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If the speed limits that have been discussed on here come true then I won't be able to run S/C either. However, I was thinking of T/S or T/D which I am not legal for either.


I thought you were one of the people on here that wanted to get rid of electronics. If you are not, then I retract that statement.

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I'm not sure when we will see the results......but maybe this week.....I will check....

Rock....
9.90 @ 154....most of the time...

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Rock, 9.90@154 with 725 psi brake pres.!!!!!

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Hey now.... my PA would NEVER tell a BS story.

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660....lol

We have not changed anything since 2007.....it's just slowing down from being worn out.....lol


Rock

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Hello Again
I would like to thanks everybody for responding.
Well it looks like everybody is kinda happy with the way things are.

I personlly like the S/ST H/R class, but would like to see it as a back half only type class.
But thats just me, Tube chassie type cars should be in S/G S/R. Again just my opinion.

I've already got my New motor ready to go in the car, got a new throttle stop, new Mega 450. So now I just gotta learn how to make it all work.

Looks like MIR has 2 events, Richmond should have 1 double header, and hopfully VMP will stay IHRA and have 2 events too.

I'm sure there will be a few other events for my 2011 learning curve.

So 1 last question, should I get out now while I'm ahead? :) LOL

Merry Christmas & Happy New Years to All :)
Cal
HR 177X

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We've been doing it for a long time.....and still enjoy it....just keep working your stuff till its good and I'm sure you will like it a lot....

The racers don't mind the stops.....everybody else does....lol

Rock Haas

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I would prefer s/st to be backhalf but I dont make the rules, just follow them. The one thing they really need to do is get us back in our race cars, less cars at these events and even fewer passes.

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Yes thats kinda a problem I can see need more then 2 time runs to practice.
They don't like you praticing at the test & tunes here.
I'll figure it out with a little help from Dale K & Robbie W
It should be a great year of racing

Cal
HR 177X

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I dont see anything that needs changing personally. Just my opinion. This is index racing and there are a lot of ways to get to those numbers. Personally I like seeing all the different approaches people use to run thier number. From weight and shift RPM barely running the index at low MPH to the huge MPH crowd.

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I am new here to this forum, but i have been a div.1 racer for 15 years, i have always liked the heads up class racing, as well as stock and super stock. i have always thought these were the guys who keep the sport alive. i want to do some super street racing this year, so i have been watching the updates,and what is being said here. Over the years, i have seen alot of changes in racing, but the bottom line is, its not how good your equipment is, its how you use it, it all about the lite, and run the number, no matter how you do it, you have to be better than the guy in the other lane to win. to many rule changes will only hurt racing. just my 2 cents.

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My dad made the previous post on this subject. But now I have a question for some of you. What difference does it make if its a tube car or a back half car? It has to be 2800lbs so I dont understand. We ran a stock suspension mustang (28x10.5w tire)that weighed 3200lbs in ORSCA 7.00. I had .025 in the box on a .400 tree and it was deadly. We worked our butts off to get it that way because it dang sure wasn't like that when we brought it out. If you have a back half, big tire, car that wont cut it in S/ST you dont need to be on here you need to be out in the shop working on it.

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Didn't they say the NHRA would publish the results of the Poll? I saw some stats on how many people responded, but not on what their responses were.

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Finaly someone who understands you have to earn the light ,it's not given to you!

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I guess it really dosen't make a differance if you set the car up for a pro tree and a pro tree only.
However most of the S/ST - HR cars are run in both Brackets and index classes.

Its also easier to put 900 + HP in a tube chassie car then in the arverage back halfed car.
Making it much easier to get the big MPH to chase down the slower cars. With Back Half type cars only, its not gonna stop the big MPH but it may slow them down from 165 MPH 10.90 cars to 150 MPH 10.90 cars.

I also think the S/ST - HR class has a large varity of differant types of cars in it, fords, chevy's, mopars. Having the class for only back halfed type cars may help preserive this.
10.90 is a pretty easy # for any desent Pro Street car to run these days.

And I've been in the shop working, got a lot to learn, but I'm learning :)

So I guess my Question to all the tube chassie cars running S/ST & HR at 150 Plus MPH,
Why are you not running S/G or S/R? :)

LOL Merry Christmas to all ;)

Cal
HR 177X

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If you have a back half, big tire, car that wont cut it in S/ST you dont need to be on here you need to be out in the shop working on it.(quote)
It's not the back of a car that cuts the light, it's the front and a chassis car has struts,.
with a chassis car you can move the weight to the back 40/60, back 1/2 car the weight is mostly on the front 60/40 (stock front susp.)
If they make the class back 1/2 ONLY it would bring more of the footbrakers from (pro or heavy) into Super STREET,also it would take the chassis cars and put them into S/G where they belong.

