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Ghost Missle 07-04-2016 09:12 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hemiman4262003 (Post 508232)
ghost missle,so that car is no longer aval on racing junk,was thinking of buying it

I bought it a couple of weeks ago if we are talking about the same car. Butch Leal's 1975 B/MP Direct Connection Hemi Duster. Pictured as bought below.




http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psujk6guul.jpg

hemiman4262003 07-05-2016 03:16 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
I did see that car you just brought that was on ebay,thats a good car,there is a car on racingjunk,the owner says its a butch leal car

Ghost Missle 07-05-2016 04:41 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hemiman4262003 (Post 508404)
I did see that car you just brought that was on ebay,thats a good car,there is a car on racingjunk,the owner says its a butch leal car

Same car.

Steve Stasko 07-05-2016 08:23 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
You guys are each talking about different cars. The Leal Dart Sport S/S car that Gale Mortimer drove is on Racing Junk right now also in Virginia.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Nostalgia/...nia-Flash.html

Ghost Missle 07-06-2016 06:23 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
I was talking about the Duster I bought. It WAS on Racing Junk before I bought it but it doesn't matter now.

Rick Leininger Jr. 07-13-2016 03:43 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler (Post 506641)
Modified was and is the only true heads up class racing there was. Randy Wilson and I have been attempting to get people to support a Modified return with limits to technology so the overall costs could be better. Brodix spec heads for all three brands and internal oil pump and pan access to keep it to just pump and race. Hoped to get it listed as ONE class with four barrel. See the support and then if it catchs on always run it separate. It could be expanded to 2 or 3 wt breaks but start simple. Bring out the old Modified cars, SS cars etc and limit to regular manifold no sheet metal.
Hope since this is Mod site people would hear it more favorably.
Interested?
Dick Butler
This class is currently run at a track in Missouri with GREAT success. All three brands within .02 seconds et of fast cars.
How about the post showing 39 cars first round C/SM. Guess there was interest in the limited motor/tire format.

Dick, what track in Missouri is currently running the Modified class you mentioned? Any Mopars competing? Is there a website for rules/results info?

Thanks

mopar68 07-14-2016 12:54 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 508471)
You guys are each talking about different cars. The Leal Dart Sport S/S car that Gale Mortimer drove is on Racing Junk right now also in Virginia.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Nostalgia/...nia-Flash.html

http://115.imagebam.com/download/P4w...e_mortimer.jpg

mopar68 07-14-2016 12:57 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Missle (Post 508509)
I was talking about the Duster I bought. It WAS on Racing Junk before I bought it but it doesn't matter now.

http://115.imagebam.com/download/48v...975_duster.jpg

mopar68 07-14-2016 02:52 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
http://115.imagebam.com/download/0Gv..._duster-02.jpg

http://116.imagebam.com/download/908...duster-03.jpeg

mopar68 07-15-2016 01:20 PM

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http://115.imagebam.com/download/ZBu..._riffle-05.jpg

joespanova 07-16-2016 01:29 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Missle (Post 508384)
I bought it a couple of weeks ago if we are talking about the same car. Butch Leal's 1975 B/MP Direct Connection Hemi Duster. Pictured as bought below.




http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psujk6guul.jpg

Looking at the plexi windows and window trim and other "subtle" details make me wonder if this car is actually a "knock off" ..........and not the original.
The car in the vintage pics has factory door windows? and drip mldg ......decals have been replaced etc etc. Is that the original scoop , looks very similar but...nose seems high.....?
The Gummout" decal on the current car is smaller............:)

Ed Wright 07-16-2016 07:34 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Rice (Post 318871)
There were quite a few 5 speeds from the mid 70s on.
Bob Rice

Of course, you are correct Bob. We absolutely had 5 speeds in the '70s.

Steve Stasko 07-18-2016 07:26 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joespanova (Post 509268)
Looking at the plexi windows and window trim and other "subtle" details make me wonder if this car is actually a "knock off" ..........and not the original.
The car in the vintage pics has factory door windows? and drip mldg ......decals have been replaced etc etc. Is that the original scoop , looks very similar but...nose seems high.....?
The Gummout" decal on the current car is smaller............:)

It's the right car. It was run in Super Street for many years.

Ghost Missle 07-22-2016 08:52 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
This is the original car as verified by Butch Leal and by Gary Hansen who built the car at Ron Butler's. The car was being raced in Super Pro with a 440 that had fenderwell headers and a powerglide. The interior was full of starting line electronics and a single light weight seat. The access hole to the transmission area had been significantly enlarged and the original Butler roll cage, while still intact, had been added to with a front hoop, an under dash bar and lower side bars. Over the last 40 years the hood, deck lid and doors had been replaced with race-weight fiberglass components and a Lexan windshield was fitted. The car had been completely repainted at least once and the original wheels had been polished. A fuel cell had been installed and although the original Butler ladder bar rear suspension was intact, the leaf springs had been replaced with coil-overs while all of the original leaf spring mountings are still in place. Dual battery boxes on either side had replaced the original truck battery in the right rear. The entire front inner fenderwell and core support structure had been removed and replaced with lightweight panels. Naturally the image of the car “as-purchased” looks different than the 40 year old “as raced” pictures. Even the rear slicks which are 3” wider and 1” shorter than the originals and required spacers to be run behind the rear wheels for frame clearance give the car a decidedly incorrect look.

