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HR9121 10-18-2013 09:32 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 405037)
easy to hang them both

Or beat them to a pulp and make them hang out at the staging lanes for everyone to see.

BLAZER 10-18-2013 10:34 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Could it be that someone here is getting pissed about getting beat first or second round every race? When the fun quits--seek help!

thomas sheehan 10-19-2013 12:50 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 405029)
The truth is out they both just got busted

Mickey.... Who got busted?
.... For what?

Dan Fletcher 10-19-2013 07:14 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Mr. Nolan, perhaps I'm off base here, but when you reference and question the feasibility (read legality) of one that wins 4, 5 or more races a year, I can't help but feel as though your comment is at least somewhat directed towards me. NHRA does do spot electronic checks, and I've been done several times over the years. My car is so simple its not even funny, so it really doesn't take very long.

If you have any interest in obtaining further "piece of mind" when it comes to my dinosaur of a vehicle, feel free to pony up with the funds and have at it. Either you and your friends go to dinner and I lose my sponsors, reputation, means to support my family, etc., or me and my friends go to dinner. I'll be making reservations now...

1320racer 10-19-2013 07:40 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
translated... put up or shut up!

I for one am tired of hearing/reading all these first round runner ups accuse everyone that wins a race no mind multiple races a cheater.

HP HUNTER 10-19-2013 08:20 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 404917)
Herb...

1. as piedmont's track manager, your post doesn't say much about your professionalism and calls into question what should be your unbiased decision making should an issue arise between pairings, the ladder, bye runs, etc.

2. no where in my post did I state I am "so good on the bottom"

3. I'm a bracket racer, not a grudge racer. We don't race best of anything, we race each round to eliminate except in North Carolina where there is no tech inspection and where you can buyback until you run out of $ and if you're "lucky" enough to hold the "mulligan" that's drawn, they'll put you back in the race late in the rounds.

4. my comment about beard's bad day was to show he's human too as beard never misses and opportunity to tell everyone how good he is even in this thread about alleged NHRA inspections for cheating in super stock, stating his every round reaction times of his good weekend.

5. I have supported beard's thanksgiving race in the past as well yours and had every intention of supporting it again this year with a double entry, being that it's back at piedmont which is a far better facility than that dump known as cpd, but based on your comments above, and questionable unbiased decision making skills as the manager, I'll pass and I'll be sure to let my friends know who were on the fence why I am not going.

6. when/if beard shows up again at numidia, I'll make every effort to line up with him and based on his comments, his car will help me to facilitate his out of here in 10 minutes routine.;) Better yet, my kid could run him.

7. that all said, why make this about beard when you have made it about you and me so here's what I'm thinking...no time shots, no buybacks, no mulligans, no best of 7! You line up against me, put a number the window, 1 time,1 round in a legal/no electronics, footbrake launched door car and we bracket race. Both cars are inspected immediately after turning off the track by the track manager and you/I. Race and inspection will be video'd. The loser donates $5,000 within 48 hours to the winner's legit, incorporated, nationally known charity. The track chosen will be halfway between us. Hell you even get a tax deduction. So put up or shut up!

8. BTW, I'm with you, I don't care about the car that you witnessed run 1.28 60 foot in 2007 that I sold 5 years ago, that a another poster felt compelled to talk about in this thread. My current ride is far more impressive and 60 foots as quick as 1.17! :D

Ed, heres the bottom line, the red chevelle you formerly owned ran a best of high 10 ohs in negative air with a oval port production engine with 1.3 60 foots and high 4.0s in the 330, hardly impressive compared to what several chevelles the same as yours have run today. Fast forward to the 522 inch aftermarket engine in the same red chevelle, 9.89 @ 134, high 1.3 60 foots in negative air, again hardly impressive in comparisome to what several of us have run with production oval port heads. Several times myself and others have asked you to post your claimed 1.2 60 timeslip, you always refuse, you said you ran that number next to a racer out of Jenkins shop, this racer out of Jenkins shop did not ever remember that 1.2 60 foot you claim. You have stated on this forum you have the time slip, since this is such a topic of discussion on this forum why don't you just post it and put this to rest, seems logical to me. As far your 522 inch SS/GT goes its going to be hard for you to garner respect on here seeing this car was run with 522 inches of aftermarket big block, personally I would like see what would happen if Grossi and his peanut port , flattop, Q-Jet GT car got ahold of you and your aftermarket 522 @ Atco, Im pretty sure I know what would happen. BTW what did you replace the 522 you blew up all over the track with? One more thing Ed, how many of you on here believe a Mallory 140 fuel pump with a return would supply sufficent fuel on a 3625 pound nine second chevelle?

