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HR9121 06-20-2013 02:31 PM

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After the comment he made to Ed Wright in post #58, I vote to ban his ***. No need for that here but either way could you set the forum where you could "ignore" someone's post? That could be the ticket.

Jeff Teuton 06-20-2013 03:10 PM

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Yall do know that wheelie bars are legal in stock and super stock, and we are only talking about notches on the newer cars in SS, and basically the same in stock. If you can get them under the car and don't need the notches, then it's a done deal. Is all this about notches? I must be missing something here.

Jack Matyas 06-20-2013 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 387349)
Yall do know that wheelie bars are legal in stock and super stock, and we are only talking about notches on the newer cars in SS, and basically the same in stock. If you can get them under the car and don't need the notches, then it's a done deal. Is all this about notches? I must be missing something here.

Jeff - You didn't miss a thing -- its all about the notches and nothing else .All these pages and posts about nothing - kinda like the Seinfeld deal isn't it .

CBS 06-20-2013 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 387349)
Yall do know that wheelie bars are legal in stock and super stock, and we are only talking about notches on the newer cars in SS, and basically the same in stock. If you can get them under the car and don't need the notches, then it's a done deal. Is all this about notches? I must be missing something here.

Yes....It's about notches in the rear fascia....nothing else....nobody cares about how you run your car with no bars or how great you are...we just want to notch the fascia for wheelie bar clearance....that's it....

Rock Haas

Hagen Gary 06-20-2013 04:06 PM

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Jeff, if you read the first post it is stated that an NHRA official said nobody at NHRA thinks wheelie bars are for safety. Obviously that's an incorrect statement. That being said, maybe the new cars can find a different way to keep it safe without wheelie bar notches. Maybe this helps some of the older cars when the new ones can't launch as hard. I have noticed that none of Jeff's new cars have them, but I'm sure his opinion is the same as mine after his son drug the bumper to the 330 and made a move towards the wall in Houston. If your going to leave that hard, bars help keep everyone safe. Either way it seems like a poor choice of things to enforce.

Bruce Noland 06-20-2013 04:49 PM

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Well, let's say we have had some colorful commentary from the peanut gallery. Hagen is right on the money with both of his posts.

Ed Wright 06-20-2013 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagen gary (Post 387360)
jeff, if you read the first post it is stated that an nhra official said nobody at nhra thinks wheelie bars are for safety. Obviously that's an incorrect statement. That being said, maybe the new cars can find a different way to keep it safe without wheelie bar notches. Maybe this helps some of the older cars when the new ones can't launch as hard. I have noticed that none of jeff's new cars have them, but i'm sure his opinion is the same as mine after his son drug the bumper to the 330 and made a move towards the wall in houston. If your going to leave that hard, bars help keep everyone safe. Either way it seems like a poor choice of things to enforce.

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Alan Roehrich 06-20-2013 06:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 387343)
After the comment he made to Ed Wright in post #58, I vote to ban his ***. No need for that here but either way could you set the forum where you could "ignore" someone's post? That could be the ticket.

FYI, post #58 is NOT Ed Wright. It belongs to some one named "Ed" alright, just not Ed Wright.

HR9121 06-20-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 387383)
FYI, post #58 is NOT Ed Wright. It belongs to some one named "Ed" alright, just not Ed Wright.

Alan I was refering to the comments 1320 made to Ed but I guess you got my drift.

Bob Bender 06-20-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by signman (Post 387305)
jumped right on that like a bass on a june bug :eek: Didn't ya!
The bracket finals is run like a points race and you would not miss that!

Much of what you state is only partially true.
Just point of view and experience. How ever limited.

x2

Jim Wahl 06-20-2013 10:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by admin (Post 387328)
I guess its time for me to chime in again. Ed(1320racer), I have received numerous emails to have you banned. While you are not breaking any rules at the moment, your constant ego driven responses are just getting old. Can you not just give it a rest. Knowing everything about everything must make hanging out at the track with you a nightmare. Thankfully you have chose not to run NHRA Div, and Nat. events.

I'm sure many here will agree that banning someone for an opinion is wrong. I get enough heat from some members thinking I ban members because I don't agree with them. I have been accused of hating bracket racers, super classes, and any other class that has nothing to do with stock and super stock.

My suggestion to all is to ignore Ed, he will eventually go away. Even if he does not, he will be irrelevant.

If everyone feels he should be removed in spite of my suggestion, either post here or email or pm me.


Ken

Ken
I have to say you have handled this one like a champ. You can tell I am getting old and tired of this kind of stuff or I would have quickly jumped in this guys poop with a vengeance like I used to do! I can't believe Perrone didn't call Ed an "a$$clown" or something as colorful! He missed a perfect chance. Maybe we all are getting a little old and tired? Jim


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boostedf22c 06-20-2013 10:51 PM

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Can super stock cars notch for wheelie bars??

