Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Hey PC, doesn't Jimi on here own the 'Behemoth' 62 Dodge wagon, maybe he can offer up some additional info on the car...also here's Hank's Speed Shop 62 Plymouth called 'Heartbreaker'.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8978/behemoth01.jpg
http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=2261
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1...sspeedshop.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Moose,

The 'Behemoth' now has a 'Max-Wedge' engine in it,,,,,,,,,,
It has lost its 'stocker roots',,,,,,,,,,

The 'Fabulous' 62' Dodge Model #440 Wagon,,,,,
'Pratte, Burkitt & Frank' from Cincinnati, Ohio,,,

Gone, are the '1969' days when it ran 12.80's in G/SA....:(

1969 Winternationals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, G/SA Class Winner,,,,13.24 @ 80.28 MPH (Coasted at the end)
1969 Springnationals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, G/SA Class Winner,,,,13.26 @ 105.14 MPH (Slowed down at the end)
1969 Indy Nationals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, G/SA Class Winner,,,,,
1969 World Finals @ Dallas,,,,,,,,,,,Stock Eliminator World Champion,,,,12.65 (Re-set G/SA Record @ Dallas 10/69)

1970 Winternationals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, H/SA Class Winner,,,, 12.65 @ 109.88 MPH
1970 Gatornationals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, H/SA Class Winner
1970 Springnationals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, H/SA Class Winner,,,,
1970 Springnationals @ Dallas,,,,, Stock Eliminator 'Runner-Up' (H/SA)
1970 World Finals @ Dallas,,,,,,,,,,,Stock Eliminator 'Runner-Up' (H/SA)

NOW
http://www.oldride.com/imgitem/69100...00_tmp_org.jpg

THEN
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/jal_att...b?d=1247064623

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The B body with it's unibody, easily the most durable and race ready car every made along with the most perfect front end geometry.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The 1962,,,,,,,,116" wheelbase,,,,,,,,es muy perfecto'

Long nose/short deck,,,,,,,,,,,Dart, Polara, Belvedere and Sport Fury

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Rick Johnson (1966 photo)

1962 Dodge Polara 500,,, 383/343 HP
C/SA

Set the C/SA,,, MPH National Record @ 110.97 (8/66)

As of February 1968, this car still held the MPH Record for the class, which was now D/SA (9.50 - 9.99 Wt/Hp).

Car purchased by Joe Kenney (Hopewell Junction, New York) in 1967.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...7&d=1265928101

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Well it's not one of the 62 383/343 hp units but Bill Tanner raced this 62 413 Dodge called 'Ramcharger' and Phil Carrol's 62 Dodge called 'White Lightning'.

http://www.georgiadragracing.com/images/GDR-00050.jpg
http://www.georgiadragracing.com/images/GDR-00102.jpg
http://www.georgiadragracing.com/images/GDR-00100.jpg
http://www.georgiadragracing.com/images/GDR-00101.jpg
http://www.georgiadragracing.com/images/GDR-00329.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Stock Eliminator Champion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,1970 Gatornationals
1962 Plymouth 'Sport Fury'
Tom Callahan, Driver
383/343 HP,,,,,,,,,F/SA


http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=6368

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The Magic,,,,,,,,,,,

In-line, Dual Carbed, cast iron intake

Twin Carter 500 CFM AFB's (1 7/16" x 1 9/16")
#2790 and #2791





http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...4&d=1285940649

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Paul
They started using the 1962 Chysler 300 H 3258 and 3259 AFB carbs right away. Having all 3 sets of legal carbs in my possession. I can see why they made the change.

As my car is all but finished. I will post a pick of a "modern" 383 343hp engine compartment.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Hi Paul, what differences are there in the other carbs. I have a set of the 3258 and 3259 carbs as well as a set of a 58 350 carbs. I've never used the 58 carbs but they appear to be very similar.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Paul,,,,

The 'first' carbs used on the 383/343,
Front carb #2790, and back carb w/choke #2791

1 7/16" Primary / 1 9/16" Secondary
1.063" Primary Venturi / 1.125" Secondary Venturi

