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Ed, if theres any chevelle stock eliminator car out there thats been 1.28 and can post a time slip, I will be the first to apologize. Carson Pedigo as far as I know C/SA record holder (3780 pounds) 1.33 60 foot, the difference between a 1.33 and a 1.28 is a long way, a BSA Chevelle does not weigh 3880 pounds. I cant understand why you just refuse to post the time slip, you said you had it. And I do understand details. Four link SS/GT cars with 522s will 60 1.17 off the foot brake.

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WOW, what were we discussing? It is just this kinda crap that keeps me off YB!

The Ken Kier wheelie bar set up not only works well, it it one of the easiest kits to install because you don't have any welding to do to the diff housing. i have heard that their limit seems to be with A stick cars that launch rather violently, but Ken has a fix for that too! He was great to discuss his product with even though i told i was purchasing a used peice. i would recommend his product to anyone that asks.

... oh ya, 1.34, 6.51- 102, 10.44 -124 - just in case you don't believe me, i will not scan my time slip - blow me! Ha!

if you have anything more to say about the bogus (or not) red chevelle start a new post, in a differnt area, your wasting good space discussing crap.

Ian

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This thread needs to die

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(Further, back in 2007, it ran quicker and faster than EVERY 454, 496, 502, GM's 720HP 572 and most 540's in a similar Chevelle here in Division 1 brackets,) well Ed back in the 90s my pump gas 68 driver chevelle which was driven to the track, sometimes 275 mile at a time, ran high 9s on 30x9s turning the fan and alternater, and believe me I never saw any of that negative DA or any of that 30.4 barometer, it was a non leaver though with a 1.35 60 foot, but did go sub 4s in the 330.

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Thats what good leavin 10.4 camaro runs, 1.34. By the way Ed Wright, notice the ET to MPH, (10.44@ 124) thanks for making my point.

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Yep!!!

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Ian, you have a beautiful car and that looks like the perfect wheelie to me.

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I'd really like to see the bashing stop. If you can't keep this thread productive and about Ken Keir's wheelie bar setup then I'll ask the mods to lock it down and delete it.

This type of behavior only discourages sharing of information.

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Ian,

Thank you for your last post, I greatly appreciate your confidence in our Wheele Bar. If there is any more iformation any one would like, please feel free to give me a call. 301-855-4988

Thanks,
Ken Keir
Ken Keir Race Cars
A/SA 1471

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Last thing I have to say, dumb ***, my car has run several 131 mph passes, some slower than 10.07. That 's with 1.29 to 1.31 is where I usually am.

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These guys are battling an old battle fought on many message boards that just won't go away. Ken should delete these threads when they start. The offenders will go away.

For what it was that red chevelle was pretty cool. It did put on a good show and lit some lamps. The car was no stocker. It was stock chassis but the engine was a bracket piece. My foot brake chevelle was built with old style stocker ideas for no where near the money and is deadly consistent, no maintenance, and lit a few lamps for sure. Does it belong in a discussion on this message board? NO.

Ed comes to these discussions offering his experience. Much of what he has to offer came at great expense. Was witness to many of his trials. He and I had a short discussion in the lanes at the bracket finals a few years back and we agreed that "There's more than one way to skin a cat." Ed is also a self promoter which is what much of the controversy is all about.

Ed will get more respect when he puts a serious Super Stock combination in the Bird and comes to play with the big boys on the regional and national scene. It is a different ball game.

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Frank, thanks for your comments though I disagree about the self promoter being that I don't make my living in the industry and I'm not selling anything.

As to the "more respect" comment I could care less what somebody sitting behind a monitor that doesn't know me nor has seen my cars run thinks. I have NO intention of ever fielding a super stock combo, makes no financial sense.

With the cost to field a new super stocker at 150 large, the travel, time off from work and the pennies for payout, you won't see me anytime soon.

Besides, stock and super stock is still bracket racing and the best at the game are current/former bracket racers!

I'll continue to bracket race, running for $1k every week as well competing in numerous big $ footbrake races throughout the season that pay $5k, $10K and $20K to win!

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How to win friends and influence people, was the title of a book.......

Now you've gone and done it Ed......!:D


"With the cost to field a new super stocker at 150 large, the travel, time off from work and the pennies for payout, you won't see me anytime soon."

"Besides, stock and super stock is still bracket racing and the best at the game are current/former bracket racers!"