Notch1320 06-20-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by boostedf22c (Post 387413)
Can super stock cars notch for wheelie bars??

They can until August 28, 2013. Is this a correct statement experts?

Chipper Chapman 06-21-2013 01:17 AM

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To NHRA, If they do nothing for safety, take them off the pro stock and pro mod cars, see what happens! Good luck cleaning up that mess.

Hagen Gary 06-21-2013 02:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Notch1320 (Post 387417)
They can until August 28, 2013. Is this a correct statement experts?

No

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedf22c (Post 387413)
Can super stock cars notch for wheelie bars??

Traditional Super Stocker, No
GT Super Stocker, Yes
Experimental class, Whatever you want. Just make it fast and unusual. Mission Accomplished Sir.

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 387370)
Well, let's say we have had some colorful commentary from the peanut gallery. Hagen is right on the money with both of his posts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 387378)
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Thanks Guys. Its good to hear that others share the same outlook and I'm not off my rocker. I would think the 1320 twins feel a little different about that right now, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just so happens that they aren't deep enough into Stock racing to really understand why "we" use them. Either way, they are probably just trying to interact with racers from a class they admire. We could use a few fans, no matter how wrong they are about the class.

BTW Bruce, If this is yours, I really like it
http://dragracecentral.com/DRCPhoto.asp?ID=250328

Notch1320 06-21-2013 02:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary (Post 387429)
Traditional Super Stocker, No
GT Super Stocker, Yes
Experimental class, Whatever you want. Just make it fast and unusual. Mission Accomplished Sir.
Thanks Guys. Its good to hear that others share the same outlook and I'm not off my rocker. I would think the 1320 twins feel a little different about that right now, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just so happens that they aren't deep enough into Stock racing to really understand why "we" use them. Either way, they are probably just trying to interact with racers from a class they admire. We could use a few fans, no matter how wrong they are about the class.

Thanks for the clarification on the SS categories.

I appreciate the spirited banter, but still hold my opinion on the bars. I'm all for added safety when it comes to any racing, and hate to see anyone's ride or driver damaged/injured. I was never out to change anyone's mind, just suggest that there are other ways to skin a cat as they say. Maybe that's not allowed in this forum??? What do I know.....I'm just a little K/Stocker, right? Carry on O-Great Ones........

KRatcliff 06-21-2013 07:50 AM

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In a weak or poor moment of judgement, Ed Wright is allowing me to stay at his house this weekend while I am at Tulsa. I won't go into details, but I can assure you that he is not envious or jealous of anyone. I cannot say the same after seeing some of the things I have seen.

I will say something that I cannot figure out. He has a library to die for and is an incredible reader, plus his shop is immaculate. As much as he entertains us here I cannot figure out how he has the time. He must have some hidden midgets under his employ.

That may explain why I felt like my feet were being tickled all night.

Bruce Noland 06-21-2013 08:17 AM

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Hagen,
Thanks for the comment.

Kyle,
You should consider creating several characters and writing a pilot for a sitcom. Your stuff is really that good.

KRatcliff 06-21-2013 08:47 AM

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Thanks Bruce. I had a book coming out, but Pedigo nixed it when he saw I kept referring to him as One Hop Bob.

Pedigo Perf 06-21-2013 09:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KRatcliff (Post 387447)
Thanks Bruce. I had a book coming out, but Pedigo nixed it when he saw I kept referring to him as One Hop Bob.

I think you better set that last pin up and get out of the way. My IT guy is almost done.

Todd Hoven 06-21-2013 09:44 AM

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Hey Ed, I had a conversation like this with a very good friend of ours just last week. I don't have a problem with what you have posted below
except for the bracket racing statement. Ask some of your friends that have raced stock from time to time in borrowed car what they think of heads up races. I know Jack and Larry lost a tough heads up at Etown. I'm sure they wouldn't share your opinion of we are all doing the same thing.
Most bracket guys have this opinion, I ignore them just about completly. If you have never been on a Q sheet for performance, had to Q to get in a race, get torn down at a race, or draw a heads up in an early round, or a late one with a car that is faster you will just never know.

The wheelie bar debate. If they are allowing guys to run them, they should alow trimming for them to fit. My good friend wrecked his car 10 years ago at Atco. If he had the wheelie bars he would still have the car. It's that simple. This was before the good shocks were available, and you were winging it. Now, no matter what there is a good chance on a wheel stand you can come back for the next run. They should be run, of the car owner wants to, and be allowed to be fit accordingly.

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Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 387296)
Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience. :D


novassdude 06-21-2013 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 387296)
Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience. :D

Since you seem to hate everything about class racing what are you doing on this site?