Pete Beau 10-19-2013 08:42 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tim worner (Post 404931)
The mental health screen would take away most racers. I've always said "who in their right mind would do this"


X2. That's what I was thinking.

Ed Wright 10-19-2013 09:42 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Beau (Post 405074)
X2. That's what I was thinking.

X3!! If we were wired right, we would be putting this money in our retirement, not be doing this with it. LOL

Adger Smith 10-19-2013 10:00 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Sorry, 1320 ED. I don't need you to translate. Fletch came through loud and clear.
He didn't even leave anything to read between the lines.
OH Don, I have seen him red lite in competition. He ran my little red Camaro with Beard driving. He turned on the bulb just a fraction of a second before Beard did, too. I wish we had unscrewed those red bulbs for that run. He and I had been in a dialing dual in the lanes, over Beards objections, and I think we were down to holding about the same number. We both wanted to leave last. Both cars were probably very equal in E.T.'s & MPH. That would have been a pretty good race at the stripe.

Need I point out that he is human just like you and me. When it comes to racing He just has a better skill set so he has trained & polished himself a little (a lot):) better than most of us. I've always thought that individuals like him have "Earned" respect, not criticism.

7423 10-19-2013 10:24 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HP HUNTER (Post 405071)
Ed, heres the bottom line, the red chevelle you formerly owned ran a best of high 10 ohs in negative air with a oval port production engine with 1.3 60 foots and high 4.0s in the 330, hardly impressive compared to what several chevelles the same as yours have run today. Fast forward to the 522 inch aftermarket engine in the same red chevelle, 9.89 @ 134, high 1.3 60 foots in negative air, again hardly impressive in comparisome to what several of us have run with production oval port heads. Several times myself and others have asked you to post your claimed 1.2 60 timeslip, you always refuse, you said you ran that number next to a racer out of Jenkins shop, this racer out of Jenkins shop did not ever remember that 1.2 60 foot you claim. You have stated on this forum you have the time slip, since this is such a topic of discussion on this forum why don't you just post it and put this to rest, seems logical to me. As far your 522 inch SS/GT goes its going to be hard for you to garner respect on here seeing this car was run with 522 inches of aftermarket big block, personally I would like see what would happen if Grossi and his peanut port , flattop, Q-Jet GT car got ahold of you and your aftermarket 522 @ Atco, Im pretty sure I know what would happen. BTW what did you replace the 522 you blew up all over the track with? One more thing Ed, how many of you on here believe a Mallory 140 fuel pump with a return would supply sufficent fuel on a 3625 pound nine second chevelle?

Nine pages back, Don Kennedy started a post about cheating in S & S/S. The validity of that topic still remains to be seen.

Please tell me what 60ft times and a red Chevelle have to do with this thread???
If you would like to compare **** sizes with another racer, please start your own thread and lets get back to the real topic of where Fletcher will be dining on someone elses dime.

Bridgewater7185 10-19-2013 10:46 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Dan...may I join your dinner party...I will order the buss for transportation to the appropriate places.

Don Kennedy 10-19-2013 10:50 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404575)
heard a rumor today that there will be a major effort by NHRA to check in Super Stock electronics

...

Tom Nolan 10-19-2013 10:53 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Sorry Dan but I would never accuse anyone that they may be doing something wrong, I believe that's the tech officials job. I just feel that there needs to be regular spot checks for driver aids. Just like fuel, weight, legal combo, and safety. I have not heard of any of the Stock or Superstock community having their cars spot checked! All I said is I would welcome driver aid checks. It seems that no matter what anyone has to say here someone is ready to twist your words and jump down your throat just because you have an opinion! Lighten up, no one has anything to worry about unless they really do have something to worry about?

Rusty2211 10-19-2013 12:18 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
I had my car checked over a few years ago after cutting a .006 light in the 4th round at a National Event. I'm not a guy who has very many .00 lights, so I'm pretty sure I triggered something with NHRA's data. After fuel check, a younger Tech guy I had never seen before said "Hi, pull your car over here and I'm going to check some stuff". He also asked me to stand over away from the car. I said great. Anyway, he spent about 15 minutes under the car and under the dash. He said everything was good. I wish NHRA would do more of this.
Rusty

KEN BUGAJ 10-19-2013 12:45 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Nolan (Post 405088)
Sorry Dan but I would never accuse anyone that they may be doing something wrong, I believe that's the tech officials job. I just feel that there needs to be regular spot checks for driver aids. Just like fuel, weight, legal combo, and safety. I have not heard of any of the Stock or Superstock community having their cars spot checked! All I said is I would welcome driver aid checks. It seems that no matter what anyone has to say here someone is ready to twist your words and jump down your throat just because you have an opinion! Lighten up, no one has anything to worry about unless they really do have something to worry about?