Making statements like this could get you burned at the stake......LOL


P.S. I built the engines that were in the red Chevelle...

P.S. 2 The B/SA Firebird I drove last year a little 60footed @ 1.29 and ran 10.53 at 124+ last October.......and no it does not weigh 3800lbs.....

P.S. 3 I think it will be faster this coming year......a couple tenths hopefully....should make it a pretty competetive ride for whoever is behind the wheel......

Me and Ed are good friends......and he likes to stir the pot......;)

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Rich, if I'm guilty of anything it's speaking the truth and not being politically correct and some that post on these forums can't handle either.;)

That said, you did NOT 60 foot 1.29 with Larry's stocker because some guy hiding behind a screen name says it can't happen.:D

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All are good points. The bottom line is the investment versus the return (maybe). I like Ed's view. !

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Then back up on the porch. :p

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Frank, what part of keeping this thread productive about Ken's wheelie bar didn't you understand?

I took the high road in replying to your earlier post, thinking perhaps you just got caught up in the moment of reading this thread, feeling compelled to add your 2 cents, a lapse in good judgement but now it's obvious that's not the case so my response now not so high.

No one asked for your opinion of my former Chevelle nor me and who are you to say who's advice and who's car is relevant to a discussion as well what threads should be deleted?

Your comments suggest that you think you're now above bracket racing, that what you do now special and what you drive special. News flash Frank it ain't and you ain't, you're still a bracket racer and your stocker that runs what .5 tenths under is barely competitive no mind it's performance impressive least of which does it need a wheelie bar.

You see Frank class racing requires great effort as well "great expense" now more so than ever. You have to spend money, lots of money to be competitive especially in division 1 and it's clear you ain't!:p

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Ed.................. Your always comparing your cars to Stockers????? Ed.... roller cams, aftermarket intakes, DP Holleys, stroker cranks, aftermarket heads and any piston you choose do not make a Stocker. Why do you try to compare????

Frank Does have a Stocker..... runs .4 under...... that's further under than anything you have ever built...........

You have always sounded like a wannabe Class racer............

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hey steve, without any great effort I could build a .8 tenths under stocker, all it takes is $ but for what, to be sent to park out in a muddy field a 1/2 mile away, to fail fuel check after buying my fuel earlier that day, to be bounce for some minor rules infraction, to sit and what for days to get 1 time shot, to run 1st thing in the morning on a damp track or late at night with dew so heavy you need windshield wipers, to be filler at a national event ready at a moments notice or they'll run without you, to race for peanuts, to chase down contingency sponsors for my $?

No thanks, I'll pass

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Ok Lets hear it??? Lets hear your build........ Does not cost you a cent to put it on a computer screen............

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it's the year 2012, .8 tenths under is EASY. I've got the knowledge, I got the coin and I've got numerous friends running that and quicker a few that I've helped along the way.;)

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Why are you in the S/SS section if you hate it so much?

Btw, we don't race to the 60 ft. clocks

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it's about the cars not the venue and I'm not knocking anyone doing it as I have many friends that do, just makes no sense to me and most of them agree with me.

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Ed
Why be so predictable. Every thread you enter turns into the same almost exact responses.
You're bigger faster stronger smarter have more money can do it better faster for bla bla bla boring!!!!
But getting you to respond negatively with personal attacks that are meaningless! Classic!

If you got the nickel call the man in PA send him a big check and see you in the lanes. As I stated it is a whole different game.

The red and silver Camaro was built from a street car by me. No chassis shop. Built the engine and trans with help from friends. Went out the first season and went 90 under won a race and finished in the top 10 in division 1.
That my friend is an accomplishment!!!

Flame on!!!

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we obviously ain't friends and all that matter is you think so Frank and you and many others would like to think it's a whole different game but it's not!

so what part of the truth and the facts don't you like.;)

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There are a few cars in D1 that work very well with Ken's bar. Give Ken a call.

BTW - Just because it says 1.28 on the time slip, doesn't mean your front tire is what tripped the 60' clock beam.

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Gentleman, Don't you both realize you are coming to the track for different reasons. Both of you know what you are doing but are involved for different reasons- for different personal goals and both enjoy what you do. It really is not worth fighting about considering what each gets out of it. Just my 2 cents.:confused:

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That does not answer the question.................. Lets hear it.

What would you build?? and what specs????

