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Mark,

As I stated, there were half pound breaks at least through the '76 year. Bob R. is probably right about '78 being the year. It was then that they consolidated 6 classes into 3 by going to one pound breaks, and that moved everyones class letter designation up some. I remember it happening as my Wagon was an "R" and then became and "N", but wasn't sure of the year.

Jerry

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I just troll here so don't flame me for this but......the subject title was SUPER stock wagon.

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I'm sure there's an explanation how Chevelle wagons got designated R.
I know I ran R @16 lbs in 73-74 with a full size Chevy.
If you take the heaviest 65 Chevelle wagon (3351) and bring the hp down to 210, it's still 15.9... So they must have been 15 lb cars in the late 70's .
That's only a move down of one letter (to R)
So there had to be only one class removed at first the way I see it.
I'm sure Travis could look it up for us when he gets home.

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Here's the story on how the wagons moved from Q to R Mark:

My brothers (Paul and Phil Berg) were competing in the class at the time and went to the Suffolk points race in (I believe) April of 1974. When they arrived, Buster told them that Davis and Skaggs ("Junkyard Dog" Chevelle wagon) blasted the record into the 12.20's at Indy the weekend before (remember the days before the internet). To make a long story short, Paul knocked the SS/Q record down to 12.16 that weekend! In a bizzare twist, some months later, NHRA eliminated "Q" with the silly explanation that it looked too much like an "O". Of course the record for R (the "new" class for the wagons) was set at a minimum at the same time...hmmmmm...Anybody that has NHRA records in that time frame will find that the Berg Bros. Precision Automotive '65 Chevelle wagon was the last record holder in SS/Q.

Mark Berg
I/S 2665

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You are correct sir!
Bob Rice

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Mark Y,

My '65 300 Deluxe Wagon at the original 283/220 classification weighed 3318 lbs., which was la natural 15.00 lb. weight break car. As Mark B. explained, they did away with Q, and it became an R car and that's how it's listed in the 1976 rulebook "Classes R ---- 15.00 to 15.99". At it's natural HP and weight, it was always in the 15.00 weight break class until they started factoring engines. Even at 235 HP the 300 Deluxe is still 14.11 at natural weight and can still run N at 3695 lbs., which we did for years. Now at 227 HP it would only have to weigh 3575, only 105 lbs over it's original weight.

Why "Q" and "O" were confusing in SS but not in Stock is beyond me, but thanks for reminding me Mark.

Jerry

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That's right. Now I remember . Don't forget, there weren't dial -ins to look for. They'd just look for the class and then the correct record or later, index.
Somebody must have blew it one time at a Nat'l , so that was the solution.

It had to be early 75 at least before they changed that.

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Good ole charlie brown and the most violent

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That's why I just look and say nothing about W A Lee's wagon.

Phil aka Chevellewagon :D

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Excellant pictures, can't wait to see more...

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When they moved SS/Q to R what happened to cars like Jimmy Parker's 66 Chevy 4 door running R with the 283 220hp? Maybe we could wake up Parker to fill us in....Sorry, know this is about station wagons, but would like to know....

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Gents,
When Stock was consolidated with Superstock in '72 the 16 lb class was SS/R and then, as Jerry stated, in about '75 or '76 Q was dropped and the 15lb class became SS/R. I have a picture of one of my 16lb Impalas at Warner Robbins in about '76 with SS/T on the window. In '71 I ran a Belair two door in the 15lb class which was O/S at the time, it figured 15.60 which was way heavy for the class but it ran pretty good. I actually set the O/S record at Gainesville that year and tore down but later found out that Bruce Wilkerson set it the same day in Bowling Green with a '56 Wagon @ 225hp and he was quicker by about four hundreths or so.

Jimmy

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:)Possibly not the best, but was sure a tough wagon in its day...once held 8 records..They say it was a joy to see this wagon and Boyles go head to head.

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x-2
22 nationals, 55 divisional wins.
They are all Cool, but Mike's the Boss !!!

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Frank Chastain, you remember Bill Blount had a S/S 65 Chevelle wagon @ Vidailia. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Larry Pacey's 63 Pontiac wagon from Miami.

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What color was the Blount and Chastain SS/Q 65 Chevelle wagon ? Thanks

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Charlie Brown, hands down.

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X2! Jim


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Good ole Charlie Brown gets my vote.

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Freddie it started out tan then we painted it black. The first time we ran the car at Vidalia, GA Harvey Fountain's crew had to sweep the rust and dirt that fell from under the car. Just kidding about sweeping the track, but it was a lot of both. frankchastain

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Frank,
Tweed Vorhees bought Mr. Parker's four door '66 and I think he still has the car stored in his garage.
Bob R

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Help, I have tried several years to get in touch with the Charlie Brown to come to the East Coast Drag Times Hall of Fame. If there ever was a "historic" Drag Race Car, Charlie Brown would be on the list. If you are a drag racer, spectator or a drag race fan you remember the Charlie Brown.

Mike if you go on this site, would you please either contact me or Nancy Wilson, "Miss Zip" and consider bringing the Charlie Brown to the Drag Race Reunion in Henderson, NC in October. If you have never attended this event I know you will have a good time and people would love seeing that car in the show.

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Queball

Would this be the same Bill Blount that lived in Cocoa Fla in 1967. He had a 1965 Chevelle when he lived here. If he is still around tell him Kenney Kelley say's Hey.

Kenney Kelley

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Kenny you have a pm...frank

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Thank You Frank



Kenney Kelley

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Indy Super Stock class in the staging lanes 1972. Lots of wagons. That's Bob Ayres' "Grog" in the center of the picture. The Cieri brothers black car right behind. I don't remember the others.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps60127fba.jpg

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Any of you guys remember the black Chevelle wagon that ran in the mid to late 70's at My Whitehouse and I-20 tracks as well as Hallsville Tx. Father & son team Cory Wade. What happened to him. Did he grow up and out of racing? Always right there/Tough...
He and Howard Stanfield had some good races while Greg played in the pit area....

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There was plenty of great wagons back in the day .The one that could run under the NHRA record more than anybody at the time was Val Hedworth . SS/V 55 Chevy Wagon .

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The Chevelles are 220hp cars...the '56 wagon is 225hp...and I'm guessing the
'59 is a 230hp car? How's that for parity?

Don't know about the '59...but the '56 appears to be Randy Smith from VA...I spoke to
him at the previous year's Summernationals...his car was orange I think...and he was
running as an O/Stocker...the last year of the "old" Stock Eliminator.

He and Alex Jarrell battled for the O/S record most of '71...with the '56 wagons running
the Corvette 2x4 motor....

With the Stock cars running Super Stock in '72....most cars dropped 2 classes...hence
the O/S cars of '71 became SS/Q cars in '72, etc...

Remember a local B/S '69 Camaro becoming SS/D as well.....