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randy wilson 10-30-2015 11:48 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 486567)
Why do you guys continue to turn every thread on here to a thread about your stupid spec motor class? Go back to your original thread or exchange phone numbers because you two are apparently the only ones that believe its a great idea!

And this effects your e fuel injected automatic breakout bomber how?

HR9121 10-30-2015 11:59 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 486574)
And this effects your e fuel injected automatic breakout bomber how?

It effects me about as much as everyone else here, none! Because it will never happen, I however will just continue racing while y'all play keyboard jockeys in fantasyland.

blkjack 10-31-2015 07:13 AM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LethalRat (Post 484804)
Would a 300" Small Block Chevy with the Dart Buick Heads fit into any Super Stock Class? This is an old comp motor.

now aren't you sorry you asked?

randy wilson 10-31-2015 07:35 AM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blkjack (Post 486578)
now aren't you sorry you asked?

His question was answered very well in the first page or two, as I recall.

Dean Feiock 10-31-2015 03:13 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 486557)
Far too simple and easy to understand. Never happen. It needs to be way more complicated to have anyone take a close look.

That's a rather pompous statement!

The fact is that there are a select few that have been pushing the spec motor class for a VERY long time. Any post they can get their foot in the door, off they go on their rant about how much better a spec motor class would be.

Well here are a couple news flashes for you:
1) All S and SS classes are already spec motor classes. And year after year, the costs go up. WHY you ask? Because people constantly push the envelope. If someone is willing to spend 10K on a set of heads, what does that do to the rest of the field? I'll tell you what it does. It takes them out of contention or it forces them to spend the money to keep up.

2) If you think adding a spec head will solve anything, the only one you are fooling is yourself. The dirt track guys have been working around the spec head issues for years. They know how to port around the runner markings. They also buy pallet loads of heads and flow all of them to pick out the best ones. WHY? Because the spec head rule is just another rule builders and racers must work around. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to spend money to be faster than the next guy. And that forces the next guy to spend money. And then the next guy.... And in the end, everyone is spending more money because of the spec head rule.

3) I don't see how you draw a link between dwindling spectators and the lack of heads up runs. Spectators just don't care about drag racing anymore. There isn't enough drama in it. OH, heck yeah, they will sit at home and scream at the TV watching their favorite episode of street morons. Or sit through the dirt of a roundy round short track race to see who takes out who on turn 4. But they really have no interest in watching two cars race down a safe race track.

4) As for new blood in the sport, that's pretty simple. The cost is a big one. Unless you have a great sponsor OR you own a profitable business, how do you think anyone can enter this sport? And time off to race is probably the next biggest obstacle. Who gets 3-4 weeks vacation a year to spend on racing? How you think a 20 to 35 year old person, with a home, a family, most likely some student loans and car payments.....can spend the money it takes to finance a decent car and go racing for 3-4 weeks a year?

Lastly, did you actually intend to use a comma rather the an apostrophe in your signature? That is to say it should be "don't" instead of "don,t"

HR9121 10-31-2015 04:24 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock (Post 486612)
That's a rather pompous statement!

The fact is that there are a select few that have been pushing the spec motor class for a VERY long time. Any post they can get their foot in the door, off they go on their rant about how much better a spec motor class would be.

Well here are a couple news flashes for you:
1) All S and SS classes are already spec motor classes. And year after year, the costs go up. WHY you ask? Because people constantly push the envelope. If someone is willing to spend 10K on a set of heads, what does that do to the rest of the field? I'll tell you what it does. It takes them out of contention or it forces them to spend the money to keep up.

2) If you think adding a spec head will solve anything, the only one you are fooling is yourself. The dirt track guys have been working around the spec head issues for years. They know how to port around the runner markings. They also buy pallet loads of heads and flow all of them to pick out the best ones. WHY? Because the spec head rule is just another rule builders and racers must work around. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to spend money to be faster than the next guy. And that forces the next guy to spend money. And then the next guy.... And in the end, everyone is spending more money because of the spec head rule.

