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"huge" is a relative term lol. In Prostock more then .05 or 2 mph is a mountain so to speak. The guys racing this class competitively is no small feat in of itself. It's fun to watch when one team figures something out and the rest of the field scramble to figure out what they did. The veil of secrecy is so interesting. Team summit, Edwards and Johnson(among others) has had their moments where they were the team to beat.

I want to get to racing as fast as I can but I do not posses the funds for that kind of effort yet. So unless I can join a team my options are limited. But if the opportunity is there I will certainly work towards achieving my goal and make my own opportunities as well.

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And i love it.. Its about time too..

This Erica & Greg thing is very funny too....

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He has been fast a lot. I'm very impressed with them. Edwards is my favorite, but I've known Mike since right after he got out of high school. I personally don't care what it says on the valve covers. There is not much GM, Ford or MOPAR in any of them. I think that brand crap is idiocy. Not near enough OEM in any of those cars to mean anything.

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Edwards is my favorite also,great guy and great racer!

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Thats because people always think of new parts in the perspective of how they relate to older/current OEM designs when in fact, that is not what characterizes the part that comes forth. If it was developed/produced/machined or given an OEM part number, it becomes a part characterized by that particular OEM thus making it a GM/Ford/Mopar product. New designs and thinking in relation to parts that are produced should not be written off as aftermarket blah blah, but rather a part developed by an OEM as an OEM design. The fact that the OEM produced/designed/bought/machined the part makes it worthy of being called a GM or Mopar or Ford product. Everything developed by an OEM does not have to build off a design directly related to its' past or current products. The new thinking that produces these parts should be welcomed and attributed to the OEM that produced them. Just because it doesn't resemble past designs doesn't mean it can't be Mopar/GM/Ford, but rather maybe its a new idea being brought to the table instead. Sorry for the long rant but I wanted to share a different perspective on things and I know I will be in the minority here. Don't be me up too bad fellas

PS: The first thing my dad does when seeing a new part, is compare it or call it something that came about in the 1960 or 70's. Sometimes new parts are just that, newly reformed parts with no resemblance/similarity to past designs.

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Only thing from GM is two head castings and a roof panel and I'm not sure about the rear quarter panels for the body. Four pieces. Before I started screwing around with my black car (was driving it to work at that time) I was getting in Edwards' way at the races. Right now I can't think of the guy's name in Indianapolis that was building so many Pro Stock engines, and was leasing them out. Anyway, he supposedly told one of Mike's guys he ported the new ( at that time) Chrysler heads with the same CNC program as the GMs. I've seen a set of Mike's heads as-delivered from GM. Unless something has changed they are raw castings. Not much of an OEM design there. Only a rough, about a 1", hole where an intake port would be. No seats, guides, etc. about four to six pieces from GM in the whole car. Same for the others. Big deal.

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Dead on, Ed !!!

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Aftermarket head castings with a "factory" part number and CNC ports. When Dale Eicke took over the Mopar program after the Wayne County "break in", I remember reading that he had a set of Pontiac heads "blessed" with a Mopar part number. It's my contention that those "factory" part numbers are assigned to parts that are developed by individuals (Glidden, Roy Johnson, WJ, Larry Morgan, Eicke etc) using manufacturers money and that manufacturer gets their name and part number on the part. The parts themselves don't resemble current assembly line parts in any way at all really.

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Todd, you are right. Warren developed one generation of the GM heads, and I read also the blocks. That would make them WJs, not GMs. Right? LOL

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I'd say you're right, Ed !! I pretty much lost interest n Pro Stock after all that "nitrous cheating" crap came to light (Wayne County, Jerry Eckman, Billy Glidden - and I'd LOVE to believe WJ). That was 15 or more years ago, and nowadays it's even farther away from "stock", especially in appearance. The NHRA rule book back then said the cars had to use a factory roof and quarter panels. I'm sure that's not the case today. Possibly a "factory" roof panel as you say ????

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From the 2012 rulebook in Pro Stock section:

"NHRA-accepted composite body mandatory."

They don't even use real bodies anymore. Nothing about Pro Stock is stock. But then very little about Stock is stock anymore. And it's all in the name of progress.

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I really don't care how "stock" they are. It's close racing between normally aspirated door cars. I like Comp too. Nothing "stock" there either. I can't imagine a person interested in engine technology not being interested in Pro Stock.

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I gotta tell you, Ed, I'm not a big fan of the homogenized jelly beans that Pro Stocks have become. I prefer it when pro stock bodies were actual cars. (Much like NASCAR has become as well).

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Exactly my thoughts as well. This class is incredible. The close races, the precision needed for perfect run everytime and the technology. The cars are a marvel.

I wonder if or when they may allow Fuel Injection and dare I say it, Overhead Cams maybe in 10 years ;)

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Unfortunately, using OEM bodies or bodies more similar to OEM will create an even bigger parity issue giving rule makers an even bigger headache.

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Still talking about fuel injection. Racing is so close, I don't understand why they would change it.

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Racing is very close and as a fan of the class I think the parity is there and don't need to make big changes. Everyone has their new bodies that are lot closer to one another. I hated when the everyone was running the small body cars for the advantage. It killed off the mustangs and the F-body's from being competitive in the class with the huge frontal area in comparison of the cavaliers, etc. Once NHRA and manufactures submitted the redesigned pro-stock bodies things were a lot closer and now we've go mustangs and camaros back.

