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I totally agree with your perspective. I would have to ask all the conspiracy theorists here if they have ever won a round that they should not have??? I know I certainly have. I know this looks suspicious but I really doubt its anything more that coincidence. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I should tell the story of the last time I raced Doug Lamback; Bob came to me and said the car was broke and it was up to me if I wanted to hang back and see if they could get it fixed in time. I chose to hang back, they got it fixed and we raced. The only people I know that the accusations are being leveled at are the Lambacks and from what I know of Bob and Doug they would eat their young to win a round and money is certainly not an issue so the only conclusion I can draw is that, just as in the case with me there was an issue with the car. |
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I have no horse in this race, but I have to chime in at this point.
Yes, it's "looks" suspect, that just when Lamb needed rounds he got them with very unusual circumstances. Maybe it was luck?? We have all needed lucky rounds... The smug face in that video and lack of the boards lighting up with congrats speaks volumes to support the conspiracy theory for sure. But if there WAS some shenanigans going on, why rolling the lights?? Why not simple red lights...???? Much easier and less suspect wouldn't you say? Like to know the no burnout deal with Lambeck, though. What was going on there?? While I don't know Lambeck or the other guy, I do know Mr. Gilley. Have known Larry for many years. I just can't see him taking a dive for anyone, under ANY circumstances. But at the end of the day, what a SHAME. Just to have this out there is embarrassing to me, as a fan and has sunk NHRA (lack of) CLASS RACING to a new low. If Lamb bought a couple of rounds, it's not a Championship WON for sure and don't know how any "competitor" would be happy with that. But if he didn't...how sad that his title is tainted with this crap. |
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Not looking to pick sides, but why isn't anyone talking about why Drew Skillman didn't show up at Vegas just too block? Sorry but if I (or anyone here for that matter) was that close to a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP probably should've went. Also tried to play the qualifying game. Try and get Justin 1st or 2nd round. That way if he beats me or I beat him; it was won fair and square. None of this would've happened. Were all jumping about cheating, cheating, cheating about one person. The blame kinda goes both ways.
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I just watched the video of Justin Lamb - what a smarta**. Real champions don't act like that!
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Really don't know JL personally. But I don't think anything happened at the Vegas divisional. I know Austin Williams and he's not the type to take a dive, he's too competitive. Also I was told Romero had his console in pieces after the loss trying to figure out what went wrong. However the whole Lambeck race with Justin I'm a little curious about. I'll just keep my mouth shut on that, but it's no secret racers have bought and tried to buy rounds in the past. Hopefully it's not the case with Lamb.
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I wasn't going to coment on this and will not coment on things i have no knowledge, ie; (other racers driving ability or motives), however I will coment on the Race between Larry Gilley and Justin Lamb ! for those of you who are racers, not bench racers understand and appreciate how much work and planning goes into class racing. We try our best to avoid heads up during eliminations for several reasons. You spend hours, time and money to get your car dialed in, then you have to change everything for the heads up, then try and go back to bracket mode. Not something most of us wnat to do. This was the case at LV race.Then things happen, a car gets DG'd and everytning changes on the ladder, Such as a possible heads up in the 3'rd round for Gilley. For those of you that came by our Pit area, Saturday afternoon, and Sunday morning if was pretty obvious we were preparing the Car in case we had to run Lamb heads up in the 3rd. round. Converter change Saturday afternoon, 40 lbs of ice on everything we could put it on, jet changes, chiller going, we worked on the Car to give it all we had !!!!! setting aside and not even thinking or concerning ourselves with who or what the out come would be for Lamb all we wanted was to win that Round !!! If you were standing at the starting line, which I was because I lined Gilley up then either you are blind, have no knowledge of stagging a Car, or you're just to Jealous or ignorant to know what happens when the 2 step does not attivate !! But just in case it ever happens when you're racing to the car next to you, Don't take that win, ask NHRA to rerun the race !!!!
Again don't know Justin Lamb, Don't know Drew Skillman, can't speak about any other races Lamb has had, but I do know without a doubt we gave it our all and lost on the starting line, no one was more upset than Gilley on the out come of that round ! not becuase of a "Championship" but because we lost that round ! Gilley was in a no win situration, if he would have had a bad light, gone red, been out run, had car problems, all of you would still be acuusing him of taking a Dive, no wonder NHRA complains and dislikes Stock and Super Stock racers ! BTW for those of you that have the balls to call Gilley a cheater, or accuse him of taking a dive maybe you should talk to him at Pomona, might want to order some false teeth in advance ! Lol... just kidding, or just take your ball and go Home !! |
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All the negatives in this thread makes class racing look classless and ugly!
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NORWALK, Ohio - Results of round 4 eliminations in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, North Central Division, Mickey Mart Rewards Cavalcade of Stars presented by Budweiser:
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 32 Andrew Hill 3540 Charley Downing E4 -0.011 11.231 98.89 ****WINNER**** 0.004 11.232 106.35 D/SA Dial: 10.82 (+/-): 0.411 G/S Dial: 11.07 (+/-): 0.162 Prior rounds: E3 (J Shipp ) 0.003 10.808 -0.032 (E Wallace ) 0.035 11.064 0.004 E2 (M Kubiak ) 0.003 10.981 0.181 (T Fletcher ) 0.034 11.034 -0.016 E1 (B Fowkes ) 0.034 10.857 0.027 (G Antrobius ) 0.204 11.543 0.513 Qualified: #23 10.691 -0.859 #7 10.934 -0.966 |
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If you are afraid of someone taking a dive in drag racing I would suggest taking up golf. As far as his attitude...I'd have one too if someone accused me of being a cheater.