Well I know some cheaters !!
A couple years ago I had this guy hounding me to trade my 69 Camaro stocker for a crate motor car. One day when He called I said ok but I wanted the car the next day.
Well sure enough, He was at my shop with the car the next morning.
Deal was trade plus He would give me $3000.00
Well when he was at my shop he only had $1,000 but promised he would send me the balance when He got home. I'm still waiting for a $1000. of it.
Looking at the car when He left I realized the wiring was a mess so I had a friend take it to his shop to rewire the car,,,, BUSTED !!! We found a delay box hidden in the car,, We took pictures of the whole set up and sent them to NHRA and IHRA.
To make matters worse the motor had a SS cam in it...
I hate a Cheater !!!
No,,, it's not the white car I have now,

442OLDS 10-19-2013 01:33 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ (Post 405095)
Well I know some cheaters !!
A couple years ago I had this guy hounding me to trade my 69 Camaro stocker for a crate motor car. One day when He called I said ok but I wanted the car the next day.
Well sure enough, He was at my shop with the car the next morning.
Deal was trade plus He would give me $3000.00
Well when he was at my shop he only had $1,000 but promised he would send me the balance when He got home. I'm still waiting for a $1000. of it.
Looking at the car when He left I realized the wiring was a mess so I had a friend take it to his shop to rewire the car,,,, BUSTED !!! We found a delay box hidden in the car,, We took pictures of the whole set up and sent them to NHRA and IHRA.
To make matters worse the motor had a SS cam in it...
I hate a Cheater !!!
No,,, it's not the white car I have now,


Did the guy ever win any races with the car?

KEN BUGAJ 10-19-2013 01:37 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 405097)
Did the guy ever win any races with the car?

I believe so, would that matter ?

Ed Wright 10-19-2013 02:06 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 405060)
Mickey.... Who got busted?
.... For what?

I'm still trying to figure this out also.

HR9121 10-19-2013 02:19 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
I'll have to let mickey tell it, its better that way.

442OLDS 10-19-2013 02:45 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
I heard the guys that got busted were the same two that got tangled up?

cicero819 10-19-2013 02:51 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Dan, I have to say that your small piece of cardboard is an unfair advantage just below your rear view mirror. Just to make it fair to all the racers out there, you could manufacture some and make it available to all the racers out there for a small fee of just " $19.95 " and all of us can now cut those killer lights, once you own one you can forget all those crazy electronics. You could give Dan a Little Red Wagon ( the one we all had when we where kids) and he would probably beat most on the top end with the on and off the push with his right foot.lol I'm sure that no one is pointing the finger at you in the first place. just look on utube and check out who's out there showing us how to do it properly in the first place.
Where there's is man you will find someone to push the envelope in anything.Keep up the good work. Claude Ruel

442OLDS 10-19-2013 02:53 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ (Post 405098)
I believe so, would that matter ?


Either way it would be wrong,but I was just curious if the guy even won a round.It would really make him want to sell the car if he cheated and STILL lost first round every race.

KEN BUGAJ 10-19-2013 04:17 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 405105)
Either way it would be wrong,but I was just curious if the guy even won a round.It would really make him want to sell the car if he cheated and STILL lost first round every race.

He didn't race for awhile, but I see He's back now !

Tom Meyer 10-19-2013 05:44 PM

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Some thing you guys forgot to say was some guys just have the luck no matter what. I have see some guys win on 50 lights then loose the next round with a double 0. If it is your day its your day and if you have skill and good luck at the same time you go rounds. Tom

david ring 10-19-2013 08:17 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher (Post 404922)
perhaps NHRA should consider instituting some form of mental health screening as a condition of participation...

Dan,

That would mean no more comp-you know we are nuts to be racing that class.

HP HUNTER 10-19-2013 09:52 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 405034)
rich I don't need you or anyone to defend me!

Maybe you don't Ed, but it sure would have been nice if Rich would have built you some more HP in that oval port rat, and showed you how to utilize it, cause you sure would be taking a lot less shi_ these days. LOL ahhhhhh:D

SStockDart 10-19-2013 09:54 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david ring (Post 405122)
Dan,

That would mean no more comp-you know we are nuts to be racing that class.

I don't think that pertains to just Comp....but I would rather be a Crazy Old Fool than just an Old Fool, therefore, I race..?!?!?! (try to figure that out LOL)

SS Engine Guy 10-19-2013 11:18 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
What's the cost to pull a rear end cover? Felt I better edit this and put in no reference to Dan which can drive anything anywhere as he has done in several classes.