We are replacing the front half of the floor with a new AMD piece. The front panel structure, firewall, doors, hood, fenders and deck lid have been harvested from a completely rust free 1975 Duster bought in Texas. All non original roll bar pieces have been removed. The spare tire well is being replaced so a new stock fuel tank can be fitted. We have already removed the rear coil-over shocks and test fitted leaf springs; even the pads on the rear end were still there. The proper seats were purchased last week in Carlisle and will receive new Legendary covers along with new door panels. I have some old Super Tricks that we are going to use to experiment with for techniques to restore the original wheel finish. We have a Hemi, The correct Weiand I.R. intake, some 16-plug parts, headers, bellhousing and the car came with a fresh unused slick-shifted A833 4-speed. We still need to buy the proper sized (true 14 x 32) rear tires and the wheelie bars.

All of the contingency stickers still available were sent from the various manufacturers and the three or four that were no longer available will be recreated by our excellent graphics technician as will paint masks to make it possible to accurately replicate all of the original graphics and logos. Note that the paint scheme was even changed in the year and a half that Butch raced the car with the top half of the “California Flash” lettering on the doors being all white on the early version (as ours will be) while the later rendition had the top half of the letters painted red. Included with the car were the transferable rights to use Butch’s California Flash paint scheme and name. Every effort will be made to return this car to it’s original 1975 Image and specification. Original unpublished photographs taken during the creation of the Car Craft article were sourced from Peterson Archives. A lot of people can attest to our capabilities with this platform and on this board perhaps Daryl Klassen would be the best source to impart what to expect.

Now there will be a brief intermission in the build as the walls of our new 36 x 48 shop reach for the sky, the front half framed in the last two days. The car? We can’t wait to get back at it!


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...pswntwlsmw.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psbw68ebdd.jpg

Liteweight 07-22-2016 09:21 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
As you may have got from Johns post already, John and brother Denny are absolutely perfectionist in everything they do. If theres anyone that bring this car back to its roots correctly its these guys. They have a few very cool "insider" connections including Joe Pappas as an example just to keep an eye on things

Liteweight

joespanova 07-23-2016 07:31 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Sounds like it'll be "perfect" when you guys finish. Thanks for the clarification and info. Looks like that'll be a really nice shop when finished..............wish mine was that big.:rolleyes:

mopar68 07-24-2016 01:16 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Missle (Post 509684)
This is the original car as verified by Butch Leal and by Chuck Hansen who built the car at Ron Butler's.

Thanks for the history and details.

Pete

mopar68 07-24-2016 01:18 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
http://115.imagebam.com/download/M58...-mp_duster.jpg

mopar68 07-24-2016 01:24 PM

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http://116.imagebam.com/download/DIe...ed_sielski.jpg

http://116.imagebam.com/download/EYo...i_phillips.jpg

http://116.imagebam.com/download/8i8...tionals-02.jpg

http://115.imagebam.com/download/opD...speed_shop.jpg

joespanova 07-25-2016 07:04 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
WOW
Talk about a "blast from the past" Ed Sielski..........had a speed shop in Downingtown ( ? ) Coatesville area in the seventies. Right off of 30 , across from a 7-11 I worked at right out of high school.
I remember him ( or who ever ) taking , what I believe is this car , for a ride right down 30..............I watched as he drove out of the parking lot and to my surprise right down the highway :eek: for a little ride........don't know if the cops saw him.
I know it was a Vega , and this had to be that car.
I stand corrected...Thorndale...it was in between Coatesville and Downingtown.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dai...?pid=156927951


http://116.imagebam.com/download/DIe...ed_sielski.jpg

Ghost Missle 07-25-2016 08:26 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 508471)
You guys are each talking about different cars. The Leal Dart Sport S/S car that Gale Mortimer drove is on Racing Junk right now also in Virginia.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Nostalgia/...nia-Flash.html

Here is the Duster ad on Racing Junk (car was in Iowa):
http://www.racingjunk.com/Nostalgia/...mi-Duster.html

mopar68 07-31-2016 05:51 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
http://115.imagebam.com/download/Svp...half_breed.jpg

Ghost Missle 09-09-2016 04:40 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Leal Duster core support, front inner fenders, firewall and front half of floor are in and being finish welded (all TIG). Spare tire well will be replaced next before it comes off of the rotisserie. After a few more days of welding and grinding it goes straight to our body and paint guy.