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I have never heard so many grown MEN whine in my life. My other ORSCA vehicle (6.00) was a Back Half s10 with a BBC it weighed 3240 with me in it. It was 62% on the nose. I carried 10 in the box on a .400 tree. Yall can say all you want about this and that but you cant BS me. If you think you need struts to get a bulb on a .500 tree you need to go sell all your stuff and take up shuffle board or Bingo. Second of all who says you have to go 150mph to win? Ill take .005 10.910@130 over .010 10.908@155 all day. They have those quarter windows for a reason, you know.

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I like your post bro.

I have many 10.90x time slips at 147+ it doesn't matter if you go 120 or if you go 160. If you don't know if you are going 10.86 or if your going 10.94 you won't be turning on a win light regardless of the mph u run. Any good driver can win going regardless of how much mph they run.

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Where's the WHINE ?

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This isn't whineing, try going to Club 400 slot car drag board, now there is some whineing going on over there. Hes got back door parts I can't get. He's got this he's got that. It goes on everywhere, in all forms of racing.

Actully I'm not whineing about anything, I simply made a comment on what I would like to see in the class. I will run what ever rules NHRA/IHRA tells me to.

I will work on my car to get it to react to the tree better. I have already started gaithering parts to make the car better for next season. I'm totally new to Pro Tree & Index racing, I got a lot to learn. I may never be #1 in S/ST or HR but 1 thing for sure I'll be there trying to get better.

And 1 thing for sure it is a lot easier to get a STRUT car to react to a pro tree then it is a A arm car. Never said it can't be done but facts are facts.

;) ;) :)
Cal
HR 177X

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You guys sound like Democrats......lol...

Let's outlaw cars that make it easier to cut a light on a 400 tree....What are you guys smoking...

its a 500 tree and 99 percent of the cars in super street don't spin....so whats the issue...I don't believe a tube car is more consistent than a back half car....

one more thing ...how fast do the division champions go....are they all 150 plus cars...get off the speed thing....and worry about racing....it is what it is......

Super street is a great class....I have many friends that run it....it takes the same expertise that super gas does......

Rock...

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Thanks Rock
Leave S/st alone! If you want more people to race in the class,try paying more than
$800.00 to win,that pay out has been the same since 1989.How about 1 crew pass
for free?
For a $150 or more to enter plus $40 or more for a crew pass,you get one run on Sat
and first round at 8am Sunday and 2 round when ever.
Not many racers are going to load a tube car down with the weight to run s/st.

Just my 0.02

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They don't spin ( thats a good one ) ,now they crash.
chassis car is WAY more consistant then a back 1/2, you of all people should know that.
And maybe a roadster doesn't have better visability then a doorcar. LOL

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"WAY" more consitent? I guess if you have a flexy flyer then maybe so but not a good backhalf car. I read that Northrops vega was a backhalf? If so he would win everything he ever entered if he has a tube chassis car! "end sarcasm"

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well said Rock

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suck up!

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Well they don't spin in div 3......lol.....in div 1 it's like a demolition derby.....but that had nothing to do with the chassis.....I do know better.....a good back half car is fine for super street.....I'm sure you're gonna hear that after these posts.....lol .......we are talking super street not super gas.....500 tree.....if it doesn't spin and it cuts a light.....what's wrong with it....

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What he said

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Something that Roger touched on, with the entry fee's for all of the super classes the same how come the pay-out's aren't the same ........Just asking ?

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a good back half car is fine for super street.....Agreed 100%( had a good one)
The topic is what changes would you like to see = back 1/2 only is my only change.
good luck in 2011

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Why does a strut car have an advantage over A-arms? I'm in S/G, and don't have struts. Now admittedly I'm lighter then S/St cars, and I'm a full chassis car, but without struts and with a ladderbar rearend I put 30 in the box on a 400 tree.

How would strut front suspension improve me?

(sincere question - not a debate. I have no idea how strut vs. coilover front ends differ in performance).

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SHHHHH dont tell them that. All the Monkey see Monkey do folks heads will explode. A 2 time SG world champ thats a good friend always told me.. "It aint about having what everybody else has, its about making what you have work". Its about 28 degrees outside and I have been out in my trailer trying to make my "junk" better.