Has a fan of bringing more current technology and closer relevance to production cars, which hopefully will bring more Manufactures back to racing while providing some trickle down effect to consumer cars. I would like to see some progression. However that is deathly expensive, harder to govern, and could cause some parity issues once again.

On one hand it would detract from some fans that like the close racing, on the other hand it would bring some fans in.
Like NASCAR, I can't get into that in the least. But I could have gotten into it in the earlier days when the manufactures where involved. Competition breeds the best.

Sooooo I'm conflicted lol. I'm a car guy first and foremost.

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The drivers voted earlier this year and they don't want fuel injection. A whole lot of money and in the end you end up in the same place. The engine won't make anymore power with fuel injection per WJ. He knows a little bit about a pro stock engine. LOL

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Pro Stock and Comp are the only classes I will watch anymore. (other than S/SS of course). I really would like to see bodies that are closer to stock however. It's getting harder to tell what's what. Comp amazes me (doesn't take much) and probably the most innovative class there is. I'm good friends with the Treadwell's and Glenn is a genius in my book. Jim


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It is close racing, IMHO it'd just be nice if the cars were still like they were 15 years ago. They are a bit like NASCAR cars in that they really don't resemble actual street cars, but given the choice, I'd watch Pro Stock hands down every time. Watching cars turn left all day just makes me dizzy. It blows my mind how many people are into it.

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Heck , Jim, I have to look for a name on the new cars on the street anyway. Run them
through a wind tunnel to save fuel and they all end up shaped pretty much alike. I watch SS, Comp and Pro Stock. Have no interest in any of the track oilers, pro mod included. Can't believe they did away with Pro Stock trucks, and kept the bikes. I would have just as soon they moved them to cars. Don't personally care for trucks unless I need to haul something too big to fit in the trunk of a car. Small block Pro Stock cars ( like in Austrailia) would be neat IMHO. Just my thoughts. Please don't shoot me. I'm old.

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Homogonized Jelly Beans. I like that. One thing this forum does not lack is imaginative descriptive words. Back on point, Erica looks better than Greg, probably smells better too, so what we fightin about. Yeah the cars look alike. We actually have a Jason Line pro stock that is about 5 years old, and now a T/S. Trick stuff. I think Lil Joe might sell it too as a roller. Any interest. We also got a 1200 hp motor from Jeggie from years back in P/S. Probably for sale. Was used to break in a comp car, which now has a Mopar P/S motor. It's fresh. I'm lost on the wrong forum, but I'm lost anyway.

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Yes Jim, Comp is pretty cool with its diversity and competitiveness.

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Heck Ed I'm not gunna shoot at *you*! I'm saving my ammo for better targets.:eek: Jim


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My favorite class is Pro Stock, followed by Comp, Super Stock, Stock, and Pro Mod.

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Yeah, it is sad that Pro Stock has been allowed to follow the NASCAR lead. Now the cars represent absolutely nothing.

The body rules being contorted to the point where they're all "jelly beans" is nothing but a bunch of excuses.

Maybe if an OEM doesn't want to make a car that fits the rules and is competitive, they should just bail out.

To me it is just another sad example of what is wrong with racing and the automotive industry. It's a sign that there are very few "car guys" left anywhere in the automotive world.

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If you find the ESPN coverage of her win in Chicago, while they were interviewing Dave Connelly at the starting line, Erica gets her trophy, screams and jumps up and down, and shouts something towards Greg Anderson (off screen). It's hard to hear what she says over the top of Connelly, but I think I hear the word "whinning". So, my guess is that is what Greg was upset about.

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I like the super modified cars. They start with an actual body like a cobalt etc and build the car.

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I have always belived that super modified is the REAL pro stock because of the STOCK bodies...now with that said, lets bring back F/M w/ steal bodies 8.5 lbs per cubic inch, 4150 carbs, and 5 speeds, and a tire no bigger than 14.32. And if you get out run shut-up, go home, and find some more power................see you at the track

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Greg Anderson, wether you like it or not assembled a team that forever changed the face of prostock, while Erica Enders just remains a pretty face. Greg is the essence of the sport ,he can do everything on that car while Erica is just a driver who happens to have some kind of appeal (to who I dont know) , she couldn't walk a step in his shoes. Im not one to toot someones horn but all this bashing is just jealousy. I never thought I would see the day when drag racing would turn into a popularity contest like American Idol. Greg may not be the best loser (and he aint no loser) but someone who puts their heart and soul into this may have a different perspective as someone who casually observes the situation.It's a shame that the REAL RACERS who do everything are getting bad ink to the puppets that drive because it's a good business decision and they're marketable.The bottom line ,if you can't do it all your a poser and the REAL RACERS wont respect you, and it seems as there are not many left.

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So I just learned that Jeg Coughlin Jr. is not a REAL RACER, I'm glad someone pointed that out for me lol.

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Opinions are like belly buttons. LOL

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Copperhead: the big difference in all the names you mentioned is that they are all winners, even Brandon to a point. Tony has won championships and so has Jeggie, along with showing he can not only drive anything but can win in it. So what has Erica done; oh thats' right she won one race in 122 tries please.

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Sid Waterman, said that about Top Fuel, but Pro Stock is a different animal not so easy to drive and even harder to win.

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Greg shoulda spoke to Erica before ESPN, but since he did.

Gary Gerould should have said
"Lighten up Francis" LMAO.

I like Greg and all who run pro stock. But a stupid move, I guess any publicity.......
what does Warren have to say........