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He didn't beat you for the world title, but he knocked you down from second to third. And how much does second pay? $5000, right? No wonder you're pissed! I'm sure you were planning on using that money to pay for the damage you caused to Don's dragster. :rolleyes: |
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Tear it up in Pomona this week Gilley! |
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I know it wasn't for a championship and thats why no one is talking about it but did anyone else notice at this same event the P/SA car that won 3 rounds running a tenth over index... did she pay off those guys too? Lucky stuff happens thats why we run the races and don't just look at them on paper and pick a winner... the only run the has "weird" written all over it in the final against Lambeck.. I was not there and know very little ahout Lambeck so im not saying anything went down.. I just know that I've seen guys win more rounds than Lamb did under much weirder circumstances and nothing that happen in vegas was bought.. it was all luck..
Like Reinhart always says this sports is a right time right place kind of sport.. Brad Hawk |
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Guys, this thread is going downhill fast. Hopefully for some perspective I'd offer that the whole deal hinged on the Salt Lake Final. I've linked that thread here previously so won't repeat but that 21 point swing made all the difference (coincidentally, it had no impact on who finished 2nd vs 3rd). The manner in which that final was conducted (as commented on by DRC reporter on the scene) brought a lot of scrutiny on how the Vegas race went down. If there was an agreement at Salt Lake the run could have been done a thousand ways to minimize suspicion or the parties in question could have addressed it but for whatever reason they made the run with a "in your face" approach that was unsettling to many, myself included. It's really unfortunate (and wrong) that Gilley and Romero got caught in the back draft of Salt Lake. At the end of the season the Salt Lake final will be remembered by many as "The Run" aka "The Run" by Tony Schumacher in 2006 that beat Doug Kalitta but this run for far different reasons. So all parties can rant and rave but no matter what is said for many many racers there will always be an asterisk on this championship. I wish Lamb had won the Vegas race, it would have at least negated the Salt Lake final and it would have faded away just like so many other runs. But he didn't and this is what we're stuck with. Personally, I wish Lamb and Drew both a huge amount of success in the future. They are both great young drivers with the support of their families so I'm sure they will have many championship runs in the future.
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Very well stated Mr Carter, this thing has turned into east coast vs west coast. Where's Tupac and the Notorious BIG when you need them.
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And in the end it's drag racing's version of the Miss America Pageant.Everybody has their favorite.
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Ed I live in the mid we$t and for me the whole deal is over. Long live the champ.
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Come on guys get your head out of your A!!!!!!!!! This stuff has been going on forever. Grow up and put some Class into Class racing. CLASS RACERS will be around for a long time. MELSF
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Great stuff here guys, real good stuff................
1320 racer may have raised alot of eyebrows but this thread takes the cake ...............................wonderful entertainment !!! Carry on, please. |
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The whole thing is a joke no matter which side your on....
I dislike points systems....period....It always leaves room for "issues" to develop like is being talked about right here... Wanna make it right...... Go back to the old days......Race for the title... One race made up of Division Champions and maybe a couple more positions from each division.... Make it somewhere that is fair for everyone to get to and not in November so weather is not such a big issue...... Winner is the champ and subject to a teardown.... You win your division or are a high finisher......your in the race for the National title......You win that race your the Champ.....Just like the All Star race.....or even the Bracket series race......Division winners race for the National Title.... |
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The secret to a championship is to turn three rounds into one. Racing is assuredly a mystifying sport. It would seem that if a person has run correctly a thousand time, he should be able to duplicate the performance at will but such is certainly not the case in our sport. Maybe Jok is onto something here. Claude Ruel p.s. I'm out
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What goes on in Vegas, STAYS IN VEGAS!
Congrats to the champ. I don't know him but I've commented on here before that Camaro is a bit chin ride! |
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Hey Brad,
http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=50222 Myself, and alot of others that were there, were rooting for her every round !! Gotta love those slow stockers |
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I in no way was saying she didn't deserve to be there, I was in fact saying exactly the opposite.. I loved it! I know exactly where shes at and still wish we could get faster than we are!! it was awesome and just goes to prove when its your turn to win no matter how much "luck" you can build for yourself there is always the person with a horseshoe up their a** whose gonna have a better day... Brad |
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I think I probaly am in the majority when I say the no burnout deal is the biggest deal and raises alot of questions.
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Lambeck's car was hurt
They are friends and consummate racers As a professional courtesy since the race was over Lambeck and he agreed - why race If Lambeck did not show up for final round he would not get runner-up (money) -- ask Ken Etter about that from last week in Las Vegas Not just my HO Ron |
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Congradulations to Justin Lamb for the "NHRA 2013 Stock Eliminator Championship".
I looked at DRC round to round, and as a bracket racer, I've seen far more mistakes made against another racer in a given day. With that said, if you look at what Mr. Lamb did in each round, you'll be able to see that he did his job on the tree against all his opponents that day. He lost to a close breakout race by both racers. In bracket racing the one with the better light usually breaks out the most, he just took a little too much stripe. If there was anything going on not on the up and up, it stands to reason that he would have had late lights along with other people breaking out by 3 thenths against him. Casey Miles 248H "F" NHRA Stock! |
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http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...80681#indextop Does the track get to keep the Runner Up money,or does the Winner then get it? |
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Cliff notes please?
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