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well here goes
my name is Dan Moore i have raced SST for 15 yrs. now and then S GAS. in div. 2
i have raced only chassised cars all those years, a-arm- ladder bar , and strut- 4 link
in all those years i have raced by the book, its not hard (only if you cant read) the car i have now is a 91 camaro (CONVERTIBLE ROADSTER) built by the NHRA RULE BOOK
yes i get looks, but i tell them its in the book

so you can bitch all you what about timers, t-stops your not going to change one thing, who is giving NHRA money?????? whos big adds are in the N.D. do you think NHRA is going to give up any thing that makes them $$$$$$$$$ as JOHN FORCE said, bottom line,,,,, NHRA is not going to piss off anyone that gives money to them (except us racers) but it was a good poll

Dan Moore 238D SST & SUPER GAS

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there's no reason any of that stuff won't work.....if you get it working good...whats wrong with it....that's why there's a lot of participation in the super classes.....some guys have 100k cars that get put on the trailer by 20k cars....(me included more than I would like)...lol

I would like to pay insurance one time per event not per entry.....that's what I would like to change.....(the way I drive sometimes...guys with one car make more runs than I do in both cars...lol) 190 for insurance for a weekend is pretty stiff....

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I raced my only national event a few years ago and even though I was of the realization that my $250 entry fee, $200/gas, $150 in food, $500 in crew/family tickets was NOT going to be refunded unless I won and hit the daily number on the way home that night.

In Super Street, $210 X 80 ($40 taken out for insurance) is a total of $16,800 of which $2500 was paid out in the money rounds. I did make my entry fee back, but realized that our money was not being spent on OUR class and was going to fund the rest of the race purses.
I never started racing to make money nor did I ever expect to see any. I always raced for the competition, trophy or Wally and anything else just went to my wife, I didn't want to see the money, but it sure won me brownie points to go racing again ;-)

Look, anyone thats into racing to make money, that strictly runs NHRA events and your not an ace like Fletch, Biondo or either of the Langs (no disrespect to anyone I missed), should just put it in the garage now. If you run big dollar races, then your odds of not only making your money back, plus a little extra are greater, but the winnings go a lot further.
I know a few guys that do nothing but run big money races and good for them! They are in it for the money...no problem. I am not, nor are a lot of the other racers I know who outspend their income, go broke, eat PBJ and hot dogs just to make a divisional race let alone a national event.

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Two changes I would like to see, even though a close friend of mine disagrees is, 1. The top bulb can be out and you wont go red. That is the way the pros run there pro tree and I believe that is the way a pro tree should be run. If you go deep and the top bulb is out, you don't go red unless you leave too soon. I know they can do the tree this way cause that is what the pros are doing. Throw out the courtesy staging, it eliminates some of the better excitement on the starting line. Why do I want to run the champ and hurries his stage and makes me go in last and he has 30 in his box and can move it to 10. And 2. Is that you do not get to pick your lane for first round, it would be determined when you pull up to the front of staging. I know the national event and some divisions like to pull them straight out. But to me the big hitters are avoiding racing among themselves first round and most of them pick the right lane anyway. Why do I want to run the champ and hurries his stage and makes me go in last and he has 30 in his box and can move it to 10 and I have to be extra careful to keep the top bulb on. Get rid of the courtesy stage and having your lane choice for first round. It really not going to matter to me, but I think it is stupid if you let the top bulb go out and your are out!

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Sorry Mav.......to be taken halfway seriously...you have to post your name.....


the changes you mentioned are very unlikely anyway....they are more likely to outlaw red cars....

Rock Haas

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Is deep staging a problem? Really? Don't most people worry about just barely getting in, consistently, and not panicking over whether they'll turn off the top bulb? I've watched hundreds of rounds of pro races and can count on one hand the number of times in a year someone deep stages their opponent.

And courtesy staging is really no big deal. Could take it or leave it. If your opponent double-bulbs you, you still have 7 seconds to get in...

Not sure what all the fuss is about, Mav.

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You can't let the top bulb go out in super class racing, or you go red. I know they are not going to change the rules, but the basic question if, What changes in the super classes would you like to see? And to me it dont make sense that you can't let the prestage lite go out and still have the stage lite on and have a race. To me it is making it tougher for for the guy who can,t cut the .010 lite all the time and has .000 in the box. To me, it is opening up the starting line a little bit more for how I want to race. Instead of you have to keep both bulbs lit to get a green, when really the prestage beam is really just to tell you are getting close to the stage beam. Too many restrictions for what you can't do, and not enough on what you allowed to do. If the pros can do it, and it is called a pro tree, then I should be able to do it too. I will race no matter what happens to the rules or entry fees, but it is stupid that I have to keep the prestage bulb on,
Steve Williams S/G 351N (seriously) Oh my car is Blue and I dont have a two speed or a one speed.

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Sorry about that Steve.......I didn't know it was you......

For those of you that don't know....Steve runs that cool Ford Probe with the lenco in it.....

Steve, if you put a glide in that thing, I don't think you would have to worry about rolling in....and it will probably go faster.......lol


Rock