3) I don't see how you draw a link between dwindling spectators and the lack of heads up runs. Spectators just don't care about drag racing anymore. There isn't enough drama in it. OH, heck yeah, they will sit at home and scream at the TV watching their favorite episode of street morons. Or sit through the dirt of a roundy round short track race to see who takes out who on turn 4. But they really have no interest in watching two cars race down a safe race track.

4) As for new blood in the sport, that's pretty simple. The cost is a big one. Unless you have a great sponsor OR you own a profitable business, how do you think anyone can enter this sport? And time off to race is probably the next biggest obstacle. Who gets 3-4 weeks vacation a year to spend on racing? How you think a 20 to 35 year old person, with a home, a family, most likely some student loans and car payments.....can spend the money it takes to finance a decent car and go racing for 3-4 weeks a year?

Lastly, did you actually intend to use a comma rather the an apostrophe in your signature? That is to say it should be "don't" instead of "don,t"

Yep, this about sums it up. Great post!

randy wilson 10-31-2015 04:26 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock (Post 486612)
That's a rather pompous statement!

The fact is that there are a select few that have been pushing the spec motor class for a VERY long time. Any post they can get their foot in the door, off they go on their rant about how much better a spec motor class would be.

Well here are a couple news flashes for you:
1) All S and SS classes are already spec motor classes. And year after year, the costs go up. WHY you ask? Because people constantly push the envelope. If someone is willing to spend 10K on a set of heads, what does that do to the rest of the field? I'll tell you what it does. It takes them out of contention or it forces them to spend the money to keep up.

2) If you think adding a spec head will solve anything, the only one you are fooling is yourself. The dirt track guys have been working around the spec head issues for years. They know how to port around the runner markings. They also buy pallet loads of heads and flow all of them to pick out the best ones. WHY? Because the spec head rule is just another rule builders and racers must work around. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to spend money to be faster than the next guy. And that forces the next guy to spend money. And then the next guy.... And in the end, everyone is spending more money because of the spec head rule.

3) I don't see how you draw a link between dwindling spectators and the lack of heads up runs. Spectators just don't care about drag racing anymore. There isn't enough drama in it. OH, heck yeah, they will sit at home and scream at the TV watching their favorite episode of street morons. Or sit through the dirt of a roundy round short track race to see who takes out who on turn 4. But they really have no interest in watching two cars race down a safe race track.

4) As for new blood in the sport, that's pretty simple. The cost is a big one. Unless you have a great sponsor OR you own a profitable business, how do you think anyone can enter this sport? And time off to race is probably the next biggest obstacle. Who gets 3-4 weeks vacation a year to spend on racing? How you think a 20 to 35 year old person, with a home, a family, most likely some student loans and car payments.....can spend the money it takes to finance a decent car and go racing for 3-4 weeks a year?

Lastly, did you actually intend to use a comma rather the an apostrophe in your signature? That is to say it should be "don't" instead of "don,t"

Actually I'm illiterate. But that's beside the point. I still don't quite understand how anyone in a current class cares to run down an idea of a class that doesn't exist, and never will exist except possibly locally here at home. And I invite anyone who cares to try it to come to north Missouri and teach those backwards hillbillies a lesson. I'll be there. And any organization that can't bring themselves to send a questionable head to Brodix to be checked out ain't trying to hard. There is no camouflaged porting that fools the maker. Trust me, they've seen it all. And all classes clear to top fuel are spec, so what's it hurt to have one more? Just curious why everyone hates even to talk about it. If you remember NHRA tried to instate a similar dragster class a few years back, and everyone got their panties all bunched up and quashed it. Why do you think they were leaning that way? Just curious.

LethalRat 12-17-2016 01:44 AM

Re: SS Modified
 
In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

blkjack 12-17-2016 12:36 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LethalRat (Post 522571)
In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

How would you expect to run the index with one carb?

Hacksaw 12-17-2016 04:04 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LethalRat (Post 522571)
In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

That is a good question. I was told you can not. Does anybody here know?