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/fo...chmentid=45258

And,,,,,,, Mr. #3258 and #3259,,,,,,,,

1 7/16" Primary / 1 9/16" Secondary
1.063" Primary Venturi / 1.250 Secondary Venturi

http://www.chrysler300club.com/rcmst...bs/hcarbs2.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Sure would be nice if NHRA allowed edelbrock or Mopar Performance to recast these in aluminum.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I have both the low and high block mani's. Yeah they're a bit on the heavy side but they actually work quite well considering their age. My low block one is dated Nov 57, it came off a 58 350 Fury like the one in the movie Christine.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Let's see, I see old school 'white painted' fenderwell headers as well as the short velocity stacks on the carb...just curious but I wonder if any of these old racers got away with any 'hidden tricks' that they used on these 383/343 hp engine combo's...as for the intake manifolds, did they ever cast any in 'magnesium' paint'em and try to get away with it back then, lol.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I found this old post in another thread on here...

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Moose,

You're always digging,,,,,,,,,,;)

1970,
The 62' 383/343 HP Plymouth Belvedere Station Wagons were lighter than the 62' Dodge Model #440's.

The Plymouth Wagons ran in G/SA in 1970 and 1971, with the 340 Mopars.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

It's a nice thought, but we need to stop dissolving what little is left of stock eliminator. People keep asking for changes and NHRA will gladly get a rid of us just as they did junior stock and modified. They would love to get a rid of us. We are a hassle for nhra and they would love another bracket class.

You guys talk about expense on vehicles. Trust me I just finished a 62 383 343 belvedere and 50,000 won't come close to cutting it to build one of these cars right. It is not much cheaper than building a drag pak challenger

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I know this is a touchy subject with some of you but these parts are 50 years old now and if it's this hard & expensive today to find the correct parts, imagine what it will be like in another 10 or 20 years from now... I know because I was in the parts business for almost 30 years and it's getting tougher and tougher to find the correct stuff or old iron... It looks like "time" is the enemy here, so maybe if NHRA could bend the rules a little or allow 'spec parts' and work with the racers to make it more affordable, I think it would make it more fun for everyone involved... Anyone else here running a 383/343 or another stocker combo that feels squeezed out and has had to run in another class, because I've heard of a lot of people that just dropped the 383/343 combo and moved up to a 426 Max Wedge or 440 Six-Pack motors...so it would be nice to fix the problem now instead of eliminating it all together later.

.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Pic of the first 383-343 motor... Jim Johnson then Rick Johnson.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

E.B.

The #3258 Carter AFB has a bigger Secondary Venturi than the #2790 Carter AFB.

1.250" versus 1.125"

I'll check on the jet sizes and other specifications.

Both were rated at 500 CFM,,,

By the way,
Joe Kenney (August 9, 1964) was classed in B/SA with a 61' Plymouth
413........
Won B/SA Class @ Dover Drag Strip with a 13.91.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

3258 and 3259 AFB's were the same carbs that was used on the 413 380/385 hp. We've thought they were rated at 525cfm.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Anyway here's a few more shots of some '62 Plymouth's & Dodge's...

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...9-DSCN2940.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...423089-IMG.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...0-IMG_0001.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...-TomTaylor.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...6-IMG_0048.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

On my flow bench my 3258 and 59 were 445 and 450 CFM. 6x3447s I tested were between 597 and 600. 4x3705s were between 696 and 700. An old 3310-1 780 Holley was 788 and a 4780 800 DP was 780. 340-383 AVSs were 625-630ish. 63 383 AFB was 566CFM.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I found an old Carter 'Zip-Kit' booklet,,,,,,,,,,

The #2790 and #2791 AFB's though rated at a general 500 CFM,
were listed at 490 to 505 CFM's.

The #3258 and #3259 AFB's though rated at a general 500 CFM,
were listed at 510 to 525 CFM's.

Besides the size of the Secondary Venturi, all components appear to be the same,
Jet size
Metering rods
Springs
Accelerator pump

Both use the same 'performance rebuild kit'.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...7-Hoppen62.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...51-LACR071.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...2-IMG_0008.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...-62dartfbn.JPG

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...96-62SFury.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I love this last photo of Callahans car.
The first muffler scam ! .....Just think of how many of those Thrush glasspaks were hanging on the back of Stockers like a car club plate.