Just A Fan 06-21-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 387459)
Since you seem to hate everything about class racing what are you doing on this site?

Post of the year.

Dana Fitzpatrick 06-21-2013 11:43 AM

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[quote=novassdude;387459]Since you seem to hate everything about class racing what are you doing on this site?[/qu

Chad Rhodes 06-21-2013 11:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 387459)
Since you seem to hate everything about class racing what are you doing on this site?

Enquiring minds want to know......

Ed Wright 06-21-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 387467)
Enquiring minds want to know......

He can't find the et bracket section. Probably very frustrating. LOL

Alan Roehrich 06-21-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 387467)
Enquiring minds want to know......

No, not really. :cool:

CBS 06-21-2013 06:00 PM

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7423 06-21-2013 09:16 PM

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This thread has some of the best comedy ever typed on the board.
Very entertaining.......................please, continue.

Nathan Stinson 06-21-2013 09:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 387459)
Since you seem to hate everything about class racing what are you doing on this site?

I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something. Matter of fact a lot of the things 1320 mentioned, you guys have been known to bitch about. Oh the irony.

Bruce Noland 06-21-2013 10:27 PM

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You boys get lost on your way to the buy back lane or do you have anything constructive to say?

SStockDart 06-21-2013 10:51 PM

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FYI, Class Racers are like family.........we disagree on many things, but then end result is that we love the sport and are proud of what we do...........we will argue among ourselves and beat each other up..........BUT......let an outsider come in that criticizes us and we will take them to the wood shed.....

Ken Miele 06-21-2013 10:58 PM

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Gary,

I could not have said it any better, thank you.

Todd Hoven 06-21-2013 11:18 PM

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X3

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstockdart (Post 387549)
fyi, class racers are like family.........we disagree on many things, but then end result is that we love the sport and are proud of what we do...........we will argue among ourselves and beat each other up..........but......let an outsider come in that criticizes us and we will take them to the wood shed.....


Alan Roehrich 06-21-2013 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson (Post 387532)
I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something. Matter of fact a lot of the things 1320 mentioned, you guys have been known to bitch about. Oh the irony.

Obviously, no one pays you to think. Or if they do, they certainly are not getting their money's worth.

It appears that a lot of people who do not race Stock and Super Stock believe people who do race Stock and Super Stock desperately need their input.

Odd, when people who can't, or won't, do what you're doing (or both can't and won't) seem to want to tell you how to do it better, they never quite get it right. Go figure.

Don Kennedy 06-22-2013 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by todd hoven (Post 387554)
x3

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Joe Martens 06-22-2013 12:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 387549)
FYI, Class Racers are like family.........we disagree on many things, but then end result is that we love the sport and are proud of what we do...........we will argue among ourselves and beat each other up..........BUT......let an outsider come in that criticizes us and we will take them to the wood shed.....

Amen!!!

Nathan Stinson 06-22-2013 08:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 387558)
Obviously, no one pays you to think. Or if they do, they certainly are not getting their money's worth.

It appears that a lot of people who do not race Stock and Super Stock believe people who do race Stock and Super Stock desperately need their input.

Odd, when people who can't, or won't, do what you're doing (or both can't and won't) seem to want to tell you how to do it better, they never quite get it right. Go figure.

I never gave any input just made a observation. Like I have told you before Alan I have been around and know a lot of you guys. Funny how you assume people can't do something. I choose to do something else but I don't look down my nose like some of you elitist snobs that call yourself class racers. What car do you own Alan? Last I seen you were running Kevin's grill and your mouth. Kinda like you do on here.

Nathan Stinson 06-22-2013 08:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 387549)
FYI, Class Racers are like family.........we disagree on many things, but then end result is that we love the sport and are proud of what we do...........we will argue among ourselves and beat each other up..........BUT......let an outsider come in that criticizes us and we will take them to the wood shed.....

All racers should be family. I respect what s/ss guys do and have been around it a long time. Its a shame that some of you folks can't offer that same respect to other forms of drag racing. You may be surprised what you could learn if you opened your minds.

Alan Roehrich 06-22-2013 08:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson (Post 387576)
I never gave any input just made a observation. Like I have told you before Alan I have been around and know a lot of you guys. Funny how you assume people can't do something. I choose to do something else but I don't look down my nose like some of you elitist snobs that call yourself class racers. What car do you own Alan? Last I seen you were running Kevin's grill and your mouth. Kinda like you do on here.

I don't own a car right now, that will change soon enough. I work on a few for other people.

I don't look down my nose at anyone. I do, however, get annoyed with people like you who have a habit of making a bunch of ill informed and ignorant comments such as the post I quoted.

FYI, I build most everything on that car, the engine, transmission, and rear end. I don't own it, that's true. Ask Kevin about it some time, since you seem to know so much.


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