Michael Compton 12-17-2016 05:54 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
I know several guys who simply change the designation on their window from BS to CM without changing anything. Weight break is the same only difference is .15 in index.

I can only assume it is legal to run CM with 1 carb.

LethalRat 12-18-2016 10:24 AM

Re: SS Modified
 
To crossover from SS/AS - SS/CS possibly or Comp Super Modified classes. Could probably run close to the index, sure it would be down on power from a dual carb set up.

Don't know if anyone has do that or is legal with with one carb.

Tracy Robbins 12-18-2016 10:38 AM

Re: SS Modified
 
You can definitely run under the index w/ a single carb. I used to run SS/PCA in IHRA, which is a single dominator that would fit in SS/BM at NHRA events and could run a couple tenths under but that's it. There's usually around 30 more hp w/ two carbs but I didn't have $2000 for another intake plus the cost of a set of carbs.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE 12-18-2016 05:11 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
I heard from guys during PRI show the part number rule was thrown out and any head is legal in modified now? I'm sure there's limits like sohc or dohc maybe? Anyone know?

Sorry if I'm missing something. I've been out for a while. Just getting back in with new car. ��


Stacy

71mavlouisville 12-18-2016 06:08 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
The rule was changed to state aftermarket heads allowed, but, they still would have to be NHRA accepted aftermarket head and listed as an accepted head with the part number of the accepted head.

Currently there are none listed.

You will have to go through the acceptance process to have a head accepted.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE 12-18-2016 06:43 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Well if any aftermarket is approved but there's acceptance required then It's just a question of rulebook semantics. Nothing different.

Also do they allow any bore spacing now? I heard sbcs but not bbcs?

Stacy

Jim Caughlin 12-19-2016 12:20 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Compton (Post 522622)
I know several guys who simply change the designation on their window from BS to CM without changing anything. Weight break is the same only difference is .15 in index.

I can only assume it is legal to run CM with 1 carb.

Maybe the rules are interpreted different between divisions but I know for a fact up here in div 6 that at least one car got booted for running a single 4 in Modified, he was told Mod Stock was single 4, Modified was multiple carb only. Div 6 & 7 have been pretty specific that you can't switch between the classes. As the saying goes "your results may vary"...

Hacksaw 12-20-2016 06:59 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LethalRat (Post 522571)
In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

Still waiting for an answer that would satisfy the Tech crew. Somebody?

Chevy55 12-20-2016 07:25 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hacksaw (Post 522802)
Still waiting for an answer that would satisfy the Tech crew. Somebody?

The rule reads "Maximum", so to put your mind at ease you'll probably have to call div. tech.

Billy Nees 12-20-2016 07:26 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
From 2015 Rule Book,"Two NHRA-accepted American-production 4-barrel or three American-production 2-barrel carburetors maximum. Inline 4-barrel carburetor prohibited. Fuel injection prohibited."
It doesn't give a minimum. One 4-barrel is legal.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE 12-20-2016 09:10 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 522805)
From 2015 Rule Book,"Two NHRA-accepted American-production 4-barrel or three American-production 2-barrel carburetors maximum. Inline 4-barrel carburetor prohibited. Fuel injection prohibited."
It doesn't give a minimum. One 4-barrel is legal.

Hahaha well I've seen that statement with a fine and a year suspension more than once! Go ahead if your brave!

Stacy

SSGT Mustang 12-20-2016 09:31 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PONTIAC'S REVENGE (Post 522815)
Hahaha well I've seen that statement with a fine and a year suspension more than once! Go ahead if your brave!

Stacy

Billy's right. And, it's been done many, many times.

SSGT Mustang 12-20-2016 09:34 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 522731)
Maybe the rules are interpreted different between divisions but I know for a fact up here in div 6 that at least one car got booted for running a single 4 in Modified, he was told Mod Stock was single 4, Modified was multiple carb only. Div 6 & 7 have been pretty specific that you can't switch between the classes. As the saying goes "your results may vary"...

Well, you may want to revisit Division 7.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE 12-20-2016 11:10 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 522805)
From 2015 Rule Book,"Two NHRA-accepted American-production 4-barrel or three American-production 2-barrel carburetors maximum. Inline 4-barrel carburetor prohibited. Fuel injection prohibited."
It doesn't give a minimum. One 4-barrel is legal.

Yes I'm sure but I've seen others not so lucky. Depends on your gamble.

Respectfully
Stacy

Billy Nees 12-21-2016 08:32 AM

Re: SS Modified
 
Stacy, the rule says 2 4bbls or 3 2 bbls max. Not only.

Ven302 12-21-2016 01:21 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
I have seen cars run single 4's in the BM/CM classes in division one and three. Asked Jim in IHRA if I could run a single and he said sure! I always call and ask before I leave from the great white north. Specifically when it comes to interpretation!

I have not run across any one of these guys that have been not helpful. Just call your division guy and get it over with, its easy!

Northeast Division (D1) Technical Director: Ryck Campbell
Phone: 315-335-8295, Monday and Thursday 7-9 p.m. (Eastern Time)
Email: rcampbell@nhra.com
Southeast Division (D2) Technical Director: Harry Ferrari
Phone : 757-537-2763 Monday - Friday 9 a.m. - 9 p.m. (Eastern Time)
Email: hferrari@nhra.com
North Central Division (D3) Technical Director: Joe Lease
For technical questions, call 844-468-7631 (844-HOTROD1), See hours at bottom of page
Email: jlease@nhra.com
South Central Division (D4) Technical Director: Jim Anderson
Phone and Fax: 936-499-3065, Monday and Friday 7-9p.m. (Central Time)
Email:*janderson@nhra.com
West Central Division (D5) Technical Director: Bob Blackwell
Phone: 816-795-8055, Monday-Thursday 9a.m.-5p.m., Friday 9a.m.-noon (Central Time) Fax: 816-795-0515, Email: bblackwell@nhra.com
Northwest Division (D6) Technical Director: Dave Schaffel
Phone: 306-374-3685, Monday and Friday 7-9p.m. (Pacific Time)
Fax: 306-477-7707, Email: dschaffel@nhra.com
Pacific Division (D7)Technical Director: Pat Cvengros
Phone: 626-250-2295, Monday-Thursday 8a.m.-5p.m., Friday 8a.m.-noon (Pacific Time) Fax: 626-914-8963, Email: pcvengros@nhra.com


I hope it cut and pasted ok....

Merry Christmas to all our friends!

PONTIAC'S REVENGE 12-21-2016 02:39 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 522822)
Stacy, the rule says 2 4bbls or 3 2 bbls max. Not only.

Yes but I saw a car like that and I asked Travis and Bruce and they said no. Officials usually always have maintained that the rules state what you can run THATS IT. Any thing else is simply unofficial assuming you can and pushing the envelope. They can decide to or through you out. I'd hate to find out after winning a race. Again respectfully it's a gamble.

Stacy






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Ven302 12-21-2016 04:09 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
That's why you should use your phone for your division.
I have tried lots of things, and when questionable I call, or take with me to a race, then ask If I can use it. If your really worried call the National office. JUST call!
If you did call them and they said no, then why would you think that it will change by chewing on it in a forum?

If the answer was "no" don't gamble, get over it. Go find some carburetors.

Have fun, get your stuff together and come play! These classes while challenging are very rewarding.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE 12-21-2016 11:22 PM

Re: SS Modified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ven302 (Post 522844)
That's why you should use your phone for your division.
I have tried lots of things, and when questionable I call, or take with me to a race, then ask If I can use it. If your really worried call the National office. JUST call!
If you did call them and they said no, then why would you think that it will change by chewing on it in a forum?

If the answer was "no" don't gamble, get over it. Go find some carburetors.

Have fun, get your stuff together and come play! These classes while challenging are very rewarding.

Yes! But what if you run out of your division. These guys r trying to bracket race with a single carb dude. Its all about the brackets. ��

Respectfully
Stacy


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