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Look at the finals of the Div. 7 National open Angelo Phillips and myself, the two slowest cars in the field, and we were in the finals !!!! GO SLOW CARS !!!!

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For those so inclined, you ought to take a look at the ad I just placed in the Race Car classified section here at C/R

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x 2 for, and congrats to both of you!!!

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18 cars left in Stock > Seven 9 sec. cars , nine 10 sec. cars , one 11.0 car, and one 11.80 car.. Oh well

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Okay,so I was half asleep last night..
Correction for Kevin Zaskowski : nine 10's, five 9's, two 11's
And so, does this make the point any different now?
BTW, good luck to Kevin Zaskowski, who's still in with only SIXTEEN cars, in case you didn't know it.

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congratulation to Paul Wong u/sa -1.550
for #1 qualifier at the U.S. National
Unfortunately the higher class were dominant in elimination, my original question was answered. Maybe I can talk Larry Hill to rent me his truck since he's not using it. Claude

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That's too bad, but speed cost money, and those obviously with the most money also had the bargaining power over how Stock Eliminator at Indy is run (with the recent year qualifying changes, that now could allow a whole class of similar cars to race just because they all are amongst the quickest 128....what happended to the so-called diversity of Stock Eliminator? Not becoming so at this race)!

This underscores the reason I'll likely not race Indy in the forseeable future (if ever), because I won't go there just to try to win class (especially with this flippin' joke of a runoff system for single class entries, since it cater's to the quickest vehicles against their index, instead of the former system, that worked great and was fair to all stocker racers regardless of class), no if I can't afford to make my car run at least .8 under the DF/S index, then it's a waste of my time, meager money, and wear and tear on my equipment to even try to participate in the event! Racing for class has become a joke (for single class racers who even run .7 under their indexes), so if I can't have a good shot of qualifying for the new quickest under the index system, then I'll go to races with smaller turnouts, where that isn't an issue (like one of the other national events offered during the season, where everyone who attends gets to race in the first round)!!! My .02

p.s. It's been a while since I've posted here, and there may be some who're greatful for my abscence, but to those of you who think that way...BOO HOOOOOOO, because I wasn't going to let this topic go without my heartfelt reply from a racer who's not swimming in money to race a car nearly 2x's as fast as the one I have (even if I did have that kind of money I probably wouldn't...unless I could buy/own/race a Hemi Dart, Savoy, Coronet, or Belvedere, but I'd still race my Z24, because I like the challenge, and the low maintenance costs....

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I would imagine your happy you didn't race when you had to win class to race in the eliminator? I think it was way more fun and I wasn't one of the fast guys. It was fun to run off the record, you were always working on your junk. I would say now a days with the check book racers it could be very expensive.

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It was a blast to take a week's vacation to buy fuel, hotel rooms, drive to Pomona for the Winter Nats, loose class, then get to go back home. Still liked running off records.

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Wish there was still such a thing as "Class" at Pomona.

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Gary, most people respect your views and opinion and the small independent racer is the back bone of NHRA, too bad they don't remember where they came from. Hemi Dart would be nice. Claude

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Actually Harry, I wanted to be able to race when I'd have to win class to race in the eliminator, because in most cases I'd only have to win one race since there (in most of their recent races), was only one other DF/S car I'd have to compete against, and although I may have been .2 slower than my possible opponent, I could've gotten the same luck as that SS/AH car who should've been spanked by a Cuda that was nearly .2 quicker last week? I agree with you "THAT WAY", "was way more fun", and I'd have rooted for you more because you weren't "one of the fast guys"!

Many say that change is good...well in this case I'll agree to disagree with that, because it keeps check book racers from being able to race the big go, and have the same chance at running in the show this weekend as those bigger budgeted racers....our sport should be doing more to attract more racers, not deter prospective racers away....

BTW, thanks Harry, Ed, & Jeff, for your thoughts too, because I wish I could've gotten into class racing and had a chance to run off the record to win class. Moreover, I wish I could've raced in stock when it was more stock like, than many of todays stockers are (which are more super stock like than even they were just 30yrs ago)....

Jeff, I'm glad you like the Darts too, because I sure was rooting for one of them to win SS/AH this year, and Jim Daniels nearly pulled it off. Every year I'll either root Pancake's car, or now Daniels' car, and he nearly did what "Larry the Cable Guy" would always say..."get 'er done"! Great effort though Jim!!!

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Watch out guys, that AMC Pacer has a chance to finish in the D6 Top Ten in Stock, with Jim Mantle behind the wheel (he's currently 9th, but some of his challengers might go to 'Vegas in November)? Furthermore, watch out for Stan "The Man" Kopejtka, because he's sitting 6th in D5, and has a better chance to hold off his followers this season...GO STAN!!!

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I have been on both extremes on this situation. I have raced an A/SA, L/SA, and P/SA cars for 10 years now.

For me, the faster car was easier to judge at the finish line. I could take .010 at the stripe, comfortably knowing where I was. In our L/SA and P/SA cars, it gets a little hairy cutting it that close when you are running a big MPH car.