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Apparently we all have some problems with facts.
There's not much doubt as to your acomplishments as you have posted them all over the Internet. No doubt that some of what you did with your 69 is impressive. And I have in person complimented you.
What is disheartening is that in person you are nothing like the persona you project and have projected for years. I myself have defended you with some fairly prominent people in the racing industry. You are a condescending horses behind on the Internet.

Ed I used to feel as you that there is little difference between bracket racing and stock super stock racing. Have found with five years under my belt that it is assumption that is only partially true.

In qualifying with a fast car for its class you can position yourself on the ladder where you feel is best. It is an art and some play the ladder quite well.
The eliminator is mostly a braket race unless the ladder hands you a heads up. Most racers have a consistent combination they run during the eliminator then have a few changes that speed the car up in some cases considerably. But because everybody pays attention to everybody the really fast guys who are well seasoned only show enough to win. Therefore avoiding the AHFS. Go too fast and the horsepower gods can make your combination uncompetitive.
Then we come to combinations choosing and protecting.
These are well known facts in the S/SS world that we all live with.

As far as Mr. Keir wheelly bar. It is a fine piece of engineering. What many racers have found is leaving hard is faster a big wheel stand is fun and puts on a great show but not necessarily fast and can get ugly. With an adjustable wheelly bar it can be used to allow the car to leave hard moving forward not up. It can as you state be done with shocks and weight but there are reasons the fast guys are fast and those facts unfold with time and testing.
As far as my program one of the fastest who run my combination in the world gave me some sage advice. "You can only get so much out of testing and innovation". Taken as a compliment as I do have a tendency to think outside the box and flog it.
But more significant was "you have to open you wallet".
Now just building a competitive class car no matter how you approach it is a pile of money filling a hole in the pavement. It is another pile to obtain a good power plant and drivetrain.
So as you, I have no trouble with facts. Some guys don't care about loosing a few heads ups. Others think not having a fighting chance blocks the way to the final. Rest assured I feel the latter.
Hope these facts work for you!
Open your wallet. The man in PA will build you the fastest peice in the country just send him some checks and wait a year or so.

This is a nice distraction from making the money to dump in that hole.

See you in the lanes.

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my "persona" is in response to those like you that don't have the balls to voice their unsolicited opinion about my ride and me to my face. Much easier to do banging away on a keyboard sitting in front of a monitor. Attempt to do it to my face and you'll find my persona is far nicer than I'm going to be and please don't defend my words on the net to those you hold in high regard,:rolleyes: I didn't do the same when speaking with two stock racers last night both who said you're weird and your car is a turd.;) Further, several well known manufacturers and suppliers to the racing industry have told me they agree with many of my posts, that I say what they can't online..;)

I'm done, save your reply for when you see me in the lanes.

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don't f'n bother, go back to YB and post your waste-of-space answer - we don't care.

Ian

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Biggles
Thank You! For The Compliments! From You & Your Associates :D
Made my day! I am now a member of the Sick of Biggles' BS and Internet Persona Club!

At least we were spared:
"Career Rest and Tuner" :p
"Those That Think They Know" :p
And on and on for years on various message boards many of which you have been banned. :eek:
And reinstated because your good for hits on the website! :D
It's almost as though you have a word file to copy and paste from! ;)
Pure entertainment. :)
The PMs and emails have been coming from those that love you so!

Hey why don't you come visit me in "The Land of Milk and Honey"
Why wait till we meet in the lanes.
You're always welcome! You're a HOOT!:D

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What part of "save your reply for when you see me in the lanes." didn't you understand?

you're getting pms and emails from guys posing here that don't know me and other stock eliminator racers while I've been getting phone calls from some of your competitiors here in division 1, thanking me for the entertainment, telling me my comments are dead on about NHRA class racing as well you. Good news not all describe you as weird, some called you strange but thought turd described your car's performance well but I can't take credit for that as that is what 2 of your competitors called it.:p

Now anybody pming and emailing you about me, well I care as much about their thoughts as yours.

That said, I'll wait to you see me in the lanes, your a keyboard commando, want to see how much of a smartazz you are in person.

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40Coupe... The Ken Keir single wheel kit is an intelligently engineered component that works. Having confident control of the first 300' will assist your best end results. Quality components in regards to adjustable shocks and correct spring rates are also key to starting line success, the addition of a bar such as this will also aid in tuning for these results. "Good Luck"...Maurice.

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Short shift, you don't need no steenkin wheelie bars ;)