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Either way it's still shifting gears and to each their own. Sean |
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Curious as to what the clutch has to do with it, if it remains applied. ??
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You either convert to clutchless internals or crash the crap out of the lugs. The GF5R and LS5000 are nothing more than a Nash with a few upgrades. In my case mine's faceplated , does not have split sliders and as far as I know needs some power "interrupt" at gear changes. I could be wrong............he may be suggesting very low base , playing with c'weight and so on.......but I have no reason to attempt shifting mine clutchless.............I'm that good , really. :D |
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Division One
Wayne Truesdell Joe Mendillo Timmy Abbazia |
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It'll usually go into the next set of lugs to come along. I suppose, if you pull hard enough, it'll come out of the prior gear. I don't know about that T5 deal either. The last one I had wouldn't even shift over 6 grand,with the clutch!...Not until I slick shifted it. Even then I wouldn't want to lean on that rail shift deal, without a clutch. |
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Dirk Ive had several emails and calls saying it won't work, no one will actually show up, arguments already that it needs to be a D1 or D3 track(racers in these divisions think the rest of us don't exist) etc etc. Last time I busted *** for 6 months getting 20+ sponsors over 7k for just one class and I had negative comments about that. Well I say wtf to that. Who else did that much for one class damn I just wanted to help some of my fellow racers out. I still would like to do something maybe if D4 has a real national open(not that 1/8 mile crap like at Ennis) I could round up some sponsors for class eliminations or something. Well see.......
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Hopefully you can count me in for a couple of races in division 6 next year.
Allan |
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Don't forget these long time Division 1 stick shift racers...
Jim Zane Rich Oakes Mike Papp |
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Joe and Mark,
Shifting face plated trans without clutch just requires yanking the crap out of it,once you pull it out of the gear it's in, it falls in the next, My brother ran his Jerico for 5 seasons racing every weekend and shifted it clutchless 4 1/2 of them before he had to replace a slider and ring or 2. As far as clutch goes you can lower pressure when not using clutch to shift. I have shifted a few gears without clutch in a pro shifted trans by accident. As soon as I have a face plated trans I most likely will shift without the clutch. Mike Taylor 3601 |
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Last time I ran my stick shift Dakota, I was invited to the barn to pull the trans so Tech could look at it. No one else in tear down could figure out what I was doing until I rolled out with it and put it on the bench.
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Ed,
It would great to work this out. We as stick racers are a minority. But I believe that given the right venue, we could make this work. Maybe we start slow by doing a S/SS Stick shootouts at Div races to spark interest?To find a location that is for everyone probably will not work just because of logistics but as they said about a spot in a corn field in Iowa "if you build it they will come". I believe that is the same for racers just not in the numbers we would like but we need to start somwhere. Dirk |
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Also all the clutchless trans I have ever seen have to have rod from shifter for every gear,4 speed has 4 rods plus reverse 5 has 5 rods plus reverse. |
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Like Mike said, it won't catch again on the ramps of the previous gear. Been checked at Indy that way, years ago, right at the scales. |
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Ed,
It would be interesting to see how many ACTIVE stick racers there are per division and per races completed in a season. This could be by divisional as not everyone competes at the national level. There seems to be a fair share of stick cars in S/SS at most D5 races that I have attended. How does that stack up with other divisions? Car count vs % of stick cars competing would be cool. As for a stick car race, if you are the guy putting forth the effort I would say put it in your backyard and screw anyone that does not understand why it needs to be somewhere else. You cannot and will not please everyone. I would not be a very good promoter!! Those of us in the area I believe would support you if you chose to persue having something. Thanks again Ed Sean To not derail this thread any further. I believe Mike Tailors post on shifting without a clutch nailed it, the T5 I had was not faceplated but every other syncro was removed. I never hurt the internal rail or shift forks. How light the base pressure is makes a difference between clutched vs clutchless shifting and CW will be different as well. |
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Good on remembering Jimmy Bridges #2018, he's in Div.2
Other Div. 2's, Ken Vaughn & Mike Lynch, Might add Div 4's Dick Lux Anyone mention Jimmy Gower? Yup, Larry shook'em up good at INDY '14 |
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You also forgot the Golliday brothers Harry & Larry from Div 1
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I'm Marcus Allen and my car is the SS/D 69 camaro out of Colorado. I have spoken to racers in the past and nhra about doing something like this. My plan was to do it after the western swing at Kearney, Ne. I choose this location due to speaking with Hyatt Racing about stopping there on their way to Brainerd, Mn. My brother Frank and I found about 50 different S/SS racers just in the surrounding states that could attend. At the time the track manager wasn't willing to risk that type of race but has since changed his mind set when we started to bring 20 cars from CO to the track to hold a stick race. Every so often I think about doing something like this but don't see it working, because of a lack of racer interest. You have a list and my two cents is pick a divisional near those who respond back to a message sent to those racers. Have the race after the first time shot Sat with NHRA approval. If they (NHRA) don't think that's fair because of these racers having a competition before everyone else, then try Earlville, IA (if they have another national open in 2016) with the midwest class racers. The folks at midwest class racers were interested in it when Frank brought it to them and at a national open their is plenty of time. My original spot was Topeka, Ks because it was centrally located in the US. But reality is find the most dense populated reference a response to s letter and since your doing the work find a track between them and you. Don't give up and good luck. P.S. payout is only an incentive to a few of the stick racers. Those who truly love stick cars will make the trip if told this is a one time deal. I traveled to Indy 1100 miles one way for a stick race put on by umtr one year. |
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al stienmetz div 5 olds F/S
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So much for no one runs a stick anymore...... |
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Ed,
Excellent post and well put! Dirk |
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Guess I'm one more addition to the Div 3 list.
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Peter Dodge DIV 7 B/S 70 nova . had a 68 b/s camaro went to sweden ??????
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Better add Gary Waldo to the list as he is entered for the Finals in Pomona.
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Danny Byrd? Division 2 or 3?
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Any new stick cars for 2016?
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Add Jimmy Alund to the list A/S Chevy Nova entered for the Winters.
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Ed, I ran out of 7, not 6. Cool List!!!
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