Dan Fletcher 10-20-2013 07:14 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
No Tom, I didn't twist your words around, nor jump down your throat. On a thread that basically centered around "cheating", you mentioned spot checks, I agree. But you then chose to highlight how difficult it is to win and that the odds of winning multiple times in a season must be "incredible". Your implication is clear, and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. Own it.

I simply stated that NHRA does in fact do spot checks, and that the opportunity is there for you to have my car inspected. That is fact, not veiled innuendo...

Lighten up? I have a suggestion for you, and I'll give you a hint. It starts with go...

Lee Valentine 10-20-2013 07:27 AM

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Dan could give everyone a free .015 light and still beat them 80% of the time. the fact that is crazy enough to do this to feed his family makes him insane in my book. How many on here would have the guts to try it.

Alan Roehrich 10-20-2013 08:33 AM

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Are some people around here channeling Ed O'Cryin' or something?


:eek:

:rolleyes:

:cool:

Tom Nolan 10-20-2013 09:53 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Please accept my apologies Dan, there was never intent to reference you in my post. I thought this thread in my first post was about driver aid spot checks not who's cheating? You have my respect traveling the country drag racing for a living, chasing sponsors, collecting contingency winnings must be very stressful. I race because I enjoy the challenge of racing within a defined set of rules that need to include driver aid checks! I have never even come close to winning a national event and likely never will. I get a bigger kick out of class than anything. I could never do what you do ....mostly because I'm just not that good, and the pressure would be far greater than I could stand! I'm sure my cars will be the first to be spot checked, and I'm OK with that. Please have a nice day I hope I have not offended anyone else. Life is far to short to be pissed off!

Adger Smith 10-20-2013 10:37 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Alan, Which Ed would that be?:confused:

Peter Ash 10-20-2013 11:23 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
This is all too much.

10 years ago I used to put a folded piece of paper labelled "Cheat Sheet" on my dashboard and lock the car and leave. It drove everyone bongkers! Probably/hopefully, enough for them to lose their focus and most rounds against me, LMAO! I got the local jacket that year!

James Perrone 10-20-2013 11:28 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Dan as you can see YOU CANT FIX STUPID..
These internet Jockeys are just what they are STUPID. Idiot Tom Nolan your apology is a JOKE.Guilty as charged you and JOK-OFF are really STUPID internet scum.
Dan Fletcher is who he is from hard work and having a HUGE SET to make a living at this game..Hardest WORKING MAN IN DRAG RACING..HANDS DOWN.
Dam I don't even know why I consider Dan A friend ..all he has done is kick my *** everytime we have raced,,, I guess I'm TO STUPID to quit trying....

Don Kennedy 10-20-2013 12:38 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 405175)
Dan as you can see YOU CANT FIX STUPID..
These internet Jockeys are just what they are STUPID. Idiot Tom Nolan your apology is a JOKE.Guilty as charged you and JOK-OFF are really STUPID internet scum.
Dan Fletcher is who he is from hard work and having a HUGE SET to make a living at this game..Hardest WORKING MAN IN DRAG RACING..HANDS DOWN.
Dam I don't even know why I consider Dan A friend ..all he has done is kick my *** everytime we have raced,,, I guess I'm TO STUPID to quit trying....

James
I consider Tom Nolan as a very good friend of mine and Your assessment of him is very wrong (you don't even know him)> calling people names shows simply the name calling person has really nothing to offer in a discusion . No one brought up Dan,s name except Dan .Tom did not accuse one single person of cheating with a electronic device . Some internet lurkers as well as people who post under a phony name or alias sometimes think the post was geared towards them some time it is and some time is isn't I guess it all depends on the subject being discussed

MAURICE BLENDHEIM 10-20-2013 12:49 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404575)
heard a rumor today that there will be a major effort by NHRA to check in Super Stock electronics

Don... Satisfied about passing on a rumor. MB.

Don Kennedy 10-20-2013 12:56 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MAURICE BLENDHEIM (Post 405184)
Don... Satisfied about passing on a rumor. MB.

,,

SSDart 10-20-2013 02:41 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 405185)
Not sure about your comment but I am positive that a lot of people have viewed this discussion to read all the comments ,some with real names, phony names and some lurkers and with all the e-mails I have gotten this discussion has been fun to read as verified by the huge amount of Views lol:)

I think the thread really took off when Crusty and Bozo started arguing about 60ft times in their bracket cars.................. Everyone love Clowns...........:D

Ed Wright 10-20-2013 03:37 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDart (Post 405192)
I think the thread really took off when Crusty and Bozo started arguing about 60ft times in their bracket cars.................. Everyone love Clowns...........:D

And bracket racers in the wrong section.


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