and beyond rule proposals"
It's so typical that these somewhat informative threads get taken over buy those that can't stay focused. Hmmm...wonder what that says about their racing prowess..?

Jim Wahl 10-30-2010 01:13 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 219162)
Jerry,
I think that scenario falls under the current "First or Worst" heading. With 2 red lites not being the worst. The first car going out of bounds of it's assigned lane being the worst.
What happens if the guy in the left lane (faster car) looses it and rolls over into your lane and you swerve into his lane to avoid a crash? Who is out, who is in and does your run count?
There again I would think the "first or worst" rule would apply. The first car to go out of bounds is out? Jim

Nitro Joe Jackson 10-30-2010 03:23 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
one rule i seen done at the Sports Nats and i hope it starts getting used was the "Who run's first in SS or Stock" rule as they made the last 4 qualifiers and who ever they was paired up with in Rd 1 run first. I will make a point to send a e-mail to all division directors and tell them this is a good deal and might speed things up on getting cars going after they are paired up and nobody wants to move to be the first couple of pairs.
32 car field:
16 vs 32
15 vs 31
14 vs 30
13 vs 29
This would be first 4 pairs

SPS 10-30-2010 04:53 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Joe:
You could call it the "bottom feeders" or "sand baggers" rule.

We all know who they are.

FJ

Hurley1828 10-30-2010 07:47 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Hi my name is Shelby Hurley and I had previously wrote a letter to NHRA concerning a stocker rules change requesting the year limit cutoff to be pushed back to 1955 and posted it on classracer to discuss views on the situation. And I would like to thank everyone that supported the stockers rule change, those that wrote into NHRA, and NHRA itself for the change in the upcoming race season.
We were told by so many people that this would "Never" happen, however, my dad and I are both very excited that our 1955 Chevy Belair stocker can now run both IHRA and NHRA.

Thanks Again!
Shelby Hurley

Ed Wright 10-30-2010 10:03 PM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Looks good to me Joe.

Adger Smith 10-31-2010 01:27 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
It happened to me in Qualifying. I was the slower car. IHRA tossed both runs, mine and his. Lucky for me it was my first qualifying pass and there were 2 more. I wonder if it has ever happened in eleminations to anyone?

Larry Munk 10-31-2010 07:13 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Shelby,
I saw you and your dad's car at the Richmond Dragway race in June. Congtatulations on your effort to get the old cars back in the guide. Your car is very nicely done and is sure to turn heads wherever you go with it.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurley1828 (Post 219238)
Hi my name is Shelby Hurley and I had previously wrote a letter to NHRA concerning a stocker rules change requesting the year limit cutoff to be pushed back to 1955 and posted it on classracer to discuss views on the situation. And I would like to thank everyone that supported the stockers rule change, those that wrote into NHRA, and NHRA itself for the change in the upcoming race season.
We were told by so many people that this would "Never" happen, however, my dad and I are both very excited that our 1955 Chevy Belair stocker can now run both IHRA and NHRA.

Thanks Again!
Shelby Hurley

CBS 10-31-2010 08:25 AM
Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes
 
Joe,

I liked what they did at the sports nats with the 1st 4 pairs.....now if they would follow Division 4 and stagger the tree in qualifying.....

Rock Haas


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:56 PM.
Page 3 of 7 12 3 45 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.