Even though this car was all white when new, it will follow Chrysler's build dictate where by the entire shell gets painted black and then the exterior of the body only (not the engine compartment, door jambs, trunk, wheel wells etc.) will receive the final finish.





http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psfwkrdpvt.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psmzdodaj9.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psgp3ddijs.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psr5zqkp1c.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...psq2qby2em.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-09-2016 05:20 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
I have a few from the 70's.
72 Sringnts.
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...d503626980.jpg
1975 Sportsnts.
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...c503691303.jpg
1971 Indy.
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...f503691304.jpg
1972 our best helper & friend J.D. driving our D/G 41 , it was a show car ,but J.D. wanted to run it 2 x's, he even painted the car, steel body, 292 chevy , 4 speed.
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...9503691306.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-09-2016 05:29 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
AA/Gs class winner 1970 Indy
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...3503692470.jpg
D/A 1970 Indy.
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...0503692472.jpg
1975 Winternts Butch Leal
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...2503692469.jpg
1976 Winternts Butch Leal
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...5503692882.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-09-2016 05:34 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1964 Modif class records.
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...e503693183.jpg
1965 Indy C/a
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...7503693185.jpg
1966 AA/GS Class run
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...3503693181.jpg
1966 INDY I loved this truck.
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...9503693180.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-10-2016 08:29 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1978 Milan Bruce Allen
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...a503783493.jpg

1978 INdy Lee Sheperd E/MP
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...b503783494.jpg
1978 INDY Norm Flyer C/G
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...b503783500.jpg
1979 Modif Index
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...5503783506.jpg

impstocker 09-10-2016 08:43 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
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Pat Hennebery's 68 Camaro he use to run in H/MP back in 69/70 (Later as a C/SM) has been "restored" back to it's former 6 Cylinder glory. With basically the same combination he ran except now with a Jerico 4 speed, we will be taking to the NETO event tommorow at Island Dragway in NJ.

The face lift included the "Six Fiend" logo with new H/MP class letters.

We will be match racing Clem LaChances "Mad Frenchman" (Now owned by Kevin Bleakly since Clem's passing) 6 cylinder Maverick at the Sept 26 Dover Dragstrip reunion event at Lebanon Valley. More to come.

Will Lamprecht
65 Impala I/SA 396/325

TOM KASCH 09-12-2016 07:42 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1965 INDY S-W-C AA/GS
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...3504097848.jpg
1962 Toledo Glass City Dragway
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...5504097851.jpg
Milan Dragway G/G 67 Camaro
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...2504097853.jpg
1974 Sportsnts Doc Dixon
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...4504097856.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-13-2016 09:03 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1975 Indy wcs
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...b504265081.jpg

1972 Indy wcs
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...c504265085.jpg

Kil-Kare
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...b504265088.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-14-2016 08:35 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1973 Indy wcs.
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...1504418119.jpg

1978 Cinn.Div3 wcs
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...0504418121.jpg

1974 Milan Dragway
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...a504418122.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-15-2016 09:45 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1974 Milan Dragway
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...0504600237.jpg

1976 Springnts

http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...4504600240.jpg

1973 Milan div3 race
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...7504600242.jpg

1978 Gators
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...2504616664.jpg

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TOM KASCH 09-15-2016 09:47 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1974 Milan Dragway
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...0504600237.jpg

1976 Springnts

http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...4504600240.jpg

1973 Milan div3 race
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...7504600242.jpg

1978 Gators

[http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...2504600841.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-15-2016 06:15 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
1976 Indy
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...d504663033.jpg

1973 Milan div 3 wcs
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...7504663037.jpg
1972 Indy Don Scott running B/D
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...3504663039.jpg

1976 Sports

http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...f504663043.jpg

TOM KASCH 09-16-2016 08:33 AM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Milan 73 or 4
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...c504759852.jpg

1980 Sportsnts.
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...9504759854.jpg
1983 Milan IHRA NTS
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...6504759855.jpg

1973 Milan
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...1504759856.jpg

I have tore my "ham string' In a cast cann't drive or bend my leg for 6 weeks,
I'll have to stop till I can set right.

mopar68 09-17-2016 05:31 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Chip Baney

http://116.imagebam.com/download/a8A..._bear_II-b.jpg

mopar68 09-17-2016 05:33 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TOM KASCH (Post 514947)

I have tore my "ham string' In a cast cann't drive or bend my leg for 6 weeks,
I'll have to stop till I can set right.

Ouch! Sorry to hear that Tom.

Get well soon.

Pete

TOM KASCH 09-18-2016 12:49 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
hurt my leg on Saturday the 3nd, ever see a ballplayer tear his & get carred off the field. Walked on mine & went to 2 car shows before i went to the Dr's.
Here a picture at the V.A. hostipal.
http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/50...7505132305.jpg
Will not show , as it's BAD !

FINESPLINE 09-18-2016 03:57 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Tom, your a tough SOB but you better take car of that. The older you get the slower the heal. Get well but don't push it.

TOM KASCH 09-20-2016 02:22 PM

Re: Modified Eliminator Wars in the 70's
 
Me in 1960 after I got of the Navy in Jan. of 60.
http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50...e505609431.jpg


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