Hemi Moose, That nice red '62 Plymouth looks like Mike Wiley's. ...It actually was a 4 door car that Mike turned into a 2 door post body.
Mopar Max did a nice feature on it a few years back.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

1968,,,,,

Heavy competition for the 383/343 HP in D/SA (9.50 - 9.99 Wt/Hp)

The 62' Plymouth 'Sport Fury', Dodge Polara 500 and Dodge Dart Model #440 got to tangle with new competition;

67' Ford Galaxie 500 LTD with the 427/410 HP
68' Oldsmobile 4-4-2 with the 400/360 HP
68' Pontiac GTO with the 400/360 HP 'Ram Air I'
68' Camaro SS396 with the 396/325 HP
68' Nova SS396 with the 396/350 HP

1968 Winternationals D/SA Class Champion
Pete Kost,,,, 68' Olds 4-4-2 (400/360 HP),,,,,,,,,running 12.70's.

Pete Kost and his 68' Olds 4-4-2 didn't have to contend with Dave Kempton,,,,

Because, Dave went with a 62' Plymouth Belvedere 383/343, which was lighter than his 62' Sport Fury, and
was classed in C/SA.

Yes, Dave won C/SA with the 62' Belvedere, as he knocked off the 'hot and factory-backed' 68' Ford 428 Cobra-Jet Mustangs
that were running in C/SA.
A 'big upset' is putting it mildy.

A 383/343 HP combination got the D/SA Class back at the 68' Springnationals though

1968 Springnationals D/SA Class Champion
Tom Wilson,,, 62' Dodge Dart Model #440 (383/343 HP),,,,,,,,running 12.70's.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The nicest one is Jerry Bennett's and George Widuch's."

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Anybody (old enough) to remember this option,,,,,,,

The 'Sportsweep',,,,,,,,



http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1962-Dodge-Da...Z1gmg~~0_3.JPG

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Came across this old news clipping...the same guy as Chi-Town-Hustler fame.
http://www.fabulousracers.com/images...ppings/5lg.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

1962 Dodge Polara 500,,,,

Interior with the 120 MPH Speedometer, pod-style gages, padded dashboard, full up-scale carpeting,
cloth and vinyl bucket seats (front and back), deluxe door trim-panels, padded arm-rests, and center chrome console,
and yes,,,,,,,,,,

'The Grasshopper Head' style deluxe steering wheel

http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/d...ge-00086-4.jpg




Now the 1962 Dodge Dart (Base Dart)
'Dart' emblem on the front door panel, and short exterior chrome trim molding (front fender and door)
http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com...t+backview.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Moose,,,,,,

You're penalized one #2790 Carter AFB carburetor,,,,,,:p

1964 C/SA was for the 1962 361/305 HP Mopar engine combination....

pc,,,;)

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

[QUOTE=Paul Ceasrine;304211]Moose,,,,,,

You're penalized one #2790 Carter AFB carburetor,,,,,,:p

1964 C/SA was for the 1962 361/305 HP Mopar engine combination....

pc

Paul the 305 361 gets a 3253 AFB. its a little better than a 2790.
Paul Wong

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Well then here's another 361 carburetor, now just combine the two and you've got your 2x4 set up...oh and did I mention before what I thought of the '62 Darts. :p
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5588/tomrussell.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Just thinking,,,,,,,,,

How many Carter carburetors we threw out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:(

361/305 HP,,,,,,,,,,small primary and secondary throttle bore sizes,
* 1 7/16"

But like the venturi sizes,,,,,,,,,,,1.186" (1 3/16")

What is the exact CFM rating,,,,,,,,
The chart lists the 1 7/16" x 1 7/16" Carter AFB at 400 CFM,,,,,,,,,,but,,

pc

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

These things are so ugly that their almost beautiful...so you just got to love'em somehow.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The Minnesota Highway Patrol sold used 62 Dodges cheapies all with 361-305 motors both 2 and 4 doors for $995. They sold hundreds and C/SA was overrun [20-25] at Minnesota Dragways. Many sold their's years later for a profit. ET's were low 15's to an occasional 14.50.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Speaking of UGLY,,,,,,

http://cdn01.cdn.thesuperficial.com/...02-400x470.jpg


She's really not that Bad Looking,,,,,,,,,,,,,the car that is,,
http://www.ahwooga.com/uploaded/2011...e562dartbg.jpg