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Michael, I couldn't agree with you more. That said, I wish I could be 1/3 as good at racing slower rollers as "Jody Lang", and "Billy Nees" (those two are aces at racing cars that run L/SA, or slower)! My problem is lack of money, and seat time...the former will be improved upon next summer when my truck is paid off (YEAH!!!), and the latter will be helped out greatly by that as well. Being a check-book racer doesn't help matters much, but it's getting easier as the months go by.....

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Well maybe Harry Doolittle win will help demystify the myth that you need a fast car to win, I know it was in Super Stock but he did it with a stocker. He did cause three of his opponents to red light.

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Hey a win is a win anyway you can get it Lol.

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Slow Cars rule. Especially a fast slow car....

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Harry Doolittle is my hero!

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x2 for Harry from me too Lane, but you're a hero also for how great you did in '96, with an even slower roller!!! :)

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Bringing 'em back alive today.....

Since this thread's pause, Gary Hampton has won a Div. 7 race and a local S/SS combo,...So I've got you covered here, Gary.
Now, moving on...Lots of talk about predicting the dial -in here, but not much discussion on the first big factor that's necessary....I don't mean luck ,either ;-)

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reading these posts reminds me of my alltime favorite pass. I was running the u/sa monte carlo at the gateway nats a few years back. When I got in car in staging lanes I forgot I had my cell phone in front pocket. As it was in the way of fastening my harness I just took it out and threw it in the pass seat.When I was going down.the . track I had just shifted into high gear when phone rang. I picked it up and said I'm racing now and threw it back in the seat. At the scales a tech guy came up and said someone had said I was talking on the phone going down the track.When I said yeah Idid it he said now I've heard it all,Don't do that again. AS i drove off he was still shaking his head

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I am no expert but recently purchased a slow car to run stock. It has won lots of rounds and beat some really good fast cars. Never won a race. I really don’t have expectations to set the world on fire but to be competitive and win some rounds. Let’s face it most have never won a points race or a national event regardless of the class they run

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Bill, you cut the caller off before he had a chance to tell you to "Lift, Lift".LOL

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http://classracer.com/classforum/att...7&d=1616331255

Put a small enough tire on anything and, no matter how old you are you will cut a light!

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1, Check

2, Operate on the hydraulic clutch linkage

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I won at the end of the season with my P/SA wagon. A few 8 and 9 second cars in the mix.

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Jody Lang is the Goat big-time with a slower car Check his winnings

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Check his r/t's ..A good place to start ;-)

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I am hoping to not run into you in Eliminator until I get my P/sa Camaro a little faster. Lol.

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Jody is dedicated to his craft. His excellence is partially due to sticking with his lower class cars instead of migrating to faster classes like many do. Surprising he doesn’t have more championships.

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Good tread and a lot of good information for a stock eliminator hopefully.

after years of running Comp and being a sideshow in Top Dragster, I'm wanting to get back to real racing. I am a lot better bottom bulb racer than I am a box racer. I started in Comp.

What is the thought on consistency in slower cars when a turbocharger is involved? I am putting together an AF/S Dodge Daytona. I will use a Holley ECM.

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I apologize because I didn't read all the responses, but...Didn't take long to see Jody Lang's name come up. I think most of us can agree he is the John Daly of stock elim. How many people watching a PGA on TV would think John Daly could ever win a major? Years of experience and handling pressure just like J.L. My swoopy 99 Camaro is one of the most consistent 1/4 mile cars I've ever owned. It just doesn't care about slight tail or head winds (it just needs a good driver) I see people asking about what stocker should I buy? My answer is always the same....The fastest one you can't afford!

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Didnt a slow Super Stocker win Seattle ?

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It’s my opinion that you could put Jody in a fast car and he would have the same results. It’s about reading the weather, track , opponents and data. He is very good at what he does.
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I was working in Pro Stock in the 90s and finally met a compuserve friend - Toby Lang - at seattle. I had been trying to push new frontiers in finding out the best way to race and win races.

After I talked to him, I walked away with my head spinning. That family was doing things I never once thought of - that made total sense - and it showed then and shows now. I admire that team as much as any I've ever dealt with - pro or sportsman.

That they were excellent drivers helped a lot also.

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You could put Jody on a skate board and he would still win, just be a little harder to dial.

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Jody has been kind enough to help my son
Jon several times. We have the upmost respect
for him as a racer and a person!

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I'd say no, not a good idea..Overpowered turbo car with a stick? Not gonna be consistent.
Another problem ..Not fast enough, but on the other hand, not "slow" enough.
Sounds confusing but I can explain further if you want.
I'd say, if you're a died in the wool Mopar guys, find a newer EFI stick car that runs DF/S or EF/S.That's your best shot at turning on some win lights against 8, 9 and 10 second cars.

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Drag racing is all about numbers. You have to have a better package than the car/ driver in the other lane. To accomplish that you have to be able to accurately predict what the dial in has to be. The car has to be consistent on the leave to get a good reaction time The driver has to be on their game to drive both ends of the racetrack better than the racer in the lane next to you. Knowing when to run all out of dump at the stripe. Faster/Quicker cars seem to have an advantage to a certain point on all of these points.. The level of competition in Stock and Super Stock racing right now is incredible. You better be teens on the bulb and with in .01 on the dial to think about going rounds against the hitters. That takes a really good car and concentration by the driver at both ends of the track. Any